Furniture mats.

gamergirldk · November 2021

I think its time for these mats to drop from daliy writs... I cant be the only one that think this.. The inflation on EU server is out of control and this will be one way for some price to drop..

I spend alot of my time on Housing and making gold ( i dont lack gold by any means) but i think the prices on matriels have gone through the roof.

Dont Zors have eye on the inflation on the servers?

BlueRaven · November 2021

The one that is particularly hard to get is decorative wax.

But yes, I agree. Also let house mats also be harvestable from surveys please.

TeruKisuke · November 2021

A lot of people have asked for them to drop from Surveys as well, but it would also be nice if they were writ rewards as well. The Housing community goes through an expensive, insufferable, and discouraging grind, so anything to make it better would be really decent and let us know that they care. I already do dailies every day to grind for style mats, I don't need another grind on top of that...

SilverBride · November 2021

The increased cost of the mats is because the supply isn't meeting the demand. There are a few things they can do to help ease this shortage.

Increase the number and frequency of these items that drop from nodes, mobs and containers
Make these obtainable from writ turnins
Make these drop from surveys
Decrease the amount of these needed to craft an item

Seminolegirl1992 · November 2021

Yeah. I want to start decorating on four other homes that I know I couldn't even begin to afford....Antiquarian, Gorinir, HOTLC, and Proudspire are just sitting there unfurnished because of how expensive housing materials are :x

ShawnLaRock · November 2021

Just wait until people start needing these mats for New Life Charity Writs… oof.

S.

Seminolegirl1992 · November 2021

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

Just wait until people start needing these mats for New Life Charity Writs… oof.

S.

Riiiiiight?!

Dojohoda · November 2021

My first thought is to keep it as it is and let us, who fully harvest the nodes, profit.

That said, I rarely list furnishing mats on the trader. Maybe I should start listing them on the trader. If we mat tycoons didn't sit on the mats, maybe prices would be a tad bit lower.

Edit: I looked around at prices of the housing mats and, dang, those items are expensive.

Chaos2088 · November 2021

Thing is to the people who go around and buy up all the matts to reset/bend the market to their own benefit. (We know it happens) You are only going to push the community to wanting a different system and zos reacting to that by changing the system so players cannot gate keep stuff like this too wildly, therefore ruining it for yourselves….

spartaxoxo · November 2021

We definitely need this increase in supply.

Shawn_PT · November 2021

The ability to deconstruct furniture and recover some of the mats might alleviate the issue slightly.

WithMyLaserGun · November 2021

The heartwood situation is depressing. I have a friend who has just started playing and really loves furnishing, but it's almost impossible for him to craft anything with Heartwood because it's over 1.2k a piece right now.

Please lower the amount of items these Charity Writs require and increase the drop rate for furnishing mats. This is just getting worse every year with these writs.

SilverBride · November 2021

Shawn_PT wrote: »

The ability to deconstruct furniture and recover some of the mats might alleviate the issue slightly.

This is an excellent idea!

FluffWit · November 2021

I just delete enchanting surveys now because they're not worth my time.

On ps4 NA Mundanes are like 80k a stack, Heartwood 50k. It just sucks the fun out of housing when crafting a table and four chairs uses 20k in mats and effectively makes housing end game content.

The other housing mats drop rates seem fine really. But something needs to be done about the two I mentioned.

Wandering_Immigrant · November 2021

It's good for the economy for housing to be an expensive hobby. It's one of the bigger gold grinds in the game and the only craft related system with deep itemization. This is not only good for the people going out of their way to farm and sell these mats for a source of income, but also encourages housing enthusiasts to get out there and make some gold from other sources in order to afford their hobby. And that's good for the game, gold exchanging hands is healthy for any MMO. It creates a sort of disconnected cooperative play where two players who would never interact with each other due to having completely different interests and play styles are able to indirectly support each other's preferred activities by way of supplying each other with the tools they need to accomplish their goals. This is an integral part of the MMO ecosystem.

I know most won't agree with this assessment. For reference I'm speaking as a housing enthusiast and buyer of housing mats, never a seller. So I understand where the OP is coming from, but I also know without those expenses I wouldn't have nearly as much use for all the gold I accumulate, and so would be far less motivated to do a large number of the things I do in game, and would get bored with it much faster.

That said, a small chance of them dropping from their related surveys I think would be fair and healthy. I think we could all use a bit more motivation to bother doing surveys instead of just letting them accumulate.

Nanfoodle · November 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

The increased cost of the mats is because the supply isn't meeting the demand. There are a few things they can do to help ease this shortage.
Increase the number and frequency of these items that drop from nodes, mobs and containers

Make these obtainable from writ turnins

Make these drop from surveys

Decrease the amount of these needed to craft an item

Funny I have plenty. Everyone speed running through the game. When I do a dungeon with the speed run community, I go back and open all the backpacks, crates and sacks.

When I enter and public dungeon and that guy chain pulling 20 to 30 mobs at a go. I go behind them and open the backpacks, crates and sacks. When things respawn. I kill things. I have lots of the supplies people keep yelling are in short supply.

SilverBride · November 2021

Nanfoodle wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The increased cost of the mats is because the supply isn't meeting the demand. There are a few things they can do to help ease this shortage.
Increase the number and frequency of these items that drop from nodes, mobs and containers

Make these obtainable from writ turnins

Make these drop from surveys

Decrease the amount of these needed to craft an item

Funny I have plenty. Everyone speed running through the game. When I do a dungeon with the speed run community, I go back and open all the backpacks, crates and sacks.

When I enter and public dungeon and that guy chain pulling 20 to 30 mobs at a go. I go behind them and open the backpacks, crates and sacks. When things respawn. I kill things. I have lots of the supplies people keep yelling are in short supply.

I open everything I see and harvest nodes when I am out running around, yet I still only have a fraction of what I will need to furnish our new free house. These will be eaten up very quickly.

Nanfoodle · November 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

Nanfoodle wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The increased cost of the mats is because the supply isn't meeting the demand. There are a few things they can do to help ease this shortage.
Increase the number and frequency of these items that drop from nodes, mobs and containers

Make these obtainable from writ turnins

Make these drop from surveys

Decrease the amount of these needed to craft an item

Funny I have plenty. Everyone speed running through the game. When I do a dungeon with the speed run community, I go back and open all the backpacks, crates and sacks.

When I enter and public dungeon and that guy chain pulling 20 to 30 mobs at a go. I go behind them and open the backpacks, crates and sacks. When things respawn. I kill things. I have lots of the supplies people keep yelling are in short supply.

I open everything I see and harvest nodes when I am out running around, yet I still only have a fraction of what I will need to furnish our new free house. These will be eaten up very quickly.

It's a notable home. Should you be able to fill it up in a week's worth of work? Also, Zeni has given us the Armory System. Making a gathering / crafting build. I often get 3 Heartwood on a gather. I have gotten 10 resources off a single node.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · November 2021

Surveys should give/have chance for furniture material along with having the drop chance increase from normal nodes. The demand is so much higher than the supply and events like New Life just makes it worse and worse for every year. The supply needs to be increased.

SilverBride · November 2021

Nanfoodle wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Nanfoodle wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The increased cost of the mats is because the supply isn't meeting the demand. There are a few things they can do to help ease this shortage.
Increase the number and frequency of these items that drop from nodes, mobs and containers

Make these obtainable from writ turnins

Make these drop from surveys

Decrease the amount of these needed to craft an item

Funny I have plenty. Everyone speed running through the game. When I do a dungeon with the speed run community, I go back and open all the backpacks, crates and sacks.

When I enter and public dungeon and that guy chain pulling 20 to 30 mobs at a go. I go behind them and open the backpacks, crates and sacks. When things respawn. I kill things. I have lots of the supplies people keep yelling are in short supply.

I open everything I see and harvest nodes when I am out running around, yet I still only have a fraction of what I will need to furnish our new free house. These will be eaten up very quickly.

It's a notable home. Should you be able to fill it up in a week's worth of work? Also, Zeni has given us the Armory System. Making a gathering / crafting build. I often get 3 Heartwood on a gather. I have gotten 10 resources off a single node.

I already have all the crafting CP and skills on 3 characters. The truth is that the supply doesn't meet the demand and it could use some tweaking.

Amottica · November 2021

I expect inflation is out of control because demand is outstripping what players are providing. Like any other crafting matt, the idea is for more players to get busy farming matts to sell or use for themselves. As such it is unlikely Zenimax will, or even should, make it easier to get such matts.

LadySinflower · November 2021

Since they will not give us a separate furniture inventory similar to the craft bag, it would be really nice to be able to deconstruct furnishings and recover some of the materials. They could restrict it to furnishings that we crafted ourselves so that people wouldn't decon crown furnishings trying to cash in on mats dropped from them. As ridiculous as that sounds because of how much crown furnishings cost, you know people would do it. But yes, you all are right, something needs to be done. Some days I just go out and farm mats, spending hours doing nothing but harvesting nodes. I never sell them and I have very small stacks in my inventory. It really discourages me from doing housing. I bought Daggerfall Overlook over a year ago and it sits empty because I can't afford to make furnishings for it.

LadyDestiny · November 2021

I came back after being away for about six months and noticed a drastic change in mats and also designs. Where are all the furniture plans? I keep getting the same old green ones from containers and have yet to even find even a blue. Very few mats as well.
Did zos nerf all this? The cost of furniture plans has also skyrocketed on guild traders. I use to love taking a day out just to pickpocket and loot containers to maje some cash, but it just seems pointless now when all I get is garbage.

TeruKisuke · November 2021

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

It's good for the economy for housing to be an expensive hobby. It's one of the bigger gold grinds in the game and the only craft related system with deep itemization. This is not only good for the people going out of their way to farm and sell these mats for a source of income, but also encourages housing enthusiasts to get out there and make some gold from other sources in order to afford their hobby. And that's good for the game, gold exchanging hands is healthy for any MMO. It creates a sort of disconnected cooperative play where two players who would never interact with each other due to having completely different interests and play styles are able to indirectly support each other's preferred activities by way of supplying each other with the tools they need to accomplish their goals. This is an integral part of the MMO ecosystem.

I know most won't agree with this assessment. For reference I'm speaking as a housing enthusiast and buyer of housing mats, never a seller. So I understand where the OP is coming from, but I also know without those expenses I wouldn't have nearly as much use for all the gold I accumulate, and so would be far less motivated to do a large number of the things I do in game, and would get bored with it much faster.

That said, a small chance of them dropping from their related surveys I think would be fair and healthy. I think we could all use a bit more motivation to bother doing surveys instead of just letting them accumulate.

Housing enthusiasts should not be the sacrifice on the pyre "for the sake of the economy." We already spend way more crowns than everyone to keep up with it, spend millions more gold than those who don't partake in it, and the sad thing is that most players don't even touch it because the grind is so notorious.

Everything costs so much. I am forced to do dailies every day for style mats, something I don't enjoy. I am forced to take 1.5-2 hours out of my day to do crafting writs to get gold and mats to sell, something that I don't enjoy. I haven't had time to partake in much other content in the game because I'm too busy doing the same exact content grinding for it. It can be expensive, but not to the point where it impacts player enjoyment, and causes severe burnout just to be able to be a little bit artistic, and to allow players to prey on and discourage the artistic ones. We are the only ones suffering for this economy and the amount we pay is unproportionate to the other fields of the game.

Please be sympathetic to the cause. Don't discourage quality-of-life improvements for housing, and encourage the soul-sucking grind it requires. The economy can flourish through other means.

spartaxoxo · November 2021

Amottica wrote: »

I expect inflation is out of control because demand is outstripping what players are providing. Like any other crafting matt, the idea is for more players to get busy farming matts to sell or use for themselves. As such it is unlikely Zenimax will, or even should, make it easier to get such matts.

The price of other crafting mats vs housing are completely out of line with each other. They obviously should. Housing players shouldn't be forced to have little every single thing they do be expensive, unlike every other activity in the game

The plans and homes are already expensive enough, and the nicest furnishings also require gold and purple mats, the basic housing mats shouldn't also be this expensive.

TeruKisuke · November 2021

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

I expect inflation is out of control because demand is outstripping what players are providing. Like any other crafting matt, the idea is for more players to get busy farming matts to sell or use for themselves. As such it is unlikely Zenimax will, or even should, make it easier to get such matts.

The price of other crafting mats vs housing are completely out of line with each other. They obviously should. Housing players shouldn't be forced to have little every single thing they do be expensive, unlike every other activity in the game

The plans and homes are already expensive enough, and the nicest furnishings also require gold and purple mats, the basic housing mats shouldn't also be this expensive.

If I could give you 10 or even 100 hearts, I would.

Olauron · November 2021

You can't buy regular mats from crown store. You can buy almost any craftable furnishing item from the crown store. That means that regular mats can be obtained from writs and surveys, but housing mats can't. This has nothing to do with in-game economy, this is completely for the crown economy.

Raideen · November 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

The increased cost of the mats is because the supply isn't meeting the demand. There are a few things they can do to help ease this shortage.
Increase the number and frequency of these items that drop from nodes, mobs and containers

Make these obtainable from writ turnins

Make these drop from surveys

Decrease the amount of these needed to craft an item

I would disagree.

The reason for the cost of the mats is because the best way to make money is to flip white craft bag materials (especially items for furnishing). I have spoken to guild traders and "popular" streamers that talk about how to make money in ESO and the issue is that the people with 10's of millions are buying up all these mats as soon as they are listed and increasing the price up to 100 fold in many cases. You can observe this by visiting any popular trader and note the same seller listing 10 stacks of 200x decorating wax.

The supply is there, but only the rich now are able to afford the materials. I for one will not be spending 1000 gold for a decorative wax, or 1200 gold for a heartwood or 3 to 5k for an ivory brigade clasp.

The only way this will be fixed is either by
Making these materials so easy to farm that no one would need to purchase them, that an hour farming session would allow for an hour of crafting and decorating or something.

OR eliminate the API that TTC and Master Merchant use to gather data. Because they go against the spirit of the "decentralized auction house" concept with guild traders and merge them in effect to a central auction house. Once these are removed, flipping will be much more time consuming and you will find less folks doing it.

Until then, people who want to decorate their homes are under a stranglehold by the flippers.

Olauron · November 2021

Raideen wrote: »

The only way this will be fixed is either by
1
OR 2

Another way is to make everything bought from guild store bound and set unbound mats to be used first when crafting (just like mats from the craft bag are used before the mats from inventory). That would effectively double the number of items in craft bag, but it is not really matter. Inventory has already stacks with max capacity, so it will have minimum effect on inventory space.

Nurable · November 2021

The ability to deconstruct furniture to get back mats would be useful. It doesn't make any sense that we can't do that right now.

James-Wayne · November 2021

Increase the drop rate, allow us to purchase mats with gold or reduce the amount needed for crafting pieces.

It's time ZOS got their economy in line.