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Ethics of Datamining and releasing the Chapter information the day before the Reveal
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, Bethesda also managed to leak the name of the new Chapter on Twitter, so I can't be too annoyed to have that spoiled.7 -
Odovacar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't really care either wayRisenEclipse wrote: »I am looking through old posts and only see one post that has the name of the chapter in its title, and that was only because of ZOS's oops. Unless someone changed their post title before I saw it? Most posts are pretty good about warning about spoilers in the title, and usually the post itself is hidden in spoilers. So people who want to be surprised are still going to be surprised. But considering the big oops that happened, I'm not surprised that everyone is hearing about what the new chapter is. Doesn't help that the dataminers were right on the money with it this time too.
*Edited by Odovacar on January 27, 2022 4:31PM0 -
proprio.meb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I don't really care either wayFor 4. since it was right about High Isle, eso-hub should already have the names0 -
Lintashi✭✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksI really liked that I got to see datamine before it was released. Using hype to boost up your sales with impulse buying is one of the most common tactics in marketing. Today's datamine allowed me to get a good, calm look at what I will see later today, just facts without all shiny dazzling graphics, that will scream to buy them right this instant. Also, if info was not stolen, but found after devs put it there on their own, it is absolutely fine to post it.4 -
Mythgard1967✭✭✭✭✭I don't really care either wayI went with Don't care...mostly because I ride the "If you don't want to know, don't read it" family.
Some people don't like surprises. Some do.
I like surprises and don't look. My parents also used to say "I have hidden all of your christmas presents in this closet so don't open it on accident" and I would never look.
Sadly, my sister hates surprises and she would go look and tell me. So annoying.
So, I guess the moral of the story is...I don't care so long as the subject line of the post doesn't give away the surprise.2 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't really care either wayMolehills, mountains, blah blah blah. /meh
Probably also helps that I don't care much about the official info release, either.
(and it's not like people plastering the internet with "Snape kills Dumbledoor" the day that book came out /eyeroll)0 -
PrimusTiberius✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information and releasing the information the day before the team's Chapter reveal was a cheese moveI fine with people posting new material, but it should have been posted as a spoiler in the title. So many people have to be the "First" to post something. Its like a movie you haven't seen and someone gives away the ending.... it's selfish really.Everyone is going in one direction, I'm going the other direction0 -
PrimusTiberius✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information and releasing the information the day before the team's Chapter reveal was a cheese moveShawnLaRock wrote: »Don’t wanna know? Don’t look at the post.
S.
I'm fine with that, but keep it out of the title of the post and label it spoiler.Everyone is going in one direction, I'm going the other direction0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PrimusTiberius wrote: »I fine with people posting new material, but it should have been posted as a spoiler in the title. So many people have to be the "First" to post something. Its like a movie you haven't seen and someone gives away the ending.... it's selfish really.
The main data mining threads seem to have "Data mining" in the title, so safe to stay out of those to avoid spoilage.
However, there is a grey area here that applies to this reveal. If ZOS or Bethesda spills the beans, even if they retract, it is no longer a spoiler. It is advance information. We cannot know if such things are an accident, or an "accident" (wink wink nudge nudge).
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Vulkunne✭✭✭✭✭
✭Datamining the Chapter information and releasing the information the day before the team's Chapter reveal was a cheese moveI love to see what they're working on but was the data dump a nice thing to do, no.
That's ok though because if they did anything wrong ZOS can fix them.Thank you for your attention to this matter.0 -
PrimusTiberius✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information and releasing the information the day before the team's Chapter reveal was a cheese movePrimusTiberius wrote: »I fine with people posting new material, but it should have been posted as a spoiler in the title. So many people have to be the "First" to post something. Its like a movie you haven't seen and someone gives away the ending.... it's selfish really.
The main data mining threads seem to have "Data mining" in the title, so safe to stay out of those to avoid spoilage.
However, there is a grey area here that applies to this reveal. If ZOS or Bethesda spills the beans, even if they retract, it is no longer a spoiler. It is advance information. We cannot know if such things are an accident, or an "accident" (wink wink nudge nudge).
You must of missed it this morning, there were titles of the chapter's name on several post, clearly written as spoilers on the front page. They were written to get exposure, more than likely to gain up votes, The titles now have either been changed by the poster or by the mods, either way, it's just bad form.
edit:spellingEdited by PrimusTiberius on January 27, 2022 5:08PMEveryone is going in one direction, I'm going the other direction1 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my books
This, it was no reason to add the files to this patch, they could just waited an week,phaneub17_ESO wrote: »They could have not included any of the data into the patch files at all or patched it a day to a week after the reveal, this time they decided to push the patch date from a usual Monday to a Thursday. Even without that, they posted promo pictures of High Isle Merchandise to Twitter for all to see before taking it down.
And the chapter is still 4 months away first we get the dungeons.
This was done to build hype, I say its a bit bland like blackwood.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.4 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksDidn't ZOS twitter accidentally leaked info about upcoming things from the new chapter in a tweet and then deleted it? If you followed and read it you'd be spoiled. In any case, I don't mind people posting about new content, it as long as they are marking it as a spoiler.1 -
CyberOnEso✭✭✭✭✭
✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my books
Gina's word on datamined content I am very grateful that ZOS allows this.That's ok though because if they did anything wrong ZOS can fix them.
I would certainly not like to be in breach of TOS for looking at files that are installed on my own computer, and I am grateful that they allow posting of this information. Why they choose to allow this is for them to know, but I am grateful that they do.
The reason the files were added to the client this morning is because later today the Crown Store will update and show something like this for the upcoming chapter.
This, it was no reason to add the files to this patch, they could just waited an week,phaneub17_ESO wrote: »They could have not included any of the data into the patch files at all or patched it a day to a week after the reveal, this time they decided to push the patch date from a usual Monday to a Thursday. Even without that, they posted promo pictures of High Isle Merchandise to Twitter for all to see before taking it down.
And the chapter is still 4 months away first we get the dungeons.
This was done to build hype, I say its a bit bland like blackwood.
They need to update the client for this to work as the text is loaded from your local machine, not a web server.
Edited by CyberOnEso on January 27, 2022 5:27PM@CyberOnEso PC | EU - Jack of all Trades - Armory Style Manager Planesbreaker | Godslayer | Dawnbringer | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Gryphon Heart6 -
silvereyes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my books
I don't disagree with this. Any spoilers should have SPOILERS or DATAMINE in the title and no privileged information.While I could avoid reading spoiler threads, I can't avoid seeing the information shamelessly plastered at the top of the page.
Other than that, I think the practice of datamining is fine, as long as people who want to wait for the official reveal have a way to opt-out of the leaked info. I personally appreciate knowing new product information as soon as possible without the marketing spin.[PC/NA] @silvereyes | My Addons on ESOUI.com1 -
TelvanniWizard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksDatamining is good in my book. I don´t even get all the secrecy and hype nonsense.3 -
DarcyMardin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksI’m one of those people who actually likes spoilers. Bring ‘em on!3 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksTelvanniWizard wrote: »Datamining is good in my book. I don´t even get all the secrecy and hype nonsense.DarcyMardin wrote: »I’m one of those people who actually likes spoilers. Bring ‘em on!
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PrimusTiberius wrote: »PrimusTiberius wrote: »I fine with people posting new material, but it should have been posted as a spoiler in the title. So many people have to be the "First" to post something. Its like a movie you haven't seen and someone gives away the ending.... it's selfish really.
The main data mining threads seem to have "Data mining" in the title, so safe to stay out of those to avoid spoilage.
However, there is a grey area here that applies to this reveal. If ZOS or Bethesda spills the beans, even if they retract, it is no longer a spoiler. It is advance information. We cannot know if such things are an accident, or an "accident" (wink wink nudge nudge).
You must of missed it this morning, there were titles of the chapter's name on several post, clearly written as spoilers on the front page. They were written to get exposure, more than likely to gain up votes, The titles now have either been changed by the poster or by the mods, either way, it's just bad form.
edit:spelling
ZOS announced it yesterday in a Tweet. A mistake? Probably, but the genie is out of the proverbial bottle, at that point. Today, we are talking about information released by ZOS yesterday.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭Datamining the Chapter information and releasing the information the day before the team's Chapter reveal was a cheese moveOnly issue I have is the unnecessary spoilers.
Too many toons not enough time0 -
milkbox✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
(and it's not like people plastering the internet with "Snape kills Dumbledoor" the day that book came out /eyeroll)
Someone drove around my neighborhood withHAN SOLO DIESpainted on their back windscreen the day the movie came out.
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PrimusTiberius✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information and releasing the information the day before the team's Chapter reveal was a cheese movePrimusTiberius wrote: »PrimusTiberius wrote: »I fine with people posting new material, but it should have been posted as a spoiler in the title. So many people have to be the "First" to post something. Its like a movie you haven't seen and someone gives away the ending.... it's selfish really.
The main data mining threads seem to have "Data mining" in the title, so safe to stay out of those to avoid spoilage.
However, there is a grey area here that applies to this reveal. If ZOS or Bethesda spills the beans, even if they retract, it is no longer a spoiler. It is advance information. We cannot know if such things are an accident, or an "accident" (wink wink nudge nudge).
You must of missed it this morning, there were titles of the chapter's name on several post, clearly written as spoilers on the front page. They were written to get exposure, more than likely to gain up votes, The titles now have either been changed by the poster or by the mods, either way, it's just bad form.
edit:spelling
ZOS announced it yesterday in a Tweet. A mistake? Probably, but the genie is out of the proverbial bottle, at that point. Today, we are talking about information released by ZOS yesterday.
Doesn't make it right, again, how hard is it to type spoiler in a head line? Answer...it's not. It's bad form I say. We can argue about this all day long, I'll agree that we disagree.
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ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksI enjoy seeing the datamines. For me, its part of the hype, especially since from what little was found, we don't know much at all. We don't know what new mechanics are being released, or anything. We have a few scant visuals that just barely elaborate on the trailer, and a name. That's it.
I also think you are misinterpreting the intention of those that data mine. It is often done in the spirit of exploration and excitement. Granted, people should be a little more careful about posting things in thread titles so that those who don't want spoilers can't see them. But it doesn't have the malicious intentions you are attributing to it in the least.PC l NA
Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PrimusTiberius wrote: »PrimusTiberius wrote: »PrimusTiberius wrote: »I fine with people posting new material, but it should have been posted as a spoiler in the title. So many people have to be the "First" to post something. Its like a movie you haven't seen and someone gives away the ending.... it's selfish really.
The main data mining threads seem to have "Data mining" in the title, so safe to stay out of those to avoid spoilage.
However, there is a grey area here that applies to this reveal. If ZOS or Bethesda spills the beans, even if they retract, it is no longer a spoiler. It is advance information. We cannot know if such things are an accident, or an "accident" (wink wink nudge nudge).
You must of missed it this morning, there were titles of the chapter's name on several post, clearly written as spoilers on the front page. They were written to get exposure, more than likely to gain up votes, The titles now have either been changed by the poster or by the mods, either way, it's just bad form.
edit:spelling
ZOS announced it yesterday in a Tweet. A mistake? Probably, but the genie is out of the proverbial bottle, at that point. Today, we are talking about information released by ZOS yesterday.
Doesn't make it right, again, how hard is it to type spoiler in a head line? Answer...it's not. It's bad form I say. We can argue about this all day long, I'll agree that we disagree.
Cheers
I have to disagree. Once it is announced, it is fair game to discuss without spoilers. Otherwise, we have to mark everything a spoiler until it releases.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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_Zathras_✭✭✭✭✭
✭Datamining the Chapter information and releasing the information the day before the team's Chapter reveal was a cheese movePrimusTiberius wrote: »PrimusTiberius wrote: »I fine with people posting new material, but it should have been posted as a spoiler in the title. So many people have to be the "First" to post something. Its like a movie you haven't seen and someone gives away the ending.... it's selfish really.
The main data mining threads seem to have "Data mining" in the title, so safe to stay out of those to avoid spoilage.
However, there is a grey area here that applies to this reveal. If ZOS or Bethesda spills the beans, even if they retract, it is no longer a spoiler. It is advance information. We cannot know if such things are an accident, or an "accident" (wink wink nudge nudge).
You must of missed it this morning, there were titles of the chapter's name on several post, clearly written as spoilers on the front page. They were written to get exposure, more than likely to gain up votes, The titles now have either been changed by the poster or by the mods, either way, it's just bad form.
edit:spelling
Exactly this. It was everywhere.
Honestly, I'm dismayed by post after post after post of replies that endorse 4Chan leaks, datamining, and spoilers, even when they ruin someone else's experience.BloodyStigmata wrote: »I think you've got a right to view and discuss any file that were downloaded on your computer by any game client you have installed. If that mean spoiling the new chapter so be it.
Well, you get what you all want/deserve, I guess.
Anyway, I'm out. This is all just so absurd. Speaking of ethics, at least Yoshi has an anti-datamining/leak position so the player's experience isn't ruined.
Edited by _Zathras_ on January 27, 2022 7:36PM0 -
PvP_Exploiter✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksI mean it was datamined back in October the name of the chapter.1
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xclassgaming✭✭✭✭✭
✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksDatamining is fine.Give us clannfear mounts!3 -
Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome✭✭✭✭Datamining the Chapter information was a-ok in my booksI love the dataminers3
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Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't really care either wayZenimax knows there are people who datamine. Zenimax has full control over what information is available for datamining. Zenimax is capable of creating a code system to disguise information that might be datamined.
Zenimax is in full control here.3 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't really care either wayI never suspected I'd see an anti-datamining faction in ESO. I shouldn't have been surprised, really.
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