Whitestrake's Mayhem PvE alternative?

AcadianPaladin · February 2022

As a solo PvE'er, the draw of this event is transmute gems. Normally, I solo one pledge a day to earn one gema day. Slow but adequate. I like Midyear Mayhem because the double AP means lots of reward for the worthy coffers. The first one I open a day is guaranteed to have a transmute crystal in it and it is not hard to earn lots of them with the double AP. Typically, I'm still opening one coffer a day for weeks after the event is over and net loads of transmute gems.

Since I already have a dragonmorpho pet, all three frags for another, 8/12 tix and no interest in the current morph for some sort of skins, I'm not worried about the tix beyond grabbing some more group repair kits. Lol.

Bat · February 2022

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

You understand there is no comparison between PVP and PVE events. People aren't farmed by other people while completing a delve daily for tickets. It's disingenuous to suggest there's anything comparable between these two event types or that PVPers are in any way disenfranchised during PVE type events like PVEers are during PVP type events. So maybe that should be acknowledged.

Katheriah · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

[snip]

Just let us have this ONE EVENT THAT'S ABOUT PVP.

Please

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Agenericname · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Dude. Pve players have, what, 5+ events a year [snip]

[snip] Join a group, learn a thing or two about pvp and you can handle yourself ina pvp for a couple weeks.

It's twice a year. And then there's the imperial city one separately. Stop pretending PvPers are so hard done by. Ask ZOS for PvP servers if you want to gank people so much in the PvE events.

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ZOS added a PvE option for the IC event, which was nice since the dungeons are part of the DLC. So yes, techically PvPers have both, but as a PvEer you only need to PvP for one of those.

No, do not make PvP servers. I like doing both on my characters.

Vrienda · February 2022

Minnesinger wrote: »

Ok yet the event is actually very popular among pvpers and pvers. Just check the populations and added campaigns.

That's because of the rewards and no other reason lol

Vrienda · February 2022

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Dude. Pve players have, what, 5+ events a year [snip]

[snip] Join a group, learn a thing or two about pvp and you can handle yourself ina pvp for a couple weeks.

It's twice a year. And then there's the imperial city one separately. Stop pretending PvPers are so hard done by. Ask ZOS for PvP servers if you want to gank people so much in the PvE events.

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Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

Three events.

And probably because this is a PvE game. Again if you feel so hard done by go ask for PvP servers, then every event is a PvP one. God knows I want a RP-PvE server myself.

Vrienda · February 2022

Katheriah wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

[snip]

Just let us have this ONE EVENT THAT'S ABOUT PVP.

Please

Again, you have THREE events per year. Two mayhem, one Imperial City.

Whats funny is once the event actually begins you'll all be complaining about performance.

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EdmondDontes · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Dude. Pve players have, what, 5+ events a year [snip]

[snip] Join a group, learn a thing or two about pvp and you can handle yourself ina pvp for a couple weeks.

It's twice a year. And then there's the imperial city one separately. Stop pretending PvPers are so hard done by. Ask ZOS for PvP servers if you want to gank people so much in the PvE events.

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Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

Three events.

And probably because this is a PvE game. Again if you feel so hard done by go ask for PvP servers, then every event is a PvP one. God knows I want a RP-PvE server myself.

We have been screaming for new PvP servers for over 5 years now. ZOS doesn't listen to their customers.

Please stop with your PvE vs. PvP division. There are essentially no PvP only events, not even this one. You can still do PvE activities to get your tickets. It's not a hardship to have to go to Cyrodiil or Imperial City.

BlueRaven · February 2022

Ok but is going to a inn and dancing really that difficult for pvp players? Is that really a hardship for them?

As compared to being insta killed over and over again at a quest objective.

[snip]
[edited for baiting]

belial5221_ESO · February 2022

PVP event is still a PVE event,just in a PVP area.You don't get tickets for killing others,and taking keeps,or becoming emperor.You do it by killing bosses,or doing PVE quests,which is no different than any other event,so don't complain about being forced into PVE events.

If you want it to be easier,make sure to have 3 chars,one for each alliance,and login on the one with fuller map in your home campaign.DC Bruma or Chorrol is usually best to do quests,EP usually Cheydinhal or Cropsford,and Vlastrus or Cropsford for AD.

In IC sewer area,just go up ladder to arena,stay on top of tower,and kill the dremora to release prisoners with long range weapons til you get 12,which takes a little longer than going on ground,then hop back down ladder to turn in.

EdmondDontes · February 2022

BlueRaven wrote: »

Ok but is going to a inn and dancing really that difficult for pvp players? Is that really a hardship for them?

As compared to being insta killed over and over again at a quest objective.

[snip]

ESO has been a PvP game since inception. It's extremely frustrating that so many people try so hard to have PvP removed from the game. ESO is a PvP game too, or at least it has always been advertised as such.

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Indigogo · February 2022

Excellent. So we've gone from a standard pvp event post, to one where we're just intolerant of anyone who is neurally diverse from ourselves.

Mods, probably time to nip this one in the bud.

Katheriah · February 2022

BlueRaven wrote: »

As compared to being insta killed over and over again at a quest objective.

You can literally make an almost unkillable tank if you have a bit of knowledge about the classes and sets. Holding block is not difficult either.

Vrienda · February 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Ok but is going to a inn and dancing really that difficult for pvp players? Is that really a hardship for them?

As compared to being insta killed over and over again at a quest objective.

[snip]

ESO has been a PvP game since inception. It's extremely frustrating that so many people try so hard to have PvP removed from the game. ESO is a PvP game too, or at least it has always been advertised as such.

The game would've been better without PvP. Genuinely. We wouldn't have these almost entirely nonsensical factions spoiling the narrative, Cyrodiil would've been as fully realised as it was in the Gold Coast and Blackwood DLC's and these events wouldn't be frustrating gankfests.

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Parasaurolophus · February 2022

Because of these opinions, the eso community is very divided. I have not yet seen a single game where pve and pvp are actually two completely different games in one.
OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

Katheriah · February 2022

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

That explains a lot. Maybe add a 'storymode' difficulty too, with full rewards ofc.

colossalvoids · February 2022

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

Well that explains all this bizarre conversations above, thanks.

Vrienda · February 2022

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

Because of these opinions, the eso community is very divided. I have not yet seen a single game where pve and pvp are actually two completely different games in one.
OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

Cute, you completely missed the point I made in that thread too. Issue wasn't with the difficulty so much as the fact that I had to rely on other people for it. People who, at least on EU servers, can't always understand English (Which is fine, the issue is we're all crammed on one server because megaservers are the single greatest War Crime ever committed against MMO's).

Vrienda · February 2022

Katheriah wrote: »

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

That explains a lot. Maybe add a 'storymode' difficulty too, with full rewards ofc.

Actually I'd happily partake in a hard mode version of the overworld if the option was there. At least to give it a shot. Rewards or no.

I wouldn't touch PvP mode with a barge pole though, same as I don't in WoW.

Katheriah · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

Because of these opinions, the eso community is very divided. I have not yet seen a single game where pve and pvp are actually two completely different games in one.
OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

Cute, you completely missed the point I made in that thread too. Issue wasn't with the difficulty so much as the fact that I had to rely on other people for it. People who, at least on EU servers, can't always understand English (Which is fine, the issue is we're all crammed on one server because megaservers are the single greatest War Crime ever committed against MMO's).

Both issues (not being able to get PvP tickets and not being able to finish DLC dungeons) are to be fixed with the same solution. It's an MMO: get some friends, group up, do it together, job done.

TequilaFire · February 2022

Meiox wrote: »

Indigogo wrote: »

Sure. As long as we get a pvp alternative way to get tickets in every other event. Sounds great.

For the PVE events just pretend that every NPC is a PVE-player in cyrodiil, both need the same skill to kill ;-)
Don't you just like the PVP events for the easy kills of PVE-players doing the event quests ?

Conversely just thinking as players as npcs with a challenge for a change works even better.

Vrienda · February 2022

Katheriah wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

Because of these opinions, the eso community is very divided. I have not yet seen a single game where pve and pvp are actually two completely different games in one.
OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

Cute, you completely missed the point I made in that thread too. Issue wasn't with the difficulty so much as the fact that I had to rely on other people for it. People who, at least on EU servers, can't always understand English (Which is fine, the issue is we're all crammed on one server because megaservers are the single greatest War Crime ever committed against MMO's).

Both issues (not being able to get PvP tickets and not being able to finish DLC dungeons) are to be fixed with the same solution. It's an MMO: get some friends, group up, do it together, job done.

In a game with no servers that does nothing to foster such communities.

Finding people who can play at the same time as me. With my wackjob schedule. Every day.

Or maybe ZOS could give us actual servers and stop forcing PvErs into PvP content. [snip]

[edited for minor bait]

And to add one more thing. I've seen, and been in, entire zergs wiped out by a single PvPer. The builds in this game are INSANE with their killing power. Friends won't save me.

And honestly? ESO is not an MMO. It's not designed that way and honestly few "MMOs" are these days.

Katheriah · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

Friends won't save me.

Don't be squishy. Don't stand in stupid. Don't stack with your friends. Block. Read the death recaps.

I can't run into a dungeon with my PvP set-up and mindset. Which is something I am required to do to get tickets in other events. Don't run into a PvP zone with your PvE set-up and mindset.

It's literally two quests a day. You'll live.

Wolfpaw · February 2022

I'm surprised this thread is not closed. It's pretty clear the intentions of his/her topic and responses.

Vrienda · February 2022

Wolfpaw wrote: »

I'm surprised this thread is not closed. It's pretty clear the intentions of his/her topic and responses.

My intentions are exactly as I've outlined them. I wasn't expecting so much of the forum community to be so angry about the idea of more options for obtaining event tickets during events.

Kartalin · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

And to add one more thing. I've seen, and been in, entire zergs wiped out by a single PvPer. The builds in this game are INSANE with their killing power. Friends won't save me.

In Ravenwatch those builds basically don't exist. If you get really lucky maybe you can take out up to six people like that, but being a no proc campaign prevents most of the BS that goes on in the other campaigns and IC. No Dark Convergence, no Plaguebreak, no Vicious Death. You can build tanky, and while you still might get beat 1 v 1 or outnumbered, or ganked by a nightblade, the ruleset heavily favors defensive sets.

Throw on Pariah, Buffer of the Swift, Gaze of Sithis, and whatever 1 piece monster item or trainee piece you want, be a stage 3 vampire for the undeath passive, run magicka cost reduction glyphs, and just mist form around until you need to talk to a quest giver. And if someone is griefing at the quest giver, mention it in zone, start a posse.

Wolfkeks · February 2022

Hey there!

First of I wanted to say, I like PvP. The first MYM is actually what made me become a PvPer. I wasn't the biggest fan of it in the beginning and I thought it would be horrible but when a friend asked for some help with their emp achievement we helped them get it... it was so much fun. This made me stay and I made some amazing friends there.

But it is also okay not to like it. That is also totally okay and valid.

There is a good guide from @marius_buys from last year that also gives some good tips regarding gankers:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/469488/golden-clover-midyear-mayhem-guide-updated-7-january-2021/p1
(Most PvPers don't hang out in towns to wait for someone to turn up so we can gank them, we're not getting a lot of AP from it. But as stated in the guide, tell your alliance that there is a ganker there and someone will turn up and get them.)

Another good guide is from @VaranisArano concerning IC:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584661/imperial-city-101-for-non-pvpers-an-event-guide
Really helpful if you wanna do quests that does not involve fighting other players.

My tip if you don't wanna participate in PvP:
-> Do the dailies before the event starts. Look for the campaigns your alliance controls atm. Normally one alliance controls a big chunk of the map in the morning and not a lot of people are online. If you have a bit of time in the morning I would recommend doing some town quests or scouting quests to prepare. Same goes with IC.

If you decide to give it a shoot I can recommend looking at known PvPers website, there are already some beginner guides for MYM and some good builds.

Anyways, I hope this helps you (and other PvE peeps) with your event tickets and I hope you will still have fun during the event.

Best wishes!

EdmondDontes · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

Because of these opinions, the eso community is very divided. I have not yet seen a single game where pve and pvp are actually two completely different games in one.
OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

Cute, you completely missed the point I made in that thread too. Issue wasn't with the difficulty so much as the fact that I had to rely on other people for it. People who, at least on EU servers, can't always understand English (Which is fine, the issue is we're all crammed on one server because megaservers are the single greatest War Crime ever committed against MMO's).

Your point was that you don't want to go to a PvP zone and you think ESO would be better with no PvP activities. We just know it's not a valid point given ESO is also a PvP game.....or was in the beginning at least.

N00BxV1 · February 2022

As a PVE main, I have no issue with the PVP events because those players deserve their fun too. And if I don't feel like doing something then I just don't do it, I've definitely skipped plenty of PVE events because most of the fetch quests isn't fun to me. Also a certain highly anticipated game is coming out in a couple of weeks, so I'll probably just be playing similar games to prepare for that instead of dealing with all of the performance problems that plagues ESO.

But I think a lot of the problem is that the transition from PVE to PVP is harder and requires more work than it does from PVP to PVE. Those PVE builds and play-styles do not work well or at all in PVP and PVE'ers have to change a lot more just to "fit in", but on the other hand PVP'ers can get by just fine in PVE without changing hardly anything. I see plenty of players with PVP builds running PVE events, pledges etc. spamming gap-closers, dizzy-swing, stunning every single mob so they can't be CC'd by the tank, and jumping around like the floor is made of lava or something. It's annoying sometimes but PVE'ers just put up with it. At least I've put in the time and effort to make an actual PVP build completely separate from my usual PVE build just so that I can squeeze by if I feel like doing anything PVP related.

Vaoh · February 2022

It’s a PvP event. It should strictly be about PvP.

FYI..... there is a PvE component in that the style pages drop from imperial city bosses. Rewards of the Worthy would have have been a more sensible source.