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Is vampire still worth it's costs after next patch?
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Is vampire still worth it's costs after next patch? 131 votes
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✭✭✭I only use it on one thief, PvE character, for its passive to be perfectly honest.10 -
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✭There are a few niche stealth and PvP applications and some high risk Fury PvE off-meta builds. Just as before, minus the Mist Form niche.0 -
Neatle✭✭Of course it is
Every single nightblade will keep using it in PvP
Some MagDPS or even stamdps (MagPlar/MagDen can use it too) will most likely still use it and they're competitive players
you all talk about vampire like it's total garbage-tier you need to be more accurate
From a PvP vampire stamplar, and a PvP vampire Stamblade8 -
TiberX✭✭✭✭Will be a very niche thing. Fast thieves in PVE and some specific builds in PVP.Officer of Ghosts and Goblins3 -
Michaelkeir✭✭✭✭✭I have a few vampires; 1 pvp and 3 pve (tank, stam DPS and mag DPS). As much as I love my vampires, they simply aren’t worth it. Especially from a pve perspective. The negatives vastly outweigh the positives. I mostly play at stage 4 on all of them, so I take a big hit to my resources, but with the proper gear I can manage to clear content with some of them.
My pvp perspective is slightly better, but mainly for my gank play style. By the time I’m out of resources my target is long dead and I only have an issue in prolonged battles. The passives help, but it still is a pain on my resources at stage 4.
I’ve been asked why play in stage 4 and my response is, why be a vampire if I don’t feed regular? I want to actually feel like a vampire so I feed regularly.
So long story the answer for me is mostly no. Mostly due to having to go out your way to build around a weakness for little to no gain.11 -
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✭✭As mentioned above lots of roleplay and niche gameplay opportunities, but if you don't make use of these then it's not worth the cost.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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✭✭Of course it is
Every single nightblade will keep using it in PvP
Some MagDPS or even stamdps (MagPlar/MagDen can use it too) will most likely still use it and they're competitive players
you all talk about vampire like it's total garbage-tier you need to be more accurate
From a PvP vampire stamplar, and a PvP vampire Stamblade
So garage tier for pve?0 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It lost it's end game viability after the Pale Order Ring nerf. The only things going for it are PvP related and the Mistform nerf does nerf it in PvP to during keep fights and the Imperial City.
The only things vampire will be viable at next patch is solo PvE with Blood for Blood giving close to infinite sustain, ganking in PvP with Blood Frenzy, cheesing PvE content solo with the stage 4 passive, and stage 3 passive for PvP. And even with all these things you can do them just as well if not better as a mortal.
Edit: And if you do decide to go stage 4 vampire in PvP with an ability like Blood for Blood you're going to need a super niche and specialized build to pull it off. There will be times the build might not even work like in group fights where your opponents are benefitting from cross healing, but you will not. You'll find yourself also having to use the Swarming Scion ultimate to make up for all the shortcomings of being a vampire, and this form costs 254 ultimate at stage 4 and lasts for only 20 seconds. Even then I think the only reason I have this opinion is because I play a Dragonknight which has access to the Battle Roar passive. Anyone else that activates the vampire ultimate won't get Magicka and stamina back on top of the full heal so don't really benefit as much from the extra resources.
Essentially pure vampire builds are only useful for Magicka melee fighters with ways to combat the high health costs and increased costs of their normal abilities. This narrows down who can reliably use it by a lot, and now these melee fighters are losing a very important repositioning ability because someone decided that it should only mitigate player damage since some tank used it in a single trial. Sure they can still use it in PvP but now it won't mitigate lava damage in Battlegrounds if someone pulls them down there, won't mitigate Imperial City boss damage if you so happen to be ganked, and you are making a very risky play mistforming into a keep under siege since the NPCs around the corner are gonna aggro on you.Edited by Vevvev on October 30, 2021 5:40PMPC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK4 -
propertyOfUndefined✭✭✭✭✭It will be the same in PVP, but useless to me anywhere else. One has to wonder of it’s part of the plan to make players buy more Armory slots. I mean, it makes sense. You can be mortal most times, but a vampire in pvp . Kinda kills my immersion though…
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PieMaster1✭✭✭✭I just came back to the game again and bought Necromancer while making him a vamp..Will i really be gimping myself going full magicka vamp?0
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Nova Sky✭✭✭✭✭Meanwhile, werewolves are like, "What nerfs?"
"Wheresoever you go, go with all of your heart."6 -
Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭FeedbackOnly wrote: »garage tier
the friendly alterative to "garbage tier", we have "garage tier".
as in, you put it in the garage and forget about it.
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Adremal✭✭✭✭✭Their skills are confined to niche departments and PvP (even that's a stretch, full werewolves builds are viable, full vampire builds are not). They also got hit with an uncalled for nerf to blood mist. So no, they aren't worth it. Can't wait for the patch to hit so I can swap between WOOOSH invisible run (pretty much the only thing vampires are fun for, not even useful because most classes can match the speed/mob skipping through other means) and a normal, vampire-less build without drawbacks.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Their skills are confined to niche departments and PvP (even that's a stretch, full werewolves builds are viable, full vampire builds are not). They also got hit with an uncalled for nerf to blood mist. So no, they aren't worth it. Can't wait for the patch to hit so I can swap between WOOOSH invisible run (pretty much the only thing vampires are fun for, not even useful because most classes can match the speed/mob skipping through other means) and a normal, vampire-less build without drawbacks.
It's just ridiculous they are nerfing Blood Mist again. They had already nerfed it into near uselessness. But I guess that wasn't good enough. There must have been a player somewhere still using it.Edited by Jeremy on October 30, 2021 8:49PM6 -
Adremal✭✭✭✭✭Their skills are confined to niche departments and PvP (even that's a stretch, full werewolves builds are viable, full vampire builds are not). They also got hit with an uncalled for nerf to blood mist. So no, they aren't worth it. Can't wait for the patch to hit so I can swap between WOOOSH invisible run (pretty much the only thing vampires are fun for, not even useful because most classes can match the speed/mob skipping through other means) and a normal, vampire-less build without drawbacks.
It's just ridiculous they are nerfing Blood Mist again. They had already nerfed it into near uselessness. But I guess that wasn't good enough. There must have been a player somewhere still using it.
Wasn't even aware they were nerfing it again, useless as they had made it to me. I don't know how to react to yet another nerf, whether to remain speechless or give in to hysterical laughter.2 -
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✭✭✭✭I would say it all depends. Ever since they mangled the ulti's I haven't cared for it other than for RPG purposesTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Their skills are confined to niche departments and PvP (even that's a stretch, full werewolves builds are viable, full vampire builds are not). They also got hit with an uncalled for nerf to blood mist. So no, they aren't worth it. Can't wait for the patch to hit so I can swap between WOOOSH invisible run (pretty much the only thing vampires are fun for, not even useful because most classes can match the speed/mob skipping through other means) and a normal, vampire-less build without drawbacks.
Blood Mist??? No, they're nerfing all of Mistform! Mistform and both morphs only mitigate player based attacks meaning NPCs and environmental damage will not be mitigated. It'll be as if you were standing as your mortal self.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
Michaelkeir✭✭✭✭✭CreamedPieYum wrote: »I just came back to the game again and bought Necromancer while making him a vamp..Will i really be gimping myself going full magicka vamp?
Yes. Very much so. Even at lower stages you don’t gain that much power vs how many draw backs you gain. Higher stages of vampirism simply compound this issue making you even weaker. You could build around the higher resources cost by bring a Breton, using False God piece’s, using mag cost reduction enchantments, and using Blood for Blood as your spam-able. But you are potentially giving up a lot of damage for cost reduction.
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✭✭✭✭✭I don’t know what is changing in the next update. I’m not into vampires or any undead generally, but I might consider one if the ultimate wasn’t sooo ugly!
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Adremal✭✭✭✭✭Their skills are confined to niche departments and PvP (even that's a stretch, full werewolves builds are viable, full vampire builds are not). They also got hit with an uncalled for nerf to blood mist. So no, they aren't worth it. Can't wait for the patch to hit so I can swap between WOOOSH invisible run (pretty much the only thing vampires are fun for, not even useful because most classes can match the speed/mob skipping through other means) and a normal, vampire-less build without drawbacks.
Blood Mist??? No, they're nerfing all of Mistform! Mistform and both morphs only mitigate player based attacks meaning NPCs and environmental damage will not be mitigated. It'll be as if you were standing as your mortal self.
At this point they might as well replace the skill with "vampiric suicide". One morph could be comedic, kind of like Leslie Nielsen's death in "Dracula: Dead and Loving It", and the other one could be on the dramatic, serious side.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Their skills are confined to niche departments and PvP (even that's a stretch, full werewolves builds are viable, full vampire builds are not). They also got hit with an uncalled for nerf to blood mist. So no, they aren't worth it. Can't wait for the patch to hit so I can swap between WOOOSH invisible run (pretty much the only thing vampires are fun for, not even useful because most classes can match the speed/mob skipping through other means) and a normal, vampire-less build without drawbacks.
Blood Mist??? No, they're nerfing all of Mistform! Mistform and both morphs only mitigate player based attacks meaning NPCs and environmental damage will not be mitigated. It'll be as if you were standing as your mortal self.
At this point they might as well replace the skill with "vampiric suicide". One morph could be comedic, kind of like Leslie Nielsen's death in "Dracula: Dead and Loving It", and the other one could be on the dramatic, serious side.
We already have that. Blood Frenzy + Mistform. Even Sated Fury can't heal you when it ends while in Mistform.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CreamedPieYum wrote: »I just came back to the game again and bought Necromancer while making him a vamp..Will i really be gimping myself going full magicka vamp?
Better than a stamina vamp, but yes you are gimping yourself. Only thing vampire offers a Necromancer is an instant cast stun because Necro is a horrible class for melee combat, but even then you'd be better off using Flame Clench because Mesmerize and it's morphs require the target to be looking at you. Heck, Dawnbreaker is a better cone based stun than Mesmerize because it lacks that rule.
Cone attacks are 90 degrees, and the looking at you rule means there is a 90 degree cone in front your target you must be standing in. 45 degrees to the right or left of where your target is facing, and that leads to positioning desyncs and targets running from you making ability completely useless.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
Adremal✭✭✭✭✭Their skills are confined to niche departments and PvP (even that's a stretch, full werewolves builds are viable, full vampire builds are not). They also got hit with an uncalled for nerf to blood mist. So no, they aren't worth it. Can't wait for the patch to hit so I can swap between WOOOSH invisible run (pretty much the only thing vampires are fun for, not even useful because most classes can match the speed/mob skipping through other means) and a normal, vampire-less build without drawbacks.
Blood Mist??? No, they're nerfing all of Mistform! Mistform and both morphs only mitigate player based attacks meaning NPCs and environmental damage will not be mitigated. It'll be as if you were standing as your mortal self.
At this point they might as well replace the skill with "vampiric suicide". One morph could be comedic, kind of like Leslie Nielsen's death in "Dracula: Dead and Loving It", and the other one could be on the dramatic, serious side.
We already have that. Blood Frenzy + Mistform. Even Sated Fury can't heal you when it ends while in Mistform.
Just tested it, sadly it doesn't allow you to actually kill yourself. Plus I'd want something comedic, something like the Orb of Magnus memento, except you'd explode in a shower of gore and cinders instead of shrugging off the light.0 -
drsalvation✭✭✭✭✭I'm glad vampires got an overhaul, but they need a lot of work.
First of all, there should be a stage 0, none of the drawbacks (except for extra fire damage, you'll still get extra fire damage at stage 0), your skin looking normal (still red eyes), BUT you can't cast any vampire skills other than biting others.
This alone makes it a necessity if you want to user your vamp skills.
I currently find myself staying at stage 1 because the advanced stages cause me more harm than good, and now that elusive mist is going to be purely for PvP, then I have no need for vampirism.
At stage 0, your skills wouldn't cost more, you could pass for a normal person and your character won't have that ugly looking pale-skin (because how stupid are the citizens of the game that they don't recognize a pale dude with red eyes being a vampire? And why does your character seem surprised every time someone is "smart" enough to recognize their vampirism?).
This way, if you want to use ANY vampire skill, you WILL need to bite some people and risk getting caught, it makes it a necessity (unless you have the mara drinks)
It's dumb that mist form is getting nerfed to purely PvP, they could've at least nerfed it to 50% in PvE and 75% in PvP, but for some reason it's just completely useless in PvE now, and everybody knows PvP sucks for so many reasons.
Vampire lord should be sustainable like werewolf form, best you can get from it is a bat swarm AoE, the other morph is really useless. You just don't get any nerfs from vampirism and get the buffs from it. It would be more useful if you could extend your transformation the same way werewolves do.
Eviscerate is kinda cool, but for a reverse execution, the extra damage isn't that great
Blood frenzy is kinda cool , but the exponential increase of health cost makes it more harmful than beneficial, especially as a tank (you're just throwing away your most valuable resource for damage you're not even gonna notice). It's very hard to sustain, best you can do is toggle it on before you start your burst combo and then turn it off. So it's only good for PvP, and as I mentioned above, PvP sucks in so many ways.
Vampiric drain is a nice way to restore health, especially as a tank, completely worthless in PvP (one of many reasons why PvP sucks)
Mesmerize is nice to stun enemies, but if you have sword and shield, but there are other ways to stun enemies AND do damage, mesmerize doesn't do any damage. It IS AoE, so it would be cool in PvP if you're surrounded, but not as much worth it, since players will just break free, granting you half a second to turn to mist form, which you can do without having to stun them first anyway.
Mist form, rest in peace. It's a worthless piece of crap skill in PvE, only useful in PvP (you know what I have to say about PvP)
Honestly, you don't get much value from vampirism at all unless you're a thief or you like sneaking up on players. If you're a tank, you're not getting any benefits from vampirism other than the cool almost instant heal, but you're always getting a hit on your health recovery (-10% is still a lot in stage 1, which is why I think we need a stage 0). Your abilities will ALWAYS cost more (3% more at stage 1, 12% more at stage 4, again, as a tank, your sustain is already trash, and now having to use more resources for skills is not a viable way to go), and the cost of vampire abilities gets reduced, but not really worth it considering your abilities are mostly useless and that there are better alternatives.
At least the ultimate works well enough to fully recover your health, it's the best use I've found for it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Their skills are confined to niche departments and PvP (even that's a stretch, full werewolves builds are viable, full vampire builds are not). They also got hit with an uncalled for nerf to blood mist. So no, they aren't worth it. Can't wait for the patch to hit so I can swap between WOOOSH invisible run (pretty much the only thing vampires are fun for, not even useful because most classes can match the speed/mob skipping through other means) and a normal, vampire-less build without drawbacks.
Blood Mist??? No, they're nerfing all of Mistform! Mistform and both morphs only mitigate player based attacks meaning NPCs and environmental damage will not be mitigated. It'll be as if you were standing as your mortal self.
At this point they might as well replace the skill with "vampiric suicide". One morph could be comedic, kind of like Leslie Nielsen's death in "Dracula: Dead and Loving It", and the other one could be on the dramatic, serious side.
We already have that. Blood Frenzy + Mistform. Even Sated Fury can't heal you when it ends while in Mistform.
Just tested it, sadly it doesn't allow you to actually kill yourself. Plus I'd want something comedic, something like the Orb of Magnus memento, except you'd explode in a shower of gore and cinders instead of shrugging off the light.
It... takes extra steps. Get a wild wolf or a cliff and it should work! PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
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✭For all classes in solo PvP, in my bad opinion if you're not running Stage 4 you need to work on your build. The combination of passives is worth several 5 piece sets.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1
