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POLL: Accountwide Achievements and Titles DONE RIGHT - would you like them this way ?

Oliviander
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When I first read about accountwide titles and achievemements I was shocked thet they are going to strip me of all my characters Infos of nearly 8 Years of gaming.
In the meantime there is a huge discussion going on on this topic and I read many many posts and ideas which i no will try put in the following draft:

ACHIEVEMENTS:

Make 2 seperate tabs for achievements

First tab
Character Achievements
Keep everything in this tab the same as it is now.
Meaning only actions of the logged in character should work against the goal of each achievement in this tab.
Character benefits from achievemnts should depend solely on entries in this tab.

Second tab
Account achievements
This tab should include the same list of achievements like the first tab.
You should be able to work incremental with all your characters to gain the achievement in this tab.
Meaning you can collect the monster trophies with different characters to get the achievement
and maybe even add up all your Alliancepoints earned by all of your characters to gain the "Grand Overlord" title.
In that way you might get achievements you didn't have by now, just by logging through your characters.
Obviously it won't make any sense to track the character, that first fulfilled such an achievement
because it hasn't done it alone. So just the time when the achievement was earned, should be tracked.
This way no problem exists, if a character is deleted in the future.
And for the first fill use the oldest date of an achievement that any of the characters has, if applicable.
You should then get the title as soon as you get the achievement in this second tab and
it should be usable by all your characters. But no other benefits should come from an accountwide achievement,
except maybe the dye colors.


TITLES:

You should be able to use the title as soon as you got the achievement as an Account achievement.
But there should be an Indication if you got this achievement on a character too.
I would suggest the Following:

Master Angler You have caught all the fish, but on different characters
Master Angler (1) You have caught all the fish, and any 1 character has done it all for itself, but not the one logged in
Master Angler (1) * You have caught all the fish, and this character has done it all for itself
Master Angler (5) You have caught all the fish, and 5 characters have done it all for themselves, but not the one logged in
Master Angler (12) * You have caught all the fish, and 12 characters have done it all for themselves, including this one

This shown number should in my opinion only include your existing characters and not your deleted ones.
Meaning at this time the maximum would be 18 and if you delete a character with an earned acchievement the number shown
should decrease.


PERSONAL THOUGHTS:
I know that an implementation of accountwide achievements in this way would bring more code and more data,
than the one on the PTS. But for me it would be such a huge QoL improvement, that I gladly would accept it as
the single main feature of the next Chapter (who needs a card game or even companions ?).
On the other hand I really would prefer the status Quo than the implementation of the loss of character info.
After nearly 8 years of tracking the individual development of my characters, I would really be frustrated by that.






Edited by Oliviander on February 2, 2022 10:07PM

POLL: Accountwide Achievements and Titles DONE RIGHT - would you like them this way ? 50 votes

Yes I would like it this way
36%
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No I would't like it (please tell your reasons )
64%
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  • whitecrow
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    If they had separate achievement sections for the account and for each character, that would be okay. But I don't want the titles to be global at all.
  • kargen27
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    No I would't like it (please tell your reasons )
    "You should be able to work incremental with all your characters to gain the achievement in this tab.
    Meaning you can collect the monster trophies with different characters to get the achievement"

    Achievements should be accomplished by one character. I still don't like the idea of account wide achievements but since it is happening I will offer a counter proposal.

    An achievement should be earned by a single character. Once earned the achievement and title become account wide with the option to keep them character specific. That way those of us who wish to do so can gain accomplishments on mutiple characters.
    To differentiate a title earned by a character or one that was shared by another character we use a color code. If the character earned the title the title will appear in gold and if it was shared the text will instead be blue. I'm guessing it would take ten minutes for someone to create an add-on to allow changing that color but hey at least there is an attempt to differentiate between account wide and character earned titles.
    I was thinking titles like "Master Fisherman" and "I know a Master Fisherman" but that was probably me just being snide.

    Mostly I just want to be able to keep all my characters separate. What other players do doesn't affect me so though I have opinions on account wide achievements they won't change the game for me if I don't have to participate.
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
  • Amottica
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    No I would't like it (please tell your reasons )
    Absolutely not. It sounds like a very cluttered design.

    A more reasonable method is two tabs (can be done with a drop-down). One shows the account-wide achievement and the other shows the achievements only for that account. For character achievements people want to see a list for that character, not having to go through lists of characters to see what that character has done.

    For OP's suggestion, there is no need for a drop-down or second tab as Zenimax can merely list all the characters that have obtained each achievement in the current PTS design. But the issue is it is still very cluttered.
  • BahometZ
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    No I would't like it (please tell your reasons )
    I don't mind what they do about achievements in the end, but I really don't like titles being global. Feels cheap.
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  • Kiralyn2000
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    No I would't like it (please tell your reasons )
    While I do want to keep achievements separate for characters, your method seems overly complex.
  • tmbrinks
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    This is what is needed (if they want to tie the titles/furnishings to the global, fine). But please let me track each character still.
    The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer
    The Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger
    69,420 achievement points
  • Araneae6537
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    Yes I would like it this way
    I generally like your system but the modifications to titles is needlessly complex clutter IMHO.
  • tinythinker
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    Yes I would like it this way
    Partially yes, partially no, but I voted yes to the basic idea of having a toggle between individual character achievements vs. account-wide so that:

    1. People can track progress on individual characters if they want, and don't have to if they don't want
    2. We can still get achievement pops

    That's all I really care about. Simple and allows people to do achievements by whichever perspective they prefer.
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  • Weper
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    No I would't like it (please tell your reasons )
    Just make everything account-wide. No need to overcomplicate it.
  • shadyjane62
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    It all seems so complicated now. The one thing that would have mattered was the motifs. And since titles are now going to be generic I will go with my pvp title of Prefect. I believe it is exempt from new rules.
  • Kitziboo
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    No I would't like it (please tell your reasons )
    I’d prefer that all achievements and titles remain for each character and not change to account wide. I don’t mind repeating them on my 19 characters if their story requires it but some characters will never do DB or TG. It also helps me see what zones they have completed a lot quicker than checking on the map.
  • spartaxoxo
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    Yes I would like it this way
    Partially yes, partially no, but I voted yes to the basic idea of having a toggle between individual character achievements vs. account-wide so that:

    1. People can track progress on individual characters if they want, and don't have to if they don't want
    2. We can still get achievement pops

    That's all I really care about. Simple and allows people to do achievements by whichever perspective they prefer.

    Same.
  • ZeroDPS
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    No I would't like it (please tell your reasons )
    whitecrow wrote: »
    If they had separate achievement sections for the account and for each character, that would be okay. But I don't want the titles to be global at all.

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