Imperial Physique in noCP literally useless..

Beardimus wrote: »

Imperial Physique in noCP literally useless..

Loads of set become pointless in noCP, but yes Imperial Physique is remarkable that its not really an proc set lots of the arena weapons are even less so.

Adept Rider in cyrodiil
Assassin's Guile
Kyne's Kiss
Para Bellum
Footman's Fortune

Vampire Lord as it was reworked from something that'd be useful to something so niche not even niche vampire builds use it. Most of Vampire's abilities are utility and making them cost less is silly when you're further boosting the debuffs as well.

fiender66 wrote: »

I do not like to put forth negative lists, so I here is what I love even if it is not considered meta:

Mad Tinkerer, fun set and utterly useful in day to day situations

Julianos/Hunding, second to none, IMO, but too easy to obtain, so scoffled and put behind

Also, my magplar with swamp/ice/prayer is a blast, and no RoPO needed.

I wouldn't say Juli and Hundings are second to none, but I will say, those sets are workhorses. You can drop one (or the other) on basically any non-tank, and you get a reasonable return for your five slots.

If you're new, those are sets to get your hands on. And if you gold out a body set of either, it will last you for years, as you move it between alts. (That's not an exaggeration, I have characters rolling Hundings Rage gear I crafted back in 2016.)

A really simple, (mostly crafted) setup for a stam character, that you can use to get started is 3pc Agility jewelry (this is very cheap, don't worry about the trait, robust is preferred, but healthy is fine), 4pc Night Mother's Gaze, 5pc Hunding's Rage. It's a very old school setup, but it is functional, while you start collecting gear.

Every set that was homogenized

Elemental Succession, it was somewhat good alternative set to Silks of the Sun/ Burning Spellweave but after recent update with the excuse of making sets more fair cause we cannot allow DLC Arena set to be a little bit stronger than the basic game overland set used for 1 specific build.

Instead of giving bonus to fire when dealing fire damage or frost when dealing frost damage it now gives random buff so for example you build only on fire damage and it will give buff to either lightning/fire/ice.

Pretty stupid change with random totally worthless excuses why they did it if you ask me.

deflorate wrote: »

Every set that was homogenized

One of the BiS sets in this game is also one of the worst. Kinras. For 95% of content you will get nothing out of this set at all. And for the remaining content where it is useful it takes a player that can hit all of their light attacks and get off their back bar fast enough to maintain the stacks. I see too many people run this set with very little uptime in actual content. While it’s great for dummy cheese the skill gap for content is quite large.

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

deflorate wrote: »

Every set that was homogenized

One of the BiS sets in this game is also one of the worst. Kinras. For 95% of content you will get nothing out of this set at all. And for the remaining content where it is useful it takes a player that can hit all of their light attacks and get off their back bar fast enough to maintain the stacks. I see too many people run this set with very little uptime in actual content. While it’s great for dummy cheese the skill gap for content is quite large.

To me that's one reason it's a great set by design - it requires and rewards skill.

The "overwhelming" set has to be the most misleadingly named trash set - overwhelming it is not.

A simple answer: Is the set fun to play? Then it's bad and mediocre.
You want to be an awesome damage dealer using sword and board? There's a nice set called knight-errant which buffs up your S&S skill damage and heals you.
But the skills from S&S are just trash.

If you want to do real damage, either go dual wield, two hand, or destro staff.
Everybody's gonna say sword and shield is not for damage, and as much as I tried, they're right, you'll be doing all your damage through class skills anyway.

So knight-errant is officially one of the crappiest sets ever made, giving people like me hope that sword and shield would be fun to play lol.

And before you say S&S is for tanking, I mean, yeah, but then why make a set that improves damage on it but also make it useless?
Until sword and shield becomes an actual good way to deal damage, that set will always be redundant and useless.

Lemme critique some critiques, on why I think some of these sets do not qualify as the worst, since they have a niche. All my comments pertain only to PvP.

Might of the Lost Legion: the one and only way to get Empower from yourself as a Werewolf

Vampire Lord: Vamp has a good spammable and a good Ult. It has a niche - high Ult Gen MagNB Brawler, maybe

Undaunted Combatant: sure it's no good in CP, but what about No CP? Absolutely I would recommend this set to a beginner in BGs, it will probably help them stay alive more than any other 5 piece

Vampire Cloak: with the additional Weapon/Spell Damage on the 5 piece, not a bad set at all if you don't have another source of Minor Protection. Its 5 piece is roughly like 100% of Fortified Brass and 50% of Hunding's.

Knight's Errant: I know a guy who used to win many duels with this set, even after the damage reduction to S&B skills. I think back in the day some recommended it as a way to beat vMA on StamDK, which was long known as the worst class for vMA.

Para Bellum: this set was recently revised. Some alleged the old version of this set was better than it sounded, since it worked so long as you didn't lose HP - it would still proc if only Damage Shields absorbed damage. I never tested it, but the newer version is more straightforward and probably not the worst.

Adept Rider: Maybe the old version was one of the worst, but the new one definitely has a niche for throwing on new toons to Skyshard hunt, etc., before the toon is competent enough to level Assault

Of all the sets listed in this thread, I would agree with the current version of Nikulas's. I say give the stacked effect something like Jailer's Tenacity 5 piece, where it will negate the next hit of 7k or more damage, rather than just any damage, or, give it back some of its old function: make the stacked effect reflect the next projectile, damaging its caster.

pleximus wrote: »

Pretty much all monster sets for magicka users are worthless. No other explanation needed.

A lot of monster sets are actually pretty good for mag this patch, even if they were for stam beforehand. Skinnycheeks made a good video on how good some of the monster sets are: