If you do not like speedrunning the dungeons do not speed run the dungeons. My friends and myself, while we do move fast we do not speed run. We kill everything.

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

Rich Lambert said that making a storymod for group content is silly, since dungeons are designed for challenge content. So don't wait ...

I agree with this... which is why dungeons (and trials) shouldn't have stories.

My reply to OP: Was speed running dungeons *ever* fun? I can't stand just rush rush rushing through it.

If Rich actually said that, they should kill the dungeons quests altogether and give the skillpoint to everyone the first time they complete the dungeon. I’m sick of speedrunners who make it impossible for my low level alts to finish the quest and get the skillpoint.

I really do not understand what the issue is with speedrunners. We normally do the dungeon at a normal pace and kill everything.

If using the GF and getting speedrunners, well, we are asking for a random group that could include speedrunners when we queue solo. Form your group from your guilds. If that is a problem with the current selection of guilds fthen ind better guilds.

I think I have been asked maybe four times to wait and slow down in the five years of playing this game…

Honestly I'd rather have the speedy people than the guys who have to loot every container.

I did have one very nice PUG the other night when my FPS was stuck at 2 and they didn't kick me even though they finished the dungeon without me. Nice to get the credit even though I did nothing (not my own choice)!

bathynomusESO wrote: »

Speed running dungeons is not fun anymore. Yes, at first, I was thinking this is great xp, loot, etc. Now we don't even have time to enjoy the dungeons. It's a race for people to just keep up. One poor new person said they didn't even have stamina left by the time they got to the boss because they used it all on sprinting. The vet players can take a boss down in seconds. To top it all off, if you complain or ask them to slow down, you get met with trash talk and added to their ignore list.

Speed running was never fun to me.

But you're right, the damage has gotten to the point that it overwhelms much of the content. This is a problem generally with the game though. The landscape content for example is just pathetic for a high-end offensive veteran character. Most mobs will die before they can even touch you. In PvP it's much the same, and any character who is focused by multiple players will be lucky if they live through their CC break animation.

I wish they would tone the damage down on this game, because it's just too high when compared to other aspects of the game. But the developers of this game have always favored damage over everything else when it comes to balancing. I think they like it that way.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I wish they would tone the damage down on this game, because it's just too high when compared to other aspects of the game. But the developers of this game have always favored damage over everything else when it comes to balancing. I think they like it that way.

No. It really is not. The damage is perfectly tuned when vet players are doing vet content, with some achievements already basically impossible for 99.99% of the playerbase. Instead of constantly nerfing people for no good reason whatsoever, people should stop using endgame builds for tutorial level content or accept that it will trivialize that content. The only thing needed is to add a story mode to pull people trying to roleplay out of rnd for that, and some a challenge mode to the overland story bosses. That's about the only times there's any legit conflict between playersbase power levels.

Enough

I do vet level content and am not anywhere near the top .01% of the playerbase. I would not even suggest I am in the top 25%.

Heck, when I was near CP160, which seems to be an important milestone, I often out dpsed the entire group based on the combat metrics addon and I was the healer. Yes, I was still healing and no one died. I was mostly doing wall of elements, heavy attacks, and a siphoning skill from time to time.

I also realize that when I queue solo then I am asking for random players with random interests and that is exactly what I end up with. It is the choice I made.

Double the transmutes & xp for vet.

Ksariyu wrote: »

Now for some of these other posts. . .

colossalvoids wrote: »

Advice of the month - don't expect literally anything in random dungeon finder, it's not a primary way to play dungeons anyway as random people generally have way different goals and skills. You can't change thousands people's minds by a post in socials, better find a way to enjoy it for yourself.

It is in fact the primary way to play dungeons. The number of posts you see on these forums is pretty indicative of how many people rely on the Dungeon Finder to do them at all. Without the finder, I'd have had to solo literally 95% of the dungeons I've completed, because there's certainly nobody offering to group for them.

If it is the easiest / laziest route doesn't mean it was created for this purpose. RDF is a tool, not a primary way to engage in activity. Take some HM's that need coordination, some pugs won't be able to compete them even if you'll give them hours.

Obviously most people go into dungeons in such way because it's easy and you don't really need to communicate but any failure is on them not finding proper people instead.

Elsonso wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The fact that they are adding the "Join Encounter in Progress" feature to a test batch of dungeons next patch, and have stated they plan to add to all of them, tells you everything you know about ZOS's position on this. Keep up or we will do it for you.

I have no idea how this feature will work.

When someone pushes the boss you'll be ported to them after short delay not being locked out cause doors or being unable to catch up like in all recent content.

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

ZOS needs to fix the new player experience ASAP!
Right now some players are destroying the game.

QFT.

NEW players cannot even follow VETs anymore in NORMAL dungeons.
Therefore, new players often cannot even get the dungeon quest done.

This is why I suggested months ago that
NORMAL dungeon queues SHOULD BE BLOCKED for VET characters.
As VET dungeons queues ARE BLOCKED for NON-VET characters.

Let people EARN their rewards.

Out of curiosity, who is defining "VET" here? I know plenty of people in the 600-1000 CP (and higher) range who hit like wet noodles and die constantly. Trust me, you do not want those people in a potentially random veteran DLC dungeon, and, more importantly, they don't want to be there either. I don't want to queue up for my daily random as a tank and get a healer who is out-DPSing both DDs combined, spending much more time than we should otherwise be. Or queue as a healer and be out-DPSing the DDs. Nor, particularly, do I want to queue as a DD and have to "carry" others. None of those things are my idea of fun. You speak of "earning," something I'm all for, by the way, but being forced into any of those situations is only putting undue strain on certain members of the group more than others.

But, as I've said in the past, all these issues are "fixed" by making your own group. Same with new players. If you want to roleplay walk through a dungeon, explore every nook, loot every urn, crate, or basket, and listen to the intricasies of the story, form your own group with friends, guild mates, or otherwise like-minded players. Random activity is exactly what you get. Random dungeon and random group. One thing I do wish ZOS would do, however, is make the stories player based and not group based. I've been in situations before, even in a pre-made group, where one person is just a faster reader, and they just press continue... and suddenly I'm locked out of dialogue.

In more recent DLC dungeons, story has less relevance and there's rarely any hold up. You accept the quest at the beginning, there's rarely any new dialogue, you speed run it and turn the quest in at the end.

Vaults of Madness still exists, though. I can't count the number of times I've just plain forgotten to speak to an NPC along the way. But that's just me. That's not a group or speed issue.

AlnilamE wrote: »

Franchise408 wrote: »

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

Rich Lambert said that making a storymod for group content is silly, since dungeons are designed for challenge content. So don't wait ...

I agree with this... which is why dungeons (and trials) shouldn't have stories.

My reply to OP: Was speed running dungeons *ever* fun? I can't stand just rush rush rushing through it.

If dungeons and trials don't have stories, there's no reason to go there.

Honestly, if you want to do a "story mode" fully kit out your companion and find 1 other person that also wants to do story mode 2 players and 2 companions should be able to get through the majority of normal dungeons, including DLCs. If you do hit a snag, you can always find a third person.

Sure there is, for the challenge.

I've been doing dungeons regularly for years. Probably my main content.

I couldn't tell you the storyline of a single one of them.