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How do I barely get anything good out of 30 crates?
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I get that it’s rng as well, but if you buy the 15 crate pack there should be some hidden bad luck protection. People are spending the almost equivalent of a new game, throw them a bone already.
There is bad luck prevention. You get gems in each crate. After a certain amount of crates you can just buy what you want with gems. What you want is already there.5 -
Cireous✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you want a specific 400 gem item, go into it with the mind set that you will be buying 45 crates. This is the general amount of crates that will net you 400 gems from duplicates and selling off the fluff. This is what works for me, anyways. The more you buy after that, the less amount of crates it will take to reach 400 again, because the more you open, the more chances for mostly duplicates, so the more gems you will get.
TLDR:
It's 45 crates, not 30, to get an Apex Mount you might be eying. Otherwise, you might want to lower your expectations.
There is no relying on "luck" to find any real satisfaction in the crate game. Figure out exactly what you want, first, and then do the math. And then spend the money.0 -
krachall✭✭✭✭✭
✭The same reason casinos in Vegas are the size of small cities. The odds are astronomically against you.
And it’s basically why I play the game in a way to minimize my reliance on random numbers.
Some people will spend hours farming a rare drop to sell. I’ll spend those hours farming materials to sell and buy the drop.
It’s also why I stopped buy crown crates after trying a 15 pack years ago.1 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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Agree, now Josh Strife focused on obvious P2W games not the cosmetic in ESO but I can easy see people spending hundreds of dollar to get shiny stuff and one benefit of the crown crates is that you could just be lucky with crates you bought with eso+ crowns, then you did spend $500 for the Starschaser senche.Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »Only 30 boxes; therein lies your problem, thinking the loot boxes are designed for the average player.
They are designed for the whales that won't stop buying them until they pay off.
Maybe watch this to see the real target of these boxes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EcLbewUexg&ab_channel=JoshStrifeHayesGrinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
mickeyx✭✭✭✭I understand that the crate system is gambling and I'm not guaranteed anything, but I thought out of 30 crates, I'd get at least 1 gold item, something that is in the 400+ gem group. Nope. Not a single one. Mostly potions, scrolls, and face/body markings.... I have reported this and will talk with ZoS about it, but I also wanted to communicate it on here in case people are wanting to buy these crates. Their RNG has gotten really bad. I've gotten crates in the past and usually manage to get at least 1 good thing within 15 crates. Their RNG now has gotten really bad.
I have said this many times before. The crates are not for average Joe. It's for whales with thousands of dollars to burn on gambling. Anyone with limited income wanting to spend hundreds of dollars on crates. You are setting yourself up for disappointment.0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I get that it’s rng as well, but if you buy the 15 crate pack there should be some hidden bad luck protection. People are spending the almost equivalent of a new game, throw them a bone already.
There is bad luck prevention. You get gems in each crate. After a certain amount of crates you can just buy what you want with gems. What you want is already there.
A 15 pack does not give you enough gems for a mount. Maybe after 3 or 4 packs you will get enough for maybe a non apex mount.
Yeah the gems do act as protection for many many pack purchases, but for a single 15 pack they don’t give you THAT many gems.0 -
shadyjane62✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I only ever bought crates once when they were on sale 15 for 3500 crowns. Got a grand total of nothing except a flower diadem. Potions poisons pets all useless. Got some gems but would have been better off just buying the stuff.
Only saving grace was that the crowns were part of the batch given at subbing.
I have never spent a penny on this game other than sub and will be quitting that soon. Things just aren't good enough anymore.0 -
Juomuuri✭✭✭✭✭Way back, when I still had spare money to throw in vidya, I'd buy 45 crates per season, and would often get up to 3 of the apex mounts. I however never got any of the radiant apex rewards, but I did get that stupid 400 gem worth sweetroll from the first crates after housing was implemented.
It seems, from my point of view, to not be working as intended for the OP, as every 15 crates I ever bought, would give me a handful of stuff from the tier below apex. Either they changed stuff after 2020 (when I stopped buying the crates that much), or it indeed is bugged. Or I have been ultra lucky or something.PC-EU (Steam) - CP 2300 - I was a tankblade main...0 -
matterandstuff✭✭✭✭I think some of the recent ZOS decisions are just killing crown crates.
The decision to include pieces of armor outfit styles in the low-level crates is amplifying the RNG issues and making them so much worse. I've often spent my ESO+ crowns on crates, because I'd often pick up something interesting - a pet, emote or costume - and it was just a nice little surprise.
The last two crate seasons had terrible stuff, but I tried to do the same one month last season anyway and just got all armor outfit pieces, meaning that I had an incomplete set of something I really didn't want to begin with. I had to use my endeavour seals to at least have a basic complete set, as opposed to having completely useless random bits of armor style for the rest of time. That was a great incentive not to buy crates.
I like this crate season much better, and for reasons I have money to spend on stupid purchases beyond ESO+, so was very seriously considering buying a whole bunch of them - but I can see there's another damned armor outfit style being put up as individual tiny pieces, and I know the same thing is probably going to happen again if I do. Which means that's money that I won't be spending, and will have to just get the thing or two I most wanted with endeavours.0 -
huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wish they would curate the crates the same way they do the boss loot.
It's really frustrating to get the same 16gem item three times or more in a row.--- HuntGod ---
Officer of the Unrepentant
www.unrepentantgaming.com1 -
huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭The same reason casinos in Vegas are the size of small cities. The odds are astronomically against you.
And it’s basically why I play the game in a way to minimize my reliance on random numbers.
Some people will spend hours farming a rare drop to sell. I’ll spend those hours farming materials to sell and buy the drop.
It’s also why I stopped buy crown crates after trying a 15 pack years ago.
The difference of course being that casinos are required by law to reveal the odds and the mechanism used to generate those odds, then they have an independent commission that insures they maintain that transparency and don't "rig" the game.--- HuntGod ---
Officer of the Unrepentant
www.unrepentantgaming.com1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I get that it’s rng as well, but if you buy the 15 crate pack there should be some hidden bad luck protection. People are spending the almost equivalent of a new game, throw them a bone already.
There is bad luck prevention. You get gems in each crate. After a certain amount of crates you can just buy what you want with gems. What you want is already there.
A 15 pack does not give you enough gems for a mount. Maybe after 3 or 4 packs you will get enough for maybe a non apex mount.
Yeah the gems do act as protection for many many pack purchases, but for a single 15 pack they don’t give you THAT many gems.
And that's completely intentional. Nothing about the crate system is player friendly as it's not designed that way. When you buy enough crates, you can use the gems to get what you wanted if you didn't pull it yourself. 15 is not the number ZOS requires you to purchase to get to that level. It might be nice if it were, but it's not.0 -
Kwoung✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭etchedpixels wrote: »I'd be the first to admit that I have no real idea what crates are or how they work. But it's basically gambling right? The odds are going to suck and the house is always going to win. I mean, it's gambling...
Gambling disguised as something else. If it was at least properly classified as gambling then the rules to protect the vulnerable would apply. I'm all for crazy rich people buying silly things in game and funding it for the rest of us, but loot crates need regulating for what they are.
They are regulated... in the countries which choose to do so and I have never heard anyone think of loot crates as being disguised as anything else. It is like buying a happy meal at McDonalds or opening a box of Cracker Jacks and hoping for a particular prize to be inside. You may get it, you may not, you may have to buy 1000 boxes of Cracker Jacks to get the ring or whatever you wanted out of it. But while that is obviously gambling as well, it is not regulated anywhere that I am aware of. Heck, a simple gumball machine is a form of gambling, if you are after a particular color.0 -
estelrandir✭✭✭the real radiant apex is putting food in developers's bellies and gifts under christmas trees ^_^hopeful.heart on PC-NA/EU
"'Never love a wild thing, Mr. Bell,' Holly advised him. 'That was Doc's mistake. He was always lugging home wild things. [...] You can't give your heart to a wild thing: the more you do, the stronger they'll get. Until they're strong enough to run into the woods. Or fly into a tree. Then a taller tree. Then the sky. That's how you'll end up, Mr. Bell. If you let yourself love a wild thing. You'll end up looking at the sky.'" -- Truman Capote, Breakfast at Tiffany's.1 -
rexagamemnon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most stuff that i traded for crown gems barley gave me more than 25gems. Which normally i get over 100 easy. Not gona lie, not accusing but i got the vibe, the chances for tier rewards were changed to get more people to buy more crates. Why was the celestial robes 400crown gems? I have never seen a costume that expensive.0 -
myskyrim26✭✭✭✭✭
✭I had 3000 crowns, so I managed to buy only 8 Celestial crates - 4 + 4 packs. My results are:
- Apex mount, Star-Born Guardian Bear
- Legendary mount, Mind-Shriven Wolf
- Legendary style page, Spellscar Axe
- 2 Superior pets, Fellrunner and rathound
- 2 Superior style pages, Arm Cops and Guards
- 2 Superior body tatteos
- Other rewards were consumables convertable to gems. I managet to get Chest Style page for 40 gems and I have 66 gems left.
I'm quite happy. I wish i could buy more crates1 -
etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »The difference of course being that casinos are required by law to reveal the odds and the mechanism used to generate those odds, then they have an independent commission that insures they maintain that transparency and don't "rig" the game.
ESO does publish the odds but it hides them in a help faq entry rather than putting them up front linked on the actually buy page (at least I can't see the odds where morally they should be on the page with the buy button)
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?
They don't publish their exact random number generator but unlike a casino none of this costs them anything as you are just "buying" bits on a computer being 1 or 0 for a few years so they've probably got no incentive to do anything warped there.
Too many toons not enough time0
