Whitestrake's Mayhem PvE alternative?

Vrienda · February 2022

perfiction wrote: »

It's funny that during pvp event all new rewards drop from pve activities (grinding bossess) yet pve-only players ask for an alternative.

Probably because those bosses are in a PvP zone where you'll have to fight both them and other players. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Chips_Ahoy · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

The power and skill gap between people who actually PvP and people who just want their damn tickets is immense, which essentially results in frustration for the PvErs forced into these zones that are designed against the way they play the game.

In my 5+ years of playing ESO, I have never visited Cyrodiil or Imperial City, not even out of curiosity.

There was nothing I liked until today, I want the Black Drake Clanwrap Style Pages.

And ZOS is not pointing a gun at me nor is he "forcing" me to do anything, I want something from the PVP event, I have to do PVP, what is the drama?

Yes, probably I will die every 5 steps, or I will probably join one of the many PVP groups that there are at the moment and it will be easier.

Do you want tickets? enter a battleground, you will probably lose but what does it matter? what matters are the tickets.

[snip]

[Edited for Baiting]

Jaimeh · February 2022

Conversely, a PvPer could say 'then what of all the overland/dungeon etc events that are overwhelmingly focused on PvE activities'... The game offers a lot of activities, and not everyone can or enjoy doing everything, therefore the events should reflect this variery of activities, and as a result cannot suit everyone every time, and that's fine, imo. No one is forced into anything, and even for the most PvP-averted, it's not a massively difficult task: you might die a bunch of times, doing the Town quest objective, but so can you when joining an inexperienced PUG on a difficult dungeon, but same as in the dungeon, if you want the reward/clear, you'll go through it. Usually in the extra campaigns there's less traffic, but even in the main campaign I was able to go in with a PvE toon and do the quests pretty fast, without hiccups. I think part of the issue stems from reasons having to do with players not like dying to other players (compared to AI for instance), but that's another discussion.

AlnilamE · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Ok but is going to a inn and dancing really that difficult for pvp players? Is that really a hardship for them?

As compared to being insta killed over and over again at a quest objective.

[snip]

ESO has been a PvP game since inception. It's extremely frustrating that so many people try so hard to have PvP removed from the game. ESO is a PvP game too, or at least it has always been advertised as such.

The game would've been better without PvP. Genuinely. We wouldn't have these almost entirely nonsensical factions spoiling the narrative, Cyrodiil would've been as fully realised as it was in the Gold Coast and Blackwood DLC's and these events wouldn't be frustrating gankfests.

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I disagree. And I play mostly PvE and came from the TES games. I had never set foot in an MMO before ESO. PvP adds an experience to the game that you wouldn't have otherwise.

AlnilamE · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

I'm surprised this thread is not closed. It's pretty clear the intentions of his/her topic and responses.

My intentions are exactly as I've outlined them. I wasn't expecting so much of the forum community to be so angry about the idea of more options for obtaining event tickets during events.

We've given you options. I'll be ready when the event starts and will only have to turn in quests if I don't feel like actually doing quests during the event.

Dem_kitkats1 · February 2022

Hentmereb wrote: »

Significant part of the game's main storyline is locked in PvP zones from PvE players. It's a rare PvP player who is that interested about the storyline in Imperial City, at least after they have gotten through it once, but most PvE players just want to experience it once and get the story arc done.

Last event was solely doing daily quests, which is basically the same thing you'll be doing in this event. Getting event tickets rarely has anything to do with the actual storyline. Whether its a PvE or PvP event you're doing the same thing (kill some stuff the npc tells you to, turn in the quest, and you've got your tickets). There isn't any less content to do with storyline in this event than in any others.

Vrienda wrote: »

The tickets being rewarded from what they're rewarded from do nothing to encourage PvP and serve only to punish and frustrate PvE players.

Lol one event that doesn't even last for 2 weeks, and that you can opt out of is not a punishment. As you've said, the methods in achieving these rewards are not even from engaging in PvP play, so what is the difference from other events? You might just die from another human or groups of them, instead of a WB, dragons, enemies in dungeons/trials, etc?

Arbit wrote: »

I hate being forced into getting tickets this way. Cattle for slaughter really in the face of competitive pvpers. Ik they’ve got to feed the pvpers in this game to keep them happy even for a little bit, but at the expense of pvers. I just don’t think it’s fair or right.

I am all for having a pve alternative so we do not need to be cattle for slaughter during this event. Cause that’s all the pvers are during this event really. I need my tickets, and you are forcing me to degrade myself by being used in this fashion for some cheap kills and mild entertainment for some pvper.

As others have mentioned there are ways in which you can avoid PvP combat entirely and get your tickets if you hate it that much. You're just doing dailies to get them as you would in PvE zones anyway and you're not actually forced to engage in any PvP activities (you're just in a PvP zone). Cyrodiil is a very large map, it's pretty easy to avoid people if you want to.

Yes, IC is different in that the zones are smaller, and bosses are out in the open so you will be seen by enemy players, but it's only one extra ticket so you won't miss out on much by avoiding it. Also, everyone in IC is cattle to the slaughter. Even vet PvP players get ganked and die often down there. Again, don't take it personally, PvP and PvE players are all fair game. PvE players are just inexperienced and are using less effective skills and gear so they go down more quickly and easily than experienced PvPers.

Vrienda · February 2022

It's two tickets per day. Not 'one extra'.

Dojohoda · February 2022

Unless your character's build is squishy, there is some safety in numbers. Find a zerg and don't stray from it.

Others have detailed the PVE parts. Also after a few days each of the 3 factions settle on a campaign to basically, take over. Other than gankers, those should be relatively safe as long as your character is a member of the majority faction.

Slot Radiant Magelight on both bars to prevent the stun from stealth attacks.

Dem_kitkats1 · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

It's two tickets per day. Not 'one extra'.

2 tickets from doing dailies in Cyrodiil/BG and an 1 optional from doing an IC daily.

Vrienda · February 2022

Dem_kitkats1 wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

It's two tickets per day. Not 'one extra'.

2 tickets from doing dailies in Cyrodiil/BG and an 1 optional from doing an IC daily.

Ah my mistake, thought it was the other way around. Must be from the IC event.

Amottica · February 2022

Most events are strictly PvE and do not include a PvP alternative. The fact that forces players to do PvE to earn most tickets during a year is a solid reason why there should not be an exemption for PvE players in this event. There is no justification.

I will also point out that it is extremely easy to earn the two daily tickets in Cyrodiil every day doing a PvE quest while greatly minimizing the risk of seeing any PvP. Go into a low pop campaign (Zenimax seems to add campaigns for this event) and go to the questing hub nearest your home bases, pick up a quest and do it and get tickets. Go ahead and do a second quest to have it ready to turn in the next day.

Being this would also be a low pop campaign you can use an alt, leave it in there, and not have to queue for the campaign each time.

It works extremely well. I would suggest doing a little sneaking when in the quest hub and looking around. Some NPCs will turn into enemies if another alliance owns the nearest keep.

Heartrage · February 2022

Strict pvp events and rewards have their place in ESO.

AlnilamE · February 2022

If the Fighter's Guild quests count, I now also have 12 Cyrodiil quests ready to hand in. Easy-peasy.

And the only time I saw an enemy player was when I ran into a fight on purpose so I could death port.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO · February 2022

No you cannot have a pve alternative. The great thing about this event is there is tons of fresh meat to reap for ap. If zos lets you hide on the gold coast that hurts the event for the people its meant for.

Vrienda · February 2022

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

No you cannot have a pve alternative. The great thing about this event is there is tons of fresh meat to reap for ap. If zos lets you hide on the gold coast that hurts the event for the people its meant for.

Yeah the fact that this event is meant for people like that is kinda the problem. It means tons of people have a bad experience for the sake of those who just want easy kills. That's bad design and why I for one will never have an interest in PvP.

Tenthirty2 · February 2022

Not rly into pvp but I'm glad others who are have an event to look forward to

My alternative to WSM will be enjoying NOT grinding during another event lol.
Still feel a bit burned out from the Daedric War TBH.
Plus it will be nice to have more time to try and clear out my chests and bank from all the collected event STUFF >.<

EdmondDontes · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

No you cannot have a pve alternative. The great thing about this event is there is tons of fresh meat to reap for ap. If zos lets you hide on the gold coast that hurts the event for the people its meant for.

Yeah the fact that this event is meant for people like that is kinda the problem. It means tons of people have a bad experience for the sake of those who just want easy kills. That's bad design and why I for one will never have an interest in PvP.

Is it bad design that every single event that awards event tickets doesn't have an option to get them via PvP activities?

Your complaint is this one event you have to go to cyrodiil, but you have no sympathy for all the people who don't want to PvE to get their tickets for essentially every other event ESO offers. You appear to be upset that you are only getting your way 90% of the time.

Blinx · February 2022

as a PVE player who has done prior PVP events, I'm skipping this one, nothing the impressario has on offer interests me, and I'm already at 12/12 event tickets.

The PVP isn't that bad, give it a shot if you want something, the worst part is spawning somewhere else not close to your objective, not actually getting killed

SeaGtGruff · February 2022

Elsonso wrote: »

I generally skip this event. When I don't, I usually stack up on Town quests and then just turn them in during the event. I have been told there is an IC quest that is easy to cheese, but IC is a pain compared to the town quests.

Edit: Cheydinhal is usually easiest.

Yes, IC is a pain if you don't know your way around and haven't become familiar enough with each district to work out the best routes to take for each quest, so it helps to go there when there's no event and spend a bit of time learning the lay of the land.

As far as which town in Cyrodiil is easiest for questing, I think it depends on your alliance.

Cheydinhal is the closest and most convenient for EP, but Chorrol and Weynon Priory are closest and most convenient for DC.

For AD there is Vlastarus, but it has alliance flags (as do Bruma and Cropsford) so it's a target in the Alliance War, with players trying to flip the flags to their alliance so the town will be safer for them (and hopefully accessible via the Transitus Network).

For that reason, it's common to see AD players picking up or turning in quests for Cheydinhal, Chorrol, and Weynon Priory. It's good etiquette to leave players from the other alliances alone if you see them in Cheydinhal, Chorrol, or Weynon Priory, but if they attack you first then they should expect to get attacked back. Cyrodiil is a warzone, so it's best to assume that any enemy players you see in the towns are potentially hostile, but that doesn't mean you should attack them first.

As I mentioned before, the Fighters Guild bounty quests might be safer than the town quests, since your targets are generally out in the middle of nowhere; you might need to pass by areas where there's active AvA fighting, but your actual destinations are usually far enough from any fighting to be safe. The only problem is that there won't be any markers or highlighted circles on your map to show you where your targets can be found, so you'll need to learn what the best locations are for finding Black Daggers, Goblins, Gray Vipers, and Shadowed Path. There are multiple locations for each, and sometimes they coincide with locations for town quests, but you'll need to kill 10 targets for the bounty and some locations have fewer than 10 of them.

SeaGtGruff · February 2022

Vaoh wrote: »

It’s a PvP event. It should strictly be about PvP.

FYI..... there is a PvE component in that the style pages drop from imperial city bosses. Rewards of the Worthy would have have been a more sensible source.

The way you earn tickets is also through PvE as a general rule. I mean, there are daily quests from the alliance bases that are PvP in nature-- killing a certain number of enemy players, capturing a keep, securing a scroll, etc.-- but I suspect that if you count up the number of questgivers and job boards, there are probably more PvE quests than PvP quests.

For PvP players, the increased AP rewards, plus the opportunity to farm TV off of other players, are probably more attractive than the thought of earning event tickets, especially if those tickets are largely useless in the sense that the collectibles being offered for sale require doing a lot of PvE events throughout the rest of the year to buy all the other fragments.

So this event tends to be pretty contentious as far as PvE and PvP players arguing back and forth over it, given that each side generally has different goals that they're hoping to get out of the event.

As a mostly PvE player myself, I actually love this event, and enjoy going to Cyrodiil and the Imperial City outside of the PvP events. My best advice to my fellow PvE players regarding this event is to stop stressing out about PvP and the thought of getting killed by other players. Yes, it's no fun being killed over and over when you're just trying to do a PvE quest, but if you try to look at it as part of the fun then hopefully you'll reach a state of mind where it doesn't bother you anymore and you start to enjoy it. I mean, you can't actually die in this game, not like dying in the single-player games where you must hope that you have a saved game you can reload from so you don't lose all of your progress. You can get wear and tear on your gear, but that's no different than getting killed by mobs and bosses in a dungeon or trial. You can lose half of your TV in IC, but that's half of TV you wouldn't have had in the first place if you'd never gone to IC, so from that perspective it's kind of silly to stress out about it since any TV gained and banked is more TV than you started with.

Vrienda · February 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

No you cannot have a pve alternative. The great thing about this event is there is tons of fresh meat to reap for ap. If zos lets you hide on the gold coast that hurts the event for the people its meant for.

Yeah the fact that this event is meant for people like that is kinda the problem. It means tons of people have a bad experience for the sake of those who just want easy kills. That's bad design and why I for one will never have an interest in PvP.

Is it bad design that every single event that awards event tickets doesn't have an option to get them via PvP activities?

Your complaint is this one event you have to go to cyrodiil, but you have no sympathy for all the people who don't want to PvE to get their tickets for essentially every other event ESO offers. You appear to be upset that you are only getting your way 90% of the time.

Again, you're comparing going to a pvp zone and putting up with ganking with pressing 'e' infront of a castle to juggle swords. It's not like doing the PvE zones is particularly strenuous for PvPers. Unlike PvErs in a zone full of PvP build veterans.

SeaGtGruff · February 2022

blktauna wrote: »

Meiox wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

If we switch pvp on in Summerset and Elsweyr and Blackwood during those events, then sure, I think we have a deal.

9/10 it's PVErs who kill each other in towns. Pvp players are actually playing pvp and don't bother with the towns, unless it's to take it for a spawn point.

You say when a player kills another player in a town they are still doing pve? /s
How have people to play to 'actually playing pvp' ?

Those low lives are generally sad pvers who can't actually do pvp so they choose to target folks that have lesser skills. They rty to feel big and it just makes them look like jerks.

People who actually spend time in pvp have other fish to fry.

I hear this again and again whenever the PvP events come around, but I think it's debatable whether the gankers are PvPers or just PvErs who can't do "real PvP." There are different kinds of PvP and different kinds of PvP builds, just as there are different kinds of PvE and different kinds of PvE builds, so it seems kind of pointless to paint any particular group with a broad brush and say they aren't "real PvPers." Just my opinion.

Parasaurolophus · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

No you cannot have a pve alternative. The great thing about this event is there is tons of fresh meat to reap for ap. If zos lets you hide on the gold coast that hurts the event for the people its meant for.

Yeah the fact that this event is meant for people like that is kinda the problem. It means tons of people have a bad experience for the sake of those who just want easy kills. That's bad design and why I for one will never have an interest in PvP.

Is it bad design that every single event that awards event tickets doesn't have an option to get them via PvP activities?

Your complaint is this one event you have to go to cyrodiil, but you have no sympathy for all the people who don't want to PvE to get their tickets for essentially every other event ESO offers. You appear to be upset that you are only getting your way 90% of the time.

Again, you're comparing going to a pvp zone and putting up with ganking with pressing 'e' infront of a castle to juggle swords. It's not like doing the PvE zones is particularly strenuous for PvPers. Unlike PvErs in a zone full of PvP build veterans.

Two Tickets come from the first Cyrodiil or Battleground repeatable quest you do each day. These can include Bounty Board quests, a Town Daily, the Conquest Board quests, or the daily Battleground quest.

There are a lot of fairly easy quests on the board in the "kill 20 players" type. You can just join any party and do it. [snip] Just do something. You can’t divide the game into different types of activities so much, it divides the community very much. In addition, the tasks are quite trivial. Just like pvp players don't need to complete veteran content for tickets, pve players don't need to kill 100 heavywardens. Events offer you to try different types of activities and content.

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amapola76 · February 2022

Look, I kind of hate this event, too. But I'll be spending the next few days stacking up town dailies and maybe even a few of the IC dailies, so that I don't have to do anything during the actual event except turn them in. (Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm still carrying 5 or 10 completed dailies across various alts from the last time we had this event, because I didn't have time to turn them in, and I knew it would roll back around soon enough.)

It does help that I don't care about the skin, so I'm basically just going to turn in quests until I'm fully stocked back up to 12 tickets and have an extra set of the base fragments. Even if I only do town dailies, that should take me less than a week, as I started the year with tickets, and maxed out the last event.

The key to these events is to think holistically and remember that things are cyclical. Don't just think about the next event or the next quarter, think about next year. Even if you are a completionist, if you plan ahead you can usually skip the events you hate and miss a few things due to unexpected life situations, and still make it work.

Korinth · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

I'm not saying to remove the PvP aspect people. [snip] You can still gank people in your zones all you want, so long as those people actually want to be there.

Agreed....

During PvP events they really need to offer PvE'ers an option. I dont like PvP in ESO, never liked it, and hate being forced to do it.

Plus it feels like we had at least 2-3 PvP events last year...and now another.... really?

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Korinth · February 2022

Indigogo wrote: »

Sure. As long as we get a pvp alternative way to get tickets in every other event. Sounds great.

Exactly.... They should offer a PvP event in Cyro/IC along WITH every PvE event. You know...Play the way you want (as ZoS used to say).

amapola76 · February 2022

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

blktauna wrote: »

Meiox wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

If we switch pvp on in Summerset and Elsweyr and Blackwood during those events, then sure, I think we have a deal.

9/10 it's PVErs who kill each other in towns. Pvp players are actually playing pvp and don't bother with the towns, unless it's to take it for a spawn point.

You say when a player kills another player in a town they are still doing pve? /s
How have people to play to 'actually playing pvp' ?

Those low lives are generally sad pvers who can't actually do pvp so they choose to target folks that have lesser skills. They rty to feel big and it just makes them look like jerks.

People who actually spend time in pvp have other fish to fry.

I hear this again and again whenever the PvP events come around, but I think it's debatable whether the gankers are PvPers or just PvErs who can't do "real PvP." There are different kinds of PvP and different kinds of PvP builds, just as there are different kinds of PvE and different kinds of PvE builds, so it seems kind of pointless to paint any particular group with a broad brush and say they aren't "real PvPers." Just my opinion.

I agree with this, and would also add: it doesn't really matter whether it's PVPers or PVErs. I mean, it's a pretty meaningless distinction: I don't care about some arbitrary designation someone gives themselves or how they view themselves; I care about what my experience is when I'm in that situation. If I'm playing an aspect of the game and I'm miserable while I'm doing it, then it's not like saying, "oh, no, it's actually this group of people who are responsible for your misery, not that other group," is suddenly going to make me enjoy the experience.

Sylvermynx · February 2022

Does anyone really need to do the pvp events for tickets? There's tons of tickets available through the year - so getting some from pvp events when you hate pvp surely can't be that huge a problem.

I gave up pvp after quitting RIFT (I pvp'd in both WoW and RIFT, but y'know it wasn't ever fun so I'm just never doing it again). I got 4 characters master angler, and never had a problem in Cyrodiil (which is a HUGE empty area with almost nothing interesting) with op fac - no one killed me and I was working on 4 more but now with the whole account wide achieves why should I bother?

I have never needed all the pvp tickets in 3.5 years (or however many years we've had events now). And y'know what? If it looked like I "needed" the pvp tickets, I'd just shrug and bag it. Someday this game will go bye-bye, and all the money I've spent will be classed as "fun I had back when".

Pvp is NOT my thing. But it's good that pvp has some events to itself. Though I do abhor the attitude of "easy AP off stupid pve scrubs" that seems to be endemic.

CP5 · February 2022

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The thing I dislike mostly about PvP event is how much desperate ZOS is to populate badly designed zone that is Imperial City. There is a reason why this zone is dead empty 24/7 and even during events it usually ends up with each faction "maining" different IC campaigns...

IC is the only zone in the entire game that gets this much attention when it comes to event tickets (1 zone, but 2 events per year).

I used to love PvP in this game. Cyrodiil used to be awesome. Right now it is plagued with lag & server performance issues & I doubt it will get any better during this event.

But even as a PvP-er - I absolutely hate IC. It is not a fun place at all. It is basically narrow & confined space that promotes only ball groups & group ganking. Ideal place for um.. "Griefers" as it pretty much promotes & rewards it and thus it attracts people that find joy in it.

I went through IC earlier to get quest done, decided to stop after the first just because of how tedious it was. But the whole time I was thinking about how dead the place was and all the different reasons why. Pvp players can't engage in continuous brawls since you need to sit through a load screen from your base to the district the fight was in every time you die, pve players have big targets painted on their backs for gankers to go after, and every time the thought came around that this place was so perfectly designed to give as many types of players good reasons to not come back. It's actually kind of impressive.

EdmondDontes · February 2022

The irony is the OP isn't complaining about having to PvP. They are complaining about having to go to a PvP zone to do their PvE activities. The complaint isn't even that they have to PvP, it's that the even have to be in the zone at all, even though they will be doing PvE activities while in that zone.