OP contains so many mistakes and/or misconceptions i dont know how i should argue with it.

e.g.:

So guess what? The game is forcing me to put medium or light armor on which gives me useless stats like magika that I never use.

Light Armor can give you any stat, including health.
It can add to your survivability with skills.

Also, you need stats besides armor and health for survivability.

So you don't need magicka? You do know your class abilitys use magicka correct?

I wear greens and have been putting points into health for awhile now instead of majicka, but I am still overcharged for majicka due to foods eaten and majicka on my heavy armor. pffft but i dont believe they should remove the overcharge

So because u dont like something means it should be changed, get over yourself, as others have pointed out soft caps/diminishing returns are in almost every mmo thats nothing new. Is it really reached if you wear flat 7 piece blue heavy armor?

I find that hard to believe, but maybe I am wrong. Have you tried messing with traits and enchantments so they dont all or some contribute to improving armor?

Auric_ESO wrote: »

so: enough thread derailment.

What are the good points to a softcap?

What are the bad?

There's only one reason caps exist .. to make the developers' job easier.

Caps allow them to design fights knowing that no one can do more than 'X' DPS or has no more than 'Y' defense.

Actually, caps are needed to try to deal with the QQing over 'balance' when it comes to PVE content especially, some people find content too hard while others deride them and say its loleasy .. without caps that imbalance becomes even wider.

rotatorkuf wrote: »

the problem with overcharge imo, is the fact that with gear alone you can reach the softcap.....

but for some reason, (zenimax trolling us), there are A LOT OF armor/resist buffing abilities in the game...

overcharge almost renders them useless, so yes, i think there was a bit of oversight on this mechanic by zenimax

I am not VR10 yet, nor trolling.
Are you telling me you are able to cap all three regen, all three stats, every resistance, critical chance, armor etc. at once
With gear alone? Where do you get that gear?

Or is it, you cannot specialise in the stat that is the best (for you) with no limits?

reagen_lionel wrote: »

I dont mind the overcharge persay, I just feel the cap for it is just set too low. I'm so easily overcharged on things without even trying to be. At least while leveling. The caps are set a bit higher in veteran ranks.

otherwise, its hard to make a character specilize in anything, because the game is forcing them to balance and put things into other places they do not want. Essentially trying to make everyone into some semblance of a jack of all trades character.

This is how that game was designed. You will have to live with that. The soft caps are too low when you can outmax every each stat beyond overcharge limit at VR12. That is not the case afaic.

After all these games with diminishing returns on armor and mitigation, people still dont understand the concept of a hard vs soft cap and that stacking additional armor helps more than you think...

Example:
Say every 100 point of armor give 2% damage reduction.
At 1000 armor you would mitigate 20% damage. 20% less damage taken.
A swing of 100 dmg becomes 80 dmg.

Gain 1000 armor, now you should have 2000 armor but you are overcapped so instead you now have 1800 armor, or 36% mitigation.
A swing of 100 damage becomes 64.

How much less damage did you take? 80-64 = 16. 16/80 = 0.2
20% less damage taken.

Gain another 1000 armor.
Instead of 3000 armor, you have 2400 now, yielding 48% mitigation.
A swing of 100 now becomes 52. 64-52 = 12. 12/64 = 18.75%

So even if you lost 600 armor buffing your armor way past the softcap you still gain an almost linear amount of damage reduction. No softcap would mean stacking armor and armor buffs would be the only viable option for anyone due to the way mathematics work. There is an intelligent system in place for a good reason. Keep stacking your armor, it helps a lot more than you think.

All my numbers are taken out of thin air and only meant to make a point. Armor likely caps a lot harder than in my example.

tl;dr: Stacking armor still reduces damage taken even if damage mitigation caps, thats mathematics

CrashBlack wrote: »

After all these games with diminishing returns on armor and mitigation, people still dont understand the concept of a hard vs soft cap and that stacking additional armor helps more than you think...

Example:
Say every 100 point of armor give 2% damage reduction.
At 1000 armor you would mitigate 20% damage. 20% less damage taken.
A swing of 100 dmg becomes 80 dmg.

Gain 1000 armor, now you should have 2000 armor but you are overcapped so instead you now have 1800 armor, or 36% mitigation.
A swing of 100 damage becomes 64.

How much less damage did you take? 80-64 = 16. 16/80 = 0.2
20% less damage taken.

Gain another 1000 armor.
Instead of 3000 armor, you have 2400 now, yielding 48% mitigation.
A swing of 100 now becomes 52. 64-52 = 12. 12/64 = 18.75%

So even if you lost 600 armor buffing your armor way past the softcap you still gain an almost linear amount of damage reduction. No softcap would mean stacking armor and armor buffs would be the only viable option for anyone due to the way mathematics work. There is an intelligent system in place for a good reason. Keep stacking your armor, it helps a lot more than you think.

All my numbers are taken out of thin air and only meant to make a point. Armor likely caps a lot harder than in my example.

tl;dr: Stacking armor still reduces damage taken even if damage mitigation caps, thats mathematics

the numbers on this are all kinds of wrong though, the DR curve is stronger than what you imply here

tamrielfoundry.com to get enlightened

Still trying to wrap my head around this... so are you saying if I break the soft cap I still get minimal benefit BEYOND what my level already allows? For example...
Armor : 100/ 90 (I pass the cap by 10pts)
Do I still receive the full benefit of the 90 armor?
Plus a percentage of the additional 10pts?
If yes, then I can live with that no problem.

Also, I understand that leveling that stat runs slower when capped any idea how that works out?

I understand your point OP.

But to be honest, even when a stat is overcharged I still find it useful to put stats into it. I do this a lot with my magicka stat for example.

So I don't really think it prevents you from building your character as you wish. It's just a failsafe mechanism to keep characters from becoming over-powered in a single attribute.

Soft caps are incredibly low. Attributes have almost no impact on character development. Try by yourself: use a respec and keep them at 0. Using your active skills, you'll still be able to play as you used to without any real difference.

Anyway, if you absolutely feel that you need to cap the 3 attributes, just eat a potato. Done.

Once again I have no problem with overcharge. I just think the barrier is just set too low through the levels.

The overcharge system is cool in that it gives me a target cap that I can tweak my play for and cap two or three things, instead of a foolhardy just one.