I feel like if I keep my targets realistic (3600 or less) I can get most of what I want within a reasonable timeframe. Anything that is 16,000 is basically non-existent in my mind, like the top carnival prize that has been there forever. You can average 400 a week so 3 weeks for something 1000, 5 weeks for 2000, 9 weeks for 3600, and... 20 weeks for 8000. I've already picked up a wolf mount, a head adornment, and some armor appearances with my Seals; my next goal is the green plant skin which I am currently at 2910 this week so it'll take at least another 2 weeks.

I spent my first this week on the white cat

The whole point of there being a mix of ways of getting the endeavours with minimal effort. They are not designed to be farmed, they are designed to give everyone a way of getting what they want from crates over time.

Some days I get my three done without even thinking about them, other days they can be a bit more problematic.

For instance, I main a stamplar, when we have kill monsters with class abilities that one is a breeze, jabs for the win, when we have to kill monster abilities though I look to see what else is available, I don't use many weapon abilities.

I like having a choice, it means I don't have to spend huge amounts of time chasing the endeavours.

If anyone thinks games companies like ZOS do/will do anything for the player, you're barking up the wrong tree.

They put them in because now they can say that all their stuff is "earnable" in game, and not just as a result of gambling.

I'm honestly they put as much effort into it that they did lol. I think the debs probably did as much as they were allowed to do.

Gotta keep them shareholders happy and people spamming crates!

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I like that they give us multiple options and we choose which activities we do. As you already mentioned, if we could do all of them, they would just adjust the prices up anyway so you wouldn't progress any faster than you do currently. You would just have to do more for the same outcome.

But no need to worry. If you really want to do that you can. Simply do the other endeavors anyway. You won't get any extra rewards, but since you already wanted the cost to adjust up for more effort, this won't change. You get to put in the extra effort you want and everyone else can continue on as normal. Everybody wins!

So you're saying having the option to do all the endeavors would make the game less fun?

I know you said they don't have to adjust the prices, but they certainly would do so.

So let's say you aim for an Apex. Someone said it's roughly 40 weeks to get there. Let's count on that.
What do you think is more fun for most of the players?

Doing 3 daily tasks + 1 weekly for 40 weeks to get that amount of seals plus having the option to choose which tasks fit your playstyle the most.
OR
Doing 5 daily tasks + 3 weeklies for 40 weeks with being forced to play parts that you don't like (e.g. trials or pvp).

I still don't get the mindset that you're being forced to do them every week. I play lots of game with battle passes and I don't feel forced to get all the rewards each season. I have the option to do so, but there's plenty of rewards for those that dont.

I wouldn't do all of them each week if I didn't want to, even if I could.Especially if I had plenty from doing them before.

AlnilamE wrote: »

I disagree.

Being able to pick only 3 of 5 items allows players to stay away from content they do not enjoy most of the time.

I personally don't care for endeavors that involve battlegrounds of duels. I'm sure other players won't do stuff that requires grouping.

Limiting it to 3 out of 5 is the easiest way to make most people happy.

There are people each year who complain about PVP and Undaunted events but ZOS continues to have them. It seems odd that ZOS would provide such accommodation when it comes to endeavors yet not when it comes to events and tickets.

Personally, if having rewards for activiites that you do not find enjoyable causes you to be mad, then you'll be mad at everything the game doesn't cater directly to you.

People getting PVP only rewards? Lets get angry. Top tier sets from trials? Time to rage.

Endeavors are small activities at best. Yes, people will be annoyed, but some will actually try out things and get to enjoy them.

redspecter23 wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I like that they give us multiple options and we choose which activities we do. As you already mentioned, if we could do all of them, they would just adjust the prices up anyway so you wouldn't progress any faster than you do currently. You would just have to do more for the same outcome.

But no need to worry. If you really want to do that you can. Simply do the other endeavors anyway. You won't get any extra rewards, but since you already wanted the cost to adjust up for more effort, this won't change. You get to put in the extra effort you want and everyone else can continue on as normal. Everybody wins!

So you're saying having the option to do all the endeavors would make the game less fun?

That is exactly what I'm saying, yes. I like to know I can skip 2 of the dailies that I want to do the least. Feeling like I have to run a BG which I don't like or travel all the way to Cyrodiil to do one quest in a city would be much less fun for me.

I'd rather do 3 out of 5 (my choice) of dailies for 30 or 45 combined seals than do all 5 for the same 30 or 45 combined seals, because I know that ZOS would not give us any more seals per day, regardless of how many endeavors they let us do. The system was designed with choice in mind. Why would you want to take that choice away? You can't see how many would find that less fun?

You don't have to get all the endeavors every day. The choice would result in less endeavors, but you would still get as many or more than you do now.

If they keep the prices the same, would that bother you?

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

I feel like the current system is barely above login rewards and isn't fun or challenging.

But that is the whole point of the endeavour system, it was designed so that people didn't have to go out of their way to get them, it isn't designed to be challenging, its designed to be easy and that you should get them a lot of the time without having to do anything extra.

What you are proposing turns it into a grind, and for no additional reward, because either the number of endeavours we get will decrease or the amount needed to get something will increase.

You say it doesn't cost anything to do this, that it costs Zos nothing to effectively give a top tier mount every 2 to 3 months rather than every 40 weeks.

Now tell that to the accountants and sales team who are suddenly looking at a massive reduction in income due to the massive decrease in crate sales.

Then tell it to the devs because all of a sudden the money coming into the game has massively reduced which means there is less money for changes and system development

Then tell it to the subscribers who find their eso+ tripling in price to make up for that lost income due to the extra endeavours being given out.

And then the next phase is a massive reduction in subscribers as players desert the game.

With a massive decrease in both income and players Zos decide it is no longer worth paying the server costs and so they close the game.

And all because people were not satisfied with a small amount of "free" cosmetic stuff a year and wanted more, more, more....

hafgood wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

I feel like the current system is barely above login rewards and isn't fun or challenging.

But that is the whole point of the endeavour system, it was designed so that people didn't have to go out of their way to get them, it isn't designed to be challenging, its designed to be easy and that you should get them a lot of the time without having to do anything extra.

What you are proposing turns it into a grind, and for no additional reward, because either the number of endeavours we get will decrease or the amount needed to get something will increase.

You say it doesn't cost anything to do this, that it costs Zos nothing to effectively give a top tier mount every 2 to 3 months rather than every 40 weeks.

Now tell that to the accountants and sales team who are suddenly looking at a massive reduction in income due to the massive decrease in crate sales.

Then tell it to the devs because all of a sudden the money coming into the game has massively reduced which means there is less money for changes and system development

Then tell it to the subscribers who find their eso+ tripling in price to make up for that lost income due to the extra endeavours being given out.

And then the next phase is a massive reduction in subscribers as players desert the game.

With a massive decrease in both income and players Zos decide it is no longer worth paying the server costs and so they close the game.

And all because people were not satisfied with a small amount of "free" cosmetic stuff a year and wanted more, more, more....

ZOS makes $450 million a year mostly from ESO. I do not believe they will bankrupt themselves or Microsoft, or even lose profits.

People who gamble for crates will still do so. And they will still have an awful rate on apex and above rewards.

And I'm not asking for "free" stuff. I'm asking to be rewarded for playing the game. ZOS already does this. Other games do this. Why is this such a foreign concept to people.

VaranisArano wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I like that they give us multiple options and we choose which activities we do. As you already mentioned, if we could do all of them, they would just adjust the prices up anyway so you wouldn't progress any faster than you do currently. You would just have to do more for the same outcome.

But no need to worry. If you really want to do that you can. Simply do the other endeavors anyway. You won't get any extra rewards, but since you already wanted the cost to adjust up for more effort, this won't change. You get to put in the extra effort you want and everyone else can continue on as normal. Everybody wins!

So you're saying having the option to do all the endeavors would make the game less fun?

Actually yes.

Endeavors are a daily task, more akin to doing chores than playing the game in many cases.

Did your parents ever hand you a list of five chores?

Or did they ever hand you a list if five chores, and say "Pick three that you want to do"?

Now, obviously very few people enjoy doing chores. But it's far more enjoyable to pick and choose the chores you want to do than it is to be handed a list and told "Do all of them."

So yes, your suggestion would make Seals of Endeavor less fun for many players. It would also make the game less fun, by imposing a clear cost when players either choose to avoid certain activities or do not have the time to do all five.

If I don't have time to do all my endeavors I simply don't. The game doesn't become less fun because of it. I also craft 7 writs on all my characters every day. If I don't complete them all, the game is not less enjoyable. I don't feel the need to do them, but if I am online, I will.

Endeavors provide an incentive to do other things than what we log on for each day. And yet, most people never go beyond the 3 easiest, because there's 0 reward.