Remove the Ready Check from Activity Finder

N00BxV1 · January 2022

Please just remove the Ready Check from the Activity Finder.

EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. I have to watch the Ready Check fail, sometimes multiple times in a row. This only wastes other people's time and causes frustration.

If you queue for something, then you should already be ready!!! You don't go stand in line at a shop, and then when it's your turn to check out, just stand there pissing around and waste everyone else's time.

Just make it a notification: "Group Found. The match will begin in 5 seconds..." or something like that.

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redspecter23 · January 2022

To be fair to players, often the ready check fails to actually pop for some players, can fail during load screens or even just stall completely.

I kinda get why they added it, but the alternative is to just port people in immediately or perhaps with a short delay of maybe 10 seconds. I know I'd be fine with that option if it meant the removal of the buggy ready check, but I understand how others wouldn't like that option.

PeacefulAnarchy · January 2022

If the queues were short, sure, but when you're regularly in 30 minute queues you learn to do other things, and some of them might need more than 5 seconds to resolve reasonably. For example I sometimes do surveys in the queue, I'd like to finish them before confirming the ready check.

N00BxV1 · January 2022

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

If the queues were short, sure, but when you're regularly in 30 minute queues you learn to do other things, and some of them might need more than 5 seconds to resolve reasonably. For example I sometimes do surveys in the queue, I'd like to finish them before confirming the ready check.

I understand about long queue wait times, and that is the topic of another discussion lol. But 5-10 seconds should be plenty of time to finish whatever it is you're doing. Also your surveys etc. will still be there and when the activity is over it'll put you back exactly where you were before entering.

PS: I also do other things while waiting for the queue. But the second it pops I'm ready to go, because I don't like wasting other people's time in-game.

Gederic · January 2022

I'd rather have a failed queue then queue into a dungeon with an afk player who then has to be kicked and replaced anyway. Removing the ready check solves nothing and only creates a worse problem.

N00BxV1 · January 2022

Gederic wrote: »

I'd rather have a failed queue then queue into a dungeon with an afk player who then has to be kicked and replaced anyway. Removing the ready check solves nothing and only creates a worse problem.

We are having to kick AFK'ers from dungeons even WITH the Ready Check... So it makes no difference...

katanagirl1 · January 2022

Uh...no.

Not too long ago we had to repeatedly (over many months) ask for the ready check UI sound to be fixed on PS. I had to sit with my eyes glued to the TV for the entire 20-30 minute queue wait or I might miss the ready check, couldn’t get a snack or go afk.

Gederic · January 2022

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Gederic wrote: »

I'd rather have a failed queue then queue into a dungeon with an afk player who then has to be kicked and replaced anyway. Removing the ready check solves nothing and only creates a worse problem.

We are having to kick AFK'ers from dungeons even WITH the Ready Check... So it makes no difference...

It would make a world of difference. Relatively few have the addon that automatically accepts and almost never do I see an AFK at the beginning of a dungeon. Remove the ready check and you'll have an AFK every single dungeon, likely replaced by another AFK. This is a non solution to a non problem. Its far preferable to have to wait 60 measly seconds after a someone fails to ready up then deal with the issues of not having a ready check at all.

mickeyx · January 2022

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Please just remove the Ready Check from the Activity Finder.

EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. I have to watch the Ready Check fail, sometimes multiple times in a row. This only wastes other people's time and causes frustration.

If you queue for something, then you should already be ready!!! You don't go stand in line at a shop, and then when it's your turn to check out, just stand there pissing around and waste everyone else's time.

Just make it a notification: "Group Found. The match will begin in 5 seconds..." or something like that.

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Bad suggestion. So no. It can fail for several reasons such as a player is away from screen or stuck in loading screen, stuck in a quest instance etc. I would rather see it failed than people do afk in dungeon.

Arunei · January 2022

It's 60 seconds, if waiting that long for a ready check to either succeed or fail is somehow that much of an inconvenience, then maaaaaybe you should wait to queue for dungeons when you have more time. It just seems excessively impatient to demand that a ready check be reduced to 5-10 seconds, when someone could have stepped away for a moment to get a drink, feed a pet, check on a child, or do any number of things that might take longer than 5 seconds but less than 60.

proprio.meb16_ESO · January 2022

Uh, absolutely not

First of all people may be doing something else while waiting (im often fishing or harvesting while waiting the queue, someone could be finishing a wb or a delve), and as already pointed out getting in someone that is actually afk gives you no benefit except you can 3-man the dungeon... it can work for normal rnd and even some vet, but avoiding the confirmation is just moving the issue one step later...

EF321 · January 2022

N00BxV1 wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

If the queues were short, sure, but when you're regularly in 30 minute queues you learn to do other things, and some of them might need more than 5 seconds to resolve reasonably. For example I sometimes do surveys in the queue, I'd like to finish them before confirming the ready check.

But 5-10 seconds should be plenty of time to finish whatever it is you're doing. Also your surveys etc. will still be there and when the activity is over it'll put you back exactly where you were before entering.

This is not true.
You will lose a survey if you just touched the node, but haven't even collected anything yet.
You also will only be returned to same spot if you are in overland. Not delve/PD/IC/Cyro etc.

So no and no.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · January 2022

N00BxV1 wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

If the queues were short, sure, but when you're regularly in 30 minute queues you learn to do other things, and some of them might need more than 5 seconds to resolve reasonably. For example I sometimes do surveys in the queue, I'd like to finish them before confirming the ready check.

I understand about long queue wait times, and that is the topic of another discussion lol. But 5-10 seconds should be plenty of time to finish whatever it is you're doing. Also your surveys etc. will still be there and when the activity is over it'll put you back exactly where you were before entering.

PS: I also do other things while waiting for the queue. But the second it pops I'm ready to go, because I don't like wasting other people's time in-game.

If you dont finish all nodes after picking the first one you losse them

ZiggyTStardust · January 2022

If they don't respond to the ready check they might be afk, do you want to wait around for afk dds to wake up after they fell asleep during the qeueue, or wait for an replacement after you kicked them (or just leave because two people were afk and you wont be able to kick).
The ready check is important and I don't see a good way to remove it

gariondavey · January 2022

Uhhhhhhhhh no.

Hard no.

When we do group queue for bgs as 3 teams who want to play against each other, the ready check allows us to see if we all got into the same match, and whether or not we should all accept or decline.

jerek95 · January 2022

Without ready check I'll be fake tanking or fake healing a lot. Why?
Because I often do dungeons with guildmates as 4 dd's. So 2 ppl have to change role to fake heal or fake tank. If I later want to do alone rnd I sometimes forget I didn't change my role back to dd. I'm an honest person so I decline ready check and change role but without ready check I'd be faking my role and bypassing the queue.

spartaxoxo · January 2022

Nope. Nah. I often do other things when I queue as a dd due to long waiting times. I'm not trying to have those things messed up just because someone couldn't wait a literal minute

huntgod_ESO · January 2022

N00BxV1 wrote: »

If you queue for something, then you should already be ready!!! You don't go stand in line at a shop, and then when it's your turn to check out, just stand there pissing around and waste everyone else's time.

Though I agree with you on this, do you ever actually go to the shop and not see at least 3 in 5 people stand there in line for however long and when they get up there, watch the cashier ring everything up, and ONLY then begin digging through their purse or pulling out there wallet to find a card or cash to pay for it...purse is usually worse and can take an interminable length of time, oh and don't forget coupons they meant to use and that should have been rung in when the items was scanned and them digging through the purse looking for the coupon.

So I agree with you, but people routinely waste a ton of time in queues by not being ready.

Darrett · January 2022

It’s almost always a DPS that lets the timer expire, likely because they’ve been waiting for so long that they don’t notice the ready check. I’d prefer they just make it more noticeable than eliminate it.

SpiritKitten · January 2022

A big problem is that sometimes the ready check does not appear on the screen but in the Notifications, wherein one has to press the checkmark to say ready. Now, this has an audio cue but if someone has sound off for whatever reason or took off their headphones, then they will never know the queue popped and they will eventually realize they are no longer in a queue and wonder why. Meanwhile, the rest of the players are like come on come on come on press the dang F and then nooooo, because someone 'declined'.

Dojohoda · January 2022

Beg your pardon, I was thinking of the wrong thing.

kargen27 · January 2022

Only things I would change is have a loud distinct sound (could be disabled) when the check pops and the edges of the screen flash kind of like what happens when attacked but some color other than red.

And surveys can easily be finished in the time allotted before you have to hit ready. Picking up six things all right near each other takes very little time.

katanagirl1 · January 2022

Forgot to mention, at least on PS, if someone is in combat the ready check does not come up on screen until you officially leave combat, which can be longer than necessary a lot of times. That is probably why it fails for dps.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2022

Nah. You're not waiting 60 seconds each fail, so it's not that big of a deal.

You simply requeue (which it does for you automatically, if you selected YES) and continue about what you were doing.

Getting potentially yanked out of whatever you were in the middle of is unacceptable, thus the ready check. You wouldn't want to wait for that person once they land in the instance, so better that they're actually good to go before hand.

If <60 seconds is taking too much of a bit out of your activities, it sounds like you really don't have the time for RND's in the first place.

(I'm guesing you are also one of those people that initiate a vote kick 12.5 seconds after someone DC"s or do you give them opportunity to actually come back in a reasonable time first?)

M0ntie · January 2022

No. Firstly the queue can be a very long wait (try queuing for DPS in Australia). And especially on Console load times are very slow. So the wait time is needed. Waiting for a minute is not too much to ask when so many people have to wait for so long

M0ntie · January 2022

Also agree that a loud sound when it pops is really needed. There are audible notifications for everything else

Abnaxos · January 2022

Nope.

But there is room for improvement. For one, as mentioned by other people, it's very easy to miss, when the queue pops. You hardly can do anything else while waiting, you more or less have to stare at the screen. Make a loud and clearly distinctive sound to make sure that the user does not miss it. Make the message more visible, e.g. red. Make the controller vibrate as hard as it can.

Also, there could be a penalty if a player misses or declines the ready check, e.g. can't re-queue for 30 minutes or something. It doesn't have to be a harsh penalty, but queuing and then not joining is very impolite towards other players after all. Of course, there shouldn't be any penalty to leaving the queue before it pops.

Araneae6537 · January 2022

M0ntie wrote: »

Also agree that a loud sound when it pops is really needed. There are audible notifications for everything else

So long as it’s adjustable/toggleable! I have never missed a ready check — the current sound is enough to alert me if I don’t also get the pop-up. I am all for options, however.

Arunei · January 2022

kargen27 wrote: »

And surveys can easily be finished in the time allotted before you have to hit ready. Picking up six things all right near each other takes very little time.

Not always. There are numerous surveys where the nodes are spread out and/or hard to find. It's one of the biggest gripes with Greymoor's surveys, that they're spread out so much and that some of the nodes can be hard to find because they're halfway under the map.

Amottica · January 2022

No.

When we queue with less than a full group ien seen players decline or have the timer run out. So the premise that everyone who is queued is ready when the queue pops is not correct.

It’s far better to deal with the queue pop then to have only half a group actually ready to roll or even in front of their keyboard/controller.

caindele · January 2022

There is already a mechanism to automatically accept the ready check, I bet many don't check it for a reason, some of those reasons expressed here. So, if you don't like having to accept the ready check yourself than auto accept. Personal preference is a wonderful thing. BTW, I tried it and then turned it off. Nothing worse than needing a few seconds to loot a dead world boss and getting yoinked to a dungeon.