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Gear Idea: PvE and PvP Separated
Tafvsulke
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In order to promote easier balancing in PvE and PvP Environments, I would like to see some thoughts about the below ideas.
Concept:
Separate PvP and PvE gear. Any equipable item that is obtainable through Dungeons, Trials, or Arenas be flagged as PvE Item.
Any equipable item that is obtainable through Cyrodiil, Imperial City or Battlegrounds be flagged as PvP Item.
When entering into a Dungeon, Trial or Arena with a PvP Item equipped, all 5piece bonuses become disabled.
When entering into Cyrodiil, Imperial City or a Battleground with a PvE Item equipped, all 5 piece bonuses become disabled.
Allow ALL PvP gear to come with an Minor Aegis equivalent balanced towards PvP combat in a 5 piece bonus.
Any time Gear buffs or nerfs are a required, the ZoS team could do so without impacting either aspect of the game and could put more attention into Skills impact without the worry of how PvP and PvE items would affect crossover.
Edit: Open world content would be unaffected. Instanced content would be impacted. Dungeons, Battlegrounds, Trials, Cyrodiil etc etc
Edited by Tafvsulke on November 10, 2021 5:13PM Concept:
Separate PvP and PvE gear. Any equipable item that is obtainable through Dungeons, Trials, or Arenas be flagged as PvE Item.
Any equipable item that is obtainable through Cyrodiil, Imperial City or Battlegrounds be flagged as PvP Item.
When entering into a Dungeon, Trial or Arena with a PvP Item equipped, all 5piece bonuses become disabled.
When entering into Cyrodiil, Imperial City or a Battleground with a PvE Item equipped, all 5 piece bonuses become disabled.
Allow ALL PvP gear to come with an Minor Aegis equivalent balanced towards PvP combat in a 5 piece bonus.
Any time Gear buffs or nerfs are a required, the ZoS team could do so without impacting either aspect of the game and could put more attention into Skills impact without the worry of how PvP and PvE items would affect crossover.
Edit: Open world content would be unaffected. Instanced content would be impacted. Dungeons, Battlegrounds, Trials, Cyrodiil etc etc
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Syrpynt✭✭✭I like the concept. Edit: Pushback will be on those already 1vX'ing with critical healing+damage builds from PvE. There's a clear bias in opposition to the idea, if all you care about is farming AP from casuals. --Oops, sorry. Didn't mean to step on the toes of streamers.
But I like using PvP gear for PvE stuff too. Is that going to be disabled, vice versa?Edited by Syrpynt on November 10, 2021 5:01PM1 -
Tafvsulke✭✭I like the concept. Edit: Pushback will be on those already 1vX'ing with critical healing+damage builds from PvE. There's a clear bias in opposition to the idea, if all you care about is farming AP from casuals. --Oops, sorry. Didn't mean to step on the toes of streamers.
But I like using PvP gear for PvE stuff too. Is that going to be disabled, vice versa?
Open world would be unaffected. Just Instanced situations: dungeons, battlegrounds, trials, cyro etc0 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t like the idea of limiting gear this way and disabling creative combinations. And as it is, much trial gear already has effects only active in PVE and conversely, Vicious Death only works in PVP. I don’t mind additional sets with such stipulations but I would not like across the board restrictions such as you propose. I am not a super tanky player, a super player of any sort, nor a streamer. But several of my characters I use the same gear for both and creating such a divide would only further segregate players and discourage crossing over.
Finally, I think a lot of the sets that were problematic in PVP were actually designed for PVP — Dark Convergence, for instance.3 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t see a reason why this should happen. A change for the sake of change should not happen.5 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.0
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Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.
Funny thing is, the "minor dueller " would only be active in specific situations. Rember that minor slayer is only active in private instances, not open world. It could not be active in Cyrodiil as a whole or BGs or it becomes meaningless.
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IMO this is a bad idea and completely unnecessary.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As much as I love blaming those darn PVPers for nerfing my precious PVE sets, I can't agree. There are a fair amount of sets that do carry over in both worlds, with Crimson (formerly) being a shining example (thanks for nerfing my dungeon tank set, PVPers
) And I think with the new hybridization there may be more of this
If anything, I wish they could play around with some of the PVP mechanics that would disable or nerf sets while in a PVP setting but remain as is in the PVE zones.0 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.
Funny thing is, the "minor dueller " would only be active in specific situations. Rember that minor slayer is only active in private instances, not open world. It could not be active in Cyrodiil as a whole or BGs or it becomes meaningless.
Yup, that is the idea.
Funny thing, before current patch minor and major slayer had slightly different description: major didn't include Arena. So i had to test it with Necro & Lokke in Vateshran to be sure if it's working ^^0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.
Funny thing is, the "minor dueller " would only be active in specific situations. Rember that minor slayer is only active in private instances, not open world. It could not be active in Cyrodiil as a whole or BGs or it becomes meaningless.
Yup, that is the idea.
Funny thing, before current patch minor and major slayer had slightly different description: major didn't include Arena. So i had to test it with Necro & Lokke in Vateshran to be sure if it's working ^^
This discussion concerns the minor buff, not the major so it does not matter that the description changed on major or that ii behaves differently.0 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.
Funny thing is, the "minor dueller " would only be active in specific situations. Rember that minor slayer is only active in private instances, not open world. It could not be active in Cyrodiil as a whole or BGs or it becomes meaningless.
Yup, that is the idea.
Funny thing, before current patch minor and major slayer had slightly different description: major didn't include Arena. So i had to test it with Necro & Lokke in Vateshran to be sure if it's working ^^
This discussion concerns the minor buff, not the major so it does not matter that the description changed on major or that ii behaves differently.
No, the discussion concerns disabling 5 set bonuses - which is not good idea btw. Imagine that your Deadly Strike became useless in pve -_-
Option for dedicated buff has been mentioned by me as an alternative or pvp equivalent of trial sets/endgame content. So if there is minor, logically there should be major.0 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think a big pve tank frustration is wrestling with doing adequate damage when solo questing without big gear changes. Would love a simple monster set that gives zero tanky benefits but a big damage bonus based on your HP. That would make it simple to just carry around two monster sets - one for solo and one for group tanking. The problem is a HP based damage set would be considered overpowered if allowed in pvp. Not being greedy here I don't think. I just want a main tank to do 10k dps when questing and am fine with my tank's 5k when tanking.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo0 -
TmzOS✭✭It will kill the freedom to mix sets for any situation and the natural flexibility of builds and will require a deep change in the game systems probably... for me a big no for existing sets, for new sets "ok" but not happy if occurs.
A Better way to balance PvP and PvE is creating extra conditions for those situations (a simple example is NO CP Cyro, that disables proc sets).0 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think there's something to be said for motivating players to "cross-train" between the formats. It will make you a better player.
Curse of Doylemish is a good example of how a set can be balanced for PvE and PvP separately.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No thanks!PC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.
Funny thing is, the "minor dueller " would only be active in specific situations. Rember that minor slayer is only active in private instances, not open world. It could not be active in Cyrodiil as a whole or BGs or it becomes meaningless.
Yup, that is the idea.
Funny thing, before current patch minor and major slayer had slightly different description: major didn't include Arena. So i had to test it with Necro & Lokke in Vateshran to be sure if it's working ^^
This discussion concerns the minor buff, not the major so it does not matter that the description changed on major or that ii behaves differently.
No, the discussion concerns disabling 5 set bonuses - which is not good idea btw. Imagine that your Deadly Strike became useless in pve -_-
Option for dedicated buff has been mentioned by me as an alternative or pvp equivalent of trial sets/endgame content. So if there is minor, logically there should be major.
The Op clealry states they want a PvP equivalent of slayer added to the sets and calls it dueler. So this is relevant to discus.0 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.
Funny thing is, the "minor dueller " would only be active in specific situations. Rember that minor slayer is only active in private instances, not open world. It could not be active in Cyrodiil as a whole or BGs or it becomes meaningless.
Yup, that is the idea.
Funny thing, before current patch minor and major slayer had slightly different description: major didn't include Arena. So i had to test it with Necro & Lokke in Vateshran to be sure if it's working ^^
This discussion concerns the minor buff, not the major so it does not matter that the description changed on major or that ii behaves differently.
No, the discussion concerns disabling 5 set bonuses - which is not good idea btw. Imagine that your Deadly Strike became useless in pve -_-
Option for dedicated buff has been mentioned by me as an alternative or pvp equivalent of trial sets/endgame content. So if there is minor, logically there should be major.
The Op clealry states they want a PvP equivalent of slayer added to the sets and calls it dueler. So this is relevant to discus.
No. Read thread again.0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.
Funny thing is, the "minor dueller " would only be active in specific situations. Rember that minor slayer is only active in private instances, not open world. It could not be active in Cyrodiil as a whole or BGs or it becomes meaningless.
Yup, that is the idea.
Funny thing, before current patch minor and major slayer had slightly different description: major didn't include Arena. So i had to test it with Necro & Lokke in Vateshran to be sure if it's working ^^
This discussion concerns the minor buff, not the major so it does not matter that the description changed on major or that ii behaves differently.
No, the discussion concerns disabling 5 set bonuses - which is not good idea btw. Imagine that your Deadly Strike became useless in pve -_-
Option for dedicated buff has been mentioned by me as an alternative or pvp equivalent of trial sets/endgame content. So if there is minor, logically there should be major.
The Op clealry states they want a PvP equivalent of slayer added to the sets and calls it dueler. So this is relevant to discus.
No. Read thread again."Tafvsulke wrote: »
Allow ALL PvP gear to come with an Minor Aegis equivalent balanced towards PvP combat in a 5 piece bonus.
I did, except it is aegis vs slayer so my comment is relative, just mentioned the wrong buff. Your reply concerned the disabling of the 5 PC bonus which is not relevant since they are suggesting this on the PvP gear, which would retain the 5pc bonus.0 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »Adding pvp equivalent to Minor Slayer, lets say Minor Dueller ^^ is max what we can have.
Funny thing is, the "minor dueller " would only be active in specific situations. Rember that minor slayer is only active in private instances, not open world. It could not be active in Cyrodiil as a whole or BGs or it becomes meaningless.
Yup, that is the idea.
Funny thing, before current patch minor and major slayer had slightly different description: major didn't include Arena. So i had to test it with Necro & Lokke in Vateshran to be sure if it's working ^^
This discussion concerns the minor buff, not the major so it does not matter that the description changed on major or that ii behaves differently.
No, the discussion concerns disabling 5 set bonuses - which is not good idea btw. Imagine that your Deadly Strike became useless in pve -_-
Option for dedicated buff has been mentioned by me as an alternative or pvp equivalent of trial sets/endgame content. So if there is minor, logically there should be major.
The Op clealry states they want a PvP equivalent of slayer added to the sets and calls it dueler. So this is relevant to discus.
No. Read thread again."Tafvsulke wrote: »
Allow ALL PvP gear to come with an Minor Aegis equivalent balanced towards PvP combat in a 5 piece bonus.
I did, except it is aegis vs slayer so my comment is relative, just mentioned the wrong buff. Your reply concerned the disabling of the 5 PC bonus which is not relevant since they are suggesting this on the PvP gear, which would retain the 5pc bonus.
And who called it dueller? ^^0
