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Vampires are FINE!
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Vampires are fine. Please stop asking for nerfs that are not needed and let ZoS focus on the many real problems this game is having like gold-sellers, bots, loading screens, exploits, skill tree bugs, quest bugs . . .etc
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Zazar✭✭I do agree with the fact that ZOS has to focus on several issues in prior.
But no. Vampires are not fine.0 -
brandon✭✭✭✭with all do respect vampires need to get the bugs in their skill trees fixed but other then that yeah their fine and yes zos needs to fix the other bugs this game hasEdited by brandon on April 29, 2014 12:12PM0 -
Seroczynski✭✭✭
Currently vampires are able to utterly destroy battles in PvP. I think that is a pretty important aspect of the game.
Edit: I know it's not all to their skilltree, but when used in combination with ultimate cost reduction and some other gear. Yet it's only possible combined with the vampire skills. Thus something needs to be done somewhere, either the vampire skill tree or the gear bonuses need a cap.
Edited by Seroczynski on April 29, 2014 12:27PM“To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.” ― Homer J. Simpson0 -
netsike✭✭✭
Then don't say they are fine, say that there are more important issues to deal with.
And no, they are too op and really screw pvp.
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
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As someone who has not made up my mind on vampires I find this statement severely unconvincing. However on the other hand the ongoing lack of a good explanation for why vamps are not OP is progressively leading me toward the other camp. Most of the explanations I see seem to be attempts at distraction over unrealistic measures or ad hominems.
I'm not a vamp, I haven't made up my mind on what should or should not be done. If you guys want to avoid the nerf I would start making a good, explanatory case. As things are now you guys come off as the guilty party with something to hide in the way you respond to this issue.
The distraction attempts and ad hominem attempts, as found in other threads, are a disservice to your case.Edited by Armitas on April 29, 2014 1:26PMRetired.
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From the : Vampire Skill Tree Bugged thread.ZoS, please fix the vampire bugs. I beg you.
The reason I bought this game was because I REALLY enjoyed playing Oblivion as a Vampire and I thought how cool it would be to be a Vampire in an Elder Scrolls MMO. I don't care about any other bug or problem the game is having as much as I care about this one.
Again, please fix sooner rather than later.
Thank you.
Think this might be compromised account or it has several users which i understand is not allowed.
Edited by Bangstin on April 29, 2014 2:37PM0 -
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For some people, PvP is the most important thing. It is not really the problem with vampires but the synergy between vampirism and class skills which makes some classes overpowered in PvP - Sorcerers and DKs even more.Vampires are fine. Please stop asking for nerfs that are not needed and let ZoS focus on the many real problems this game is having like gold-sellers, bots, loading screens, exploits, skill tree bugs, quest bugs . . .etc
Something needs to be done there. There were several good suggestions on the forum, but it is up to zenimax if they want to and will change it.
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ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭Most people who post that vampires are fine simply never saw one of those vampires that can wipe out a whole squad because of abusing the mistform bug and the ultimate cost reduction.
They probably ran into some random twilight jerk vampire and landed a silverbolt on him, so they think all vampire combinations are fine.
You killed a vampire? Great. Now kill the vampire that binds a crowd with talons and spams mistform and bats. Then you can come back and talk.
And most people don't ask for nerfs, but to repair mistform and adjust the possible amount of ultimate reduction.0 -
WilliamTee✭✭✭fine
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Yes. Vampires are fine. In fact, they're so fine they're imbalanced.0 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
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For some people, PvP is the most important thing. It is not really the problem with vampires but the synergy between vampirism and class skills which makes some classes overpowered in PvP - Sorcerers and DKs even more.Vampires are fine. Please stop asking for nerfs that are not needed and let ZoS focus on the many real problems this game is having like gold-sellers, bots, loading screens, exploits, skill tree bugs, quest bugs . . .etc
Something needs to be done there. There were several good suggestions on the forum, but it is up to zenimax if they want to and will change it.
I think that is the real problem. Synergy. Right now we have too many pitchfork parties going to the sorc, the DK, the vamp, but really the problem is synergy. With all the finger pointing it makes it difficult to see the real problem and find a real solution.
The mage and fighters guild lines are more utility lines, not a developed line. With a vampire you almost have a new additional class line. The Vampire line is significant unto itself, as it should be, but because one can have such a significant vampire line, in addition to ones class lines to draw from these synergies emerge.
Being a Vampire or a Werewolf should be a very significant line unto itself. I believe it would be a detriment to reduce its significance. So like you say they need to work on that synergy between Vampire and the class that one occupies as a Vampire.
Edited by Armitas on April 29, 2014 3:45PMRetired.
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