They are fighting for eso pvp. Didn't you see the sweet catapult emote?

I've played ESO since PC launch, and pvp in ESO since around 2015. I personally am done.

I'm enjoying New World immensely. I see no real reason to come back. It is OBVIOUS the market they want to cater to in ESO. I mean, cmon, are you telling me it's not obvious?

I can only speak for myself, however, long time pvp oriented players like fengrush, Kristofer, have left this game and are enjoying NW as well. There is a reason for that. Sypher is streaming NW for gods sake.

For me, pvp in this game has run its course. If people still enjoy it, great!!! I'm happy for that. I'm a forum participant in all games I play, and so I still check forums out of habit. But I can tell you that as someone who once posted they were never leaving ESO for NW because of my love for this game, well, I have left ESO for NW.....

NW isnt perfect, but it is appealing to a certain kind of player. It has more of what I enjoy and less of what I dont(character design, cosmetics). I love the survival resource gathering element it has, the strategic use of placing a camp and having no mount.....

Finally, again I'll say NW isnt perfect, but it's new and I have more confidence that they will make improvements to it than I have confidence that ESO pvp will become a priority and have attention given to it. ESO is a casual pve game, nothing wrong with it, but that's what it is. For someone who only pvps, eso has become stale.

techyeshic wrote: »

I didn't really want to make this about NW; but I guess it has to be in some way. It's just no matter what the other game is; some people will be happy to move on, and others will come back just as the first 2 replies indicate.

For me; I have many doubts on NW working long term, and come to play ESO and the first thing I notice is just simply running around beating on some higher HP NPCs overland how unresponsive abilities are. Something I once was just used to, I guess. Seems so trivial, but yet something that should be very polished early in a game.

The 2nd thing I see is empty PvP instances save for 1 faction. Really hits a nerve as it's a concern I'd have for the new game as well. More rewarding to join the dominant side than it is to challenge them. Only 1 game is just starting out while the other has heard this issue for years and has not showed a lot of interest in addressing it.

So yes; there is interest to come back, but it feels like there is nothing to come back to. Both of the first replies are right while being opposite.

Yeah, I hear you loud and clear. I didnt want to leave ESO, I posted just that some time ago in a different thread.

For me the key is priority.....theres a reason why all of these issues havent been fixed/addressed. ZOS is very smart, they know what they are doing. ESO is highly successful. They chose the path they are on, and it really works for them. I dont feel pvp is a serious part of that path. And I think that's what those who want to stay here are having a hard time realizing. Maybe deep down they know it, but they dont want to admit it. I see no indication that path is changing.

I definitely dont think NW is a threat to ESO, outside of pvp. And then, I'm a pvp only player who has always loved open world cyrodil the most. NW is like, exactly what I like most(despite people not flagging enough, I've still already made a lot of friends after open world fights, which is my idea of a good time). So NW might even only be a threat to ESO for a certain type of pvp player, just my thought.

It may or may not work out in NW, but as you've said, here there isnt anything right now, and that's by choice. Why eat stale bread when there's a new loaf.

neferpitou73 wrote: »

hands0medevil wrote: »

They have everything to fix cyro, but they need to want it and do it seriously. Sadly, we have to accept it that Devs priority is to release 1 chapter and 3 dlc each year, because it brings profit. As long as money is flowing, noone can be blamed in Zeni for the state of Cyrodiil. If there is no money from Cyrodiil on the horizon, why even bother touching it. They treat pvp players like some incredibly not so smart people by disabling or enabling sets as some part of greater performance fix plan (yeah sure), adding some silly emotes as new pvp content etc. It's so good to see smiling zos staff during official streams, it really is, but it is not reflecting state of the game.

The thing tho is a lot of PvPers are loyal subscribers and many of them are dropping and moving to NW because of the performance. Now, that might not cut into their bottom line much, but it's still money lost.

I'm one of them. Here since PC launch.

It's not just performance for me, either, although that's a big part of it.

What's new in cyrodil since launch? I prefer open world pvp, I'm not that into battlegrounds. Again, what's new since launch in cyrodil?

Yay 😁

Why do people even care what this Sypher person streams? He's been gone how long? Srsly.

My thoughts are that pvp is getting phased out step by step.

just a few thoughts on NW.....soooooo boring. I was hoping for a ton of open world PvP but it's fundamentally a PvE survival game with a rather boring grind!!

I'll answer for them: Yes.

Maybe they should make a completely different map for Cyrodiil and start over with the coding to fix everything in it? New maps would be fun!

I think Zeni failed because they let one faction dominate in numbers. I have seen it 1 bars vs a poplock before. This is not fun and should never be allowed.

I think they should lower the pop cap to maybe 2 bars until all sides have a high que.

I don't play any more, not sure if I ever will again. I'm not playing any other game. ESO was the only game I will ever play. But from a customers view, I found the game fun but it becomes not fun when 1 faction becomes over populated when other factions only have a few people playing.

I went with @Kartalin to NW and I think that his points are valid.

I also agree with @gameswithaspoon in that AD got to feel the sharp end of the DC/EP zergs for so many years, concurrently, that no one can blame them if they win multiple campaigns in a row. I mained AD for 6 years. I remember Braidus and Feng and the PILES of 100+ zergs, quite well.

I’m on DC now, because that’s where my guild is.
And trust me when I say that we’ve had conversations about swapping to AD, mid-raid. But the AD numbers always increase and we wind up staying on DC… and getting blasted by 40+.

When I started, I bled AD. I hated Sevric on DC. Now I’m friends with him. I screamed at Callisto on EP. Now I’ve played 3 other games with him; we’re good friends. It was great talking with Belenthor the other night. I told him it was good to see EP showing up. I hated his guild for years. lol

I think the problem for PvP’ers on this map now is, #1) they have other MMOs to run to, moreso than they did in 2015. When we get stomped… we just log. But people will come back. They always do.
And #2) Not enough people experience playing on other factions. When you DO, it changes your perspective. And with players, go their friends with them to another faction. And numbers *could* even out.

And there’s no hate there. There’s no toxicity there. I’ve never sent hatetells to Spoons. Or DC92, or his brother lol. I laugh and joke and troll back and forth with them all night. Same with Tris, Snyds, Raise… even Jadingo.

Why?

Because populations fluctuate. They always have and always will. And even though no one likes to lose, the fact is: You’re going to. Get fights where you can. And log off when you’re done. Have fun.

No amount of forum posts are going to convince guild leaders to spam zone chat with “unwritten rules.” They either will, tell people not to gate camp, or they won’t. They’ll either encourage small scale fights, or they won’t. But they’re not the politicians that some people think should be mandated, nor should they be politicians.

When EP plays, they play. If DC zergs at midnight, then they will. And if AD dethrones at 7am, holds the map and wins a campaign, then good on them.

As for ZoS, I think the Devs are just letting it play out, and doing the best they know how. I think it’s the players who should change their perspectives sometimes.

Cheers,

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Faction imbalance didn't kill Cyrodiil, knee-jerk meta changes and ***-poor performance did that a long, long time ago. Its been hanging by a thread for the simple reason that some skills are exclusive to PvP and the lure of AP and maybe even FW ranks remain for some people.

I and many of the people I played with post-launch bought ESO almost exclusively for the promise of large scale PvP battles on a huge map but it never delivered what was promised and quickly became a lag fest of epic proportions populated by many a cheat engine user with new exploits and unbeatable fotm builds with each new update.

Its sad and although I'll always have nostalgic memory of the time I spent in Cyrodiil, ESO is nothing more than a micro-transaction fuelled PvE machine for quick fix set hunters and aesthetics junkies. PvPers in ESO are the equivalent of dinosaurs now, fighting for scraps in a world too small for their appetites.

Tbh don't think the poor performance was nail in the coffin. Did it drive away a lot of people? Yes, but I think it was a mixture of factors, GH can still pop lock on console (prior to the blue screen apocalypse), poor performance helped drive down population by a lot but faction stacking really killed it for the loyal players who stuck around even in poor performance. Driving an already small community even more down