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To all those crybabies asking for vampire nerf. I will educate you!
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Because you guys dont read skill descriptions properly I will clear things for you.
Since 90% of you do not know what they are talking about and do not know how to be effective in pvp, i am also assuming that most of you are bandwagoners who want to cry nerf even though you have no clue what is really going on.
The Ultimate cost reduction is not the main problem why vampires are OP! The Ultimate bat swarm is also not the problem why vampire is op! The reason why they are op is because of the mistform bug.
Mistform, according to tooltip, states that while in mistform, vampires should not receive any sorts of healing. But at the moment, if someone casted rapid regen + mutagen on you and youre in mistform, you will still get healed. Also if you cast bat swarm and casted mistform, you will still be able to life leech. THIS IS WHAT MAKE VAMPS OVERPOWERED AND IMMORTAL.
So instead of throwing tantrums about ult and cost reduction, shout at zos in fixing mistform bug.
If vamps run on the middle of the zerg with mistform on, regardless if they spam bat swarm or not, they will 100% drop fast because they will have no ability to heal themselves. If instead they decided to spam bat swarm and not mistform, the 50% dmg from fire attacks will drop them faster than they can heal themselves with devouring swarm.
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MISTFORM needs to get fixed ASAP to avoid talentless people crying vamps are op even though they dont take the time to actually learn how to counter them properly. It is the main cause why vamps are unkillable.
Not because they can spam ult, not because they have reduce resource reduction but because they can still heal even though they have 75% dmg reduction
Since 90% of you do not know what they are talking about and do not know how to be effective in pvp, i am also assuming that most of you are bandwagoners who want to cry nerf even though you have no clue what is really going on.
The Ultimate cost reduction is not the main problem why vampires are OP! The Ultimate bat swarm is also not the problem why vampire is op! The reason why they are op is because of the mistform bug.
Mistform, according to tooltip, states that while in mistform, vampires should not receive any sorts of healing. But at the moment, if someone casted rapid regen + mutagen on you and youre in mistform, you will still get healed. Also if you cast bat swarm and casted mistform, you will still be able to life leech. THIS IS WHAT MAKE VAMPS OVERPOWERED AND IMMORTAL.
So instead of throwing tantrums about ult and cost reduction, shout at zos in fixing mistform bug.
If vamps run on the middle of the zerg with mistform on, regardless if they spam bat swarm or not, they will 100% drop fast because they will have no ability to heal themselves. If instead they decided to spam bat swarm and not mistform, the 50% dmg from fire attacks will drop them faster than they can heal themselves with devouring swarm.
TL:DR
MISTFORM needs to get fixed ASAP to avoid talentless people crying vamps are op even though they dont take the time to actually learn how to counter them properly. It is the main cause why vamps are unkillable.
Not because they can spam ult, not because they have reduce resource reduction but because they can still heal even though they have 75% dmg reduction
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✭yeap , but all they see is that they died , they dont use their brains to understand the reason.
That is the problem."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭Dry your eyes vamp. This is not masquerade but elder scrolls. Nerf inc hopefully.
Heh , mate , nerfs will come to everyone , the ones im waiting for the most , are for both DK and Sorc , it is past the time already."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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bugulu✭✭✭Theorycrafters is good in... theory.
And to teach you a lesson since you probably haven't even looked up what battle roar does.
Battle Roar is a passive that restores health, magicka and stamina when you activate an Ultimate ability.
Healing going through mist form is not the only problem (though it is one that should be fixed).
This is a post from one of the vampires in another of this infinite threads (what was the point of this thread now?).davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »ult reduction % stacking with battle roar passive is broken, that is the only fix needed, bat swarm by itself isnt OP and is actually garbage compared to standard when they are both at 200 ult cost, so nerfing swarm would ruin it for other classes and isnt even wanted by dks at full cost, getting swarm down to 34 ult cost while also giving back hp/magicka/stamina on every cast through battle roar passive is what makes it so stupid OP.
in pvp it is insane, in pve though it is so broken that trials are going to be stacked with dk and sorc spam swarm vampires. cyro resources are easily solo'd and vr bosses/dungeons are a joke as this build.
i know im a vr10 faceroll dk vamp out there winning 1v15s and harassing huge zergs then escaping after i kill all the melee. silverbolts and soul assaults do nothing to me i have reflective scales up 100% of the time, cant range dps us (reflect) and cant cc us (immovable) and cant snare/root if we want to get away (wep swap to retreat with elusive).Edited by bugulu on April 29, 2014 7:58AM1 -
maganny✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »
Agreed, DK too powerfull and sorc is too mobile with scrolls AND vampires is (*are* ouch grammar) a damn joke..
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blackwolf7 wrote: »talentless people crying vamps are op
As if this game takes talent to play.
Talented people play Elder Scrolls Online.
Sounds pretty bad, doesn't it...Edited by michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO on April 29, 2014 8:00AM2 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭Theorycrafters is good in... theory.
This is a post from one of the vampires in another of this infinite threads (what was the point of this thread now?).davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »ult reduction % stacking with battle roar passive is broken, that is the only fix needed, bat swarm by itself isnt OP and is actually garbage compared to standard when they are both at 200 ult cost, so nerfing swarm would ruin it for other classes and isnt even wanted by dks at full cost, getting swarm down to 34 ult cost while also giving back hp/magicka/stamina on every cast through battle roar passive is what makes it so stupid OP.
in pvp it is insane, in pve though it is so broken that trials are going to be stacked with dk and sorc spam swarm vampires. cyro resources are easily solo'd and vr bosses/dungeons are a joke as this build.
i know im a vr10 faceroll dk vamp out there winning 1v15s and harassing huge zergs then escaping after i kill all the melee. silverbolts and soul assaults do nothing to me i have reflective scales up 100% of the time, cant range dps us (reflect) and cant cc us (immovable) and cant snare/root if we want to get away (wep swap to retreat with elusive).
And to teach you a lesson since you probably haven't even looked up what battle roar does.
Battle Roar is a passive that restores health, magicka and stamina when you activate an Ultimate ability.
Healing going through mist form is not the only problem (though it is one that should be fixed).
If this is argument then clearly dks are the ones op not vamp. He stated more dk skills than vamp0 -
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✭They just need to completely remove vampire Ultimate from PVP. For PVE it's OK, but not for PVP!
Also, I'll leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxBlMayv12M - PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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blackwolf7✭✭✭They just need to completely remove vampire Ultimate from PVP. For PVE it's OK, but not for PVP!
Also, I'll leave this here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxBlMayv12M
You just completly proved my point. Video shows mistform is being abused together with ult. Its just that ult was the one dealing the killing blow so it makes people think that it is the that is op.
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Hexi✭✭✭✭✭LOL you make a video about someone fighting complete noobs as "proof"? Whahahaha, prieless, really.
Not once was the vampire in the video CCd, at all, not once. No stuns, knockdowns, nothing. I would have owned that sword and board vamp 1 on 1 easily on my sorc. Regardless that it's a vamp as well.
Oh, and he is abusing the bug and healing through mistform, it's the only reason they stay alive. Open your eyes.Edited by Hexi on April 29, 2014 8:10AM2 -
maganny✭blackwolf7 wrote: »They just need to completely remove vampire Ultimate from PVP. For PVE it's OK, but not for PVP!
Also, I'll leave this here:
You just completly proved my point. Video shows mistform is being abused together with ult. Its just that ult was the one dealing the killing blow so it makes people think that it is the that is op.
Video shows a lot more than just mist form being abused with ult, ofc the problems lie in the class choice as well but reducing the problems only to that "bug" is not entirely honest now is it?
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blackwolf7✭✭✭blackwolf7 wrote: »They just need to completely remove vampire Ultimate from PVP. For PVE it's OK, but not for PVP!
Also, I'll leave this here:
You just completly proved my point. Video shows mistform is being abused together with ult. Its just that ult was the one dealing the killing blow so it makes people think that it is the that is op.
Video shows a lot more than just mist form being abused with ult, ofc the problems lie in the class choice as well but reducing the problems only to that "bug" is not entirely honest now is it?
It shows that mistform is being abused with the healing from vamp's ult.
Vamps ult is working as intended while in mistform vamp shouldmt be able to heal. So if mistform gets fixed, it wouldnt be abused with ult's ability to lifesteal
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I have a feeling this will be another game were PvE is going to be ruined by PvP. Whiners will cry nerf and devs will always listen to their cries. I wish I could have one game were PvP does not have any effect on the PvE part of the game. Skills should have 2 different effects, one for PvP and one for PvE.0
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So its ok to have an ultimate cost...4 ultimate? The cost is a problem. Fair enough getting ultimate down to say 50-80 through choice of gear or spec but costing as low as 4 is just stupid. And i am a nightblade vampire. Not someone crying for a nerf but asking for something that is broken to be fixed.1
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blackwolf7✭✭✭nlw140589b16_ESO wrote: »So its ok to have an ultimate cost...4 ultimate? The cost is a problem. Fair enough getting ultimate down to say 50-80 through choice of gear or spec but costing as low as 4 is just stupid. And i am a nightblade vampire. Not someone crying for a nerf but asking for something that is broken to be fixed.
As long as it doesnt make someone unkillable it is fine. As long as it can be countered it is fine.
But with mistform's current state, combining it with life leech makes people immortal.0 -
Do you not think it is called and ULTIMATE for a reason? It was designed to be powerful and not likely to be spammed. It is by far not the strongest ultimate in the game and i agree with you that mist form needs a fix but ultimate reduction should not be stacking the way it is. It trivializes the combat of the game.1
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Just limit the Ultimate reduction cap (for Bat Swarm, at least).nlw140589b16_ESO wrote: »So its ok to have an ultimate cost...4 ultimate? The cost is a problem.
None of the ultimate abilities should be spammable.Nilene Nightsky - Healer WardenNiomia Nightsky - Stamina NightbladeEbonheart Pact (EU) Veteran: 10 - CP: 1010 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭nlw140589b16_ESO wrote: »Do you not think it is called and ULTIMATE for a reason? It was designed to be powerful and not likely to be spammed. It is by far not the strongest ultimate in the game and i agree with you that mist form needs a fix but ultimate reduction should not be stacking the way it is. It trivializes the combat of the game.
If you make the ultimate cost of batswarm like any other ultimate's cost then it will become useless and nobody will ever use it. The only reason people go vamp bec of its spammability removing it is as good as removing vamps entirely. batswarm damage output is almost the same as dmg output of impulse skill. What makes it op is because combining lifeleech with the mistform bug0 -
dimitrionSoul Shriventhis video proofs another mistake made by human hands.
the guy clearly says to stay away from it while its casting,altough not all are listing,its even being yelled in chat. if u see mistform in ur group wich is a enemy just split the group,dont run brainless to the mist to get slaughtered.
yes they are abusing mistform, but most people just stay inside the batswarm and try to fight it,just run from it let it cast and when its done,go back.0 -
bugulu✭✭✭blackwolf7 wrote: »
If this is argument then clearly dks are the ones op not vamp. He stated more dk skills than vamp
No, the overpowered thing is the spell reduction cost which pretty much negates the ultimate cost combined with Battle Roar regaining your health, magicka and stamina.
For the most fun:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxBlMayv12M
Check after 5:40. Not once did he go through Mist Form to actually kill all those players.
If the Mist Form is the only problem, then why the hell was he never taken under 85% health points? He killed those players and not even popping Mist Form once and wasn't even close to being in a life threatening situation.
So tell me, how exactly would Mist Form not healing him in this situation would change anything?
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blackwolf7 wrote: »nlw140589b16_ESO wrote: »Do you not think it is called and ULTIMATE for a reason? It was designed to be powerful and not likely to be spammed. It is by far not the strongest ultimate in the game and i agree with you that mist form needs a fix but ultimate reduction should not be stacking the way it is. It trivializes the combat of the game.
If you make the ultimate cost of batswarm like any other ultimate's cost then it will become useless and nobody will ever use it. The only reason people go vamp bec of its spammability removing it is as good as removing vamps entirely. batswarm damage output is almost the same as dmg output of impulse skill. What makes it op is because combining lifeleech with the mistform bug
I have been Vampire since day 3 of head start. I will be vampire if they fix ultimate reduction stacking. People will go vampire if you cant spam it. You are saying people have no tallent because they cry nerf instead of thinking of a counter but in my opinion someone who specs their character to spam one ability is the one that needs to try harder.
Do you honestly think it was intended to stack in this way. If they fix mist form and ignore the cost there will still be a problem.
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✭Sorry but your missing the point if several set ups can create a toon that can happily take down 15 people then there is an issue, they are currently OP, this is confounded by the Mist issue you mention, but this is also to do with certain setups being able to keep this ultimate on Spam!
An ultimate of this magnitude has to be balanced as currently this is not.
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blackwolf7✭✭✭Before a vamp can be considered op, they have to spam mistform together with devouring swarm.
If they fix mistform, spamming devouring swarm would not make them kill 15 people and would not certainly make them spam ult because they will fall down fast even if they have the 75% reduction.
So why reduced a not broken skill wherein you can just fix the bugged skill and fix the spam problem altogether?0 -
Ok then. So what about 2 Vamps spamming bat swarm and one of them is a healer vs 15? Is that balanced? I have tried it out. I told you I also play Vampire. I play with a group of 20 other people and also roam small scale. I have killed a group of 20 people with 7-10 people without exploiting this cost reduction. Its not the only way. It needs fixed.0
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AlliN✭✭✭You can't reason with kids gripping their toy. Someone named "Nox Aeterna" (really nice emo/goth/twilight crap going on here) surely is not the vampire and surely is not using the system, so it's not surprising he goes from thread to thread defending his new "pvp sweet skills".
Hypocrites, all of you vampire defenders. You are giving tips, that does not work, becasue with HALF A BRAIN CELL you can counter each and every attempt to bring you down. The only vampires that get killed suck at pvp anyways, and then they come here saying it's not broken.
Thing is, player with that active half a brain cell will not be effective and victorious in 1 vs 1 fights. He will be victorious in 1 vs 10 fights. That's not balance.
Having one should not make you immortal killing machine, also ESO is not meant to be Edward Simulator Online, by being a vampire you should gave nice buffs for PVE and small buffs for pvp, that would make it reasonable.
Damn exploit generation, no fun, no skill, just delusions of grandeur.MISTFORM needs to get fixed ASAP to avoid talentless people crying vamps are op even though they dont take the time to actually learn how to counter them properly. It is the main cause why vamps are unkillable.
Not because they can spam ult, not because they have reduce resource reduction but because they can still heal even though they have 75% dmg reduction
Do you even read nonsense you are typing?to avoid talentless people crying vamps are op even though they dont take the time to actually learn how to counter them
and thenbut because they can still heal even though they have 75% dmg reduction
So, why the hell are you calling people "talentless", when they are fighting against a BUG THAT YOU ADMIT. Belitelling other people makes you feel better about using your vampire toy? Sad individual.Edited by AlliN on April 29, 2014 9:19AM0 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭No healer can out heal a zergs dps even if they both use bat swarm. Provided the zerg are group of people who knows to use fire and silverbolts when against a vampire. Again unless they exploit the 75% reduction from mistform and heal themselves while receiving the reduction0
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blackwolf7✭✭✭You can't reason with kids gripping their toy. Someone named "Nox Aeterna" (really nice emo/goth/twilight crap going on here) surely is not the vampire and surely is not using the system, so it's not surprising he goes from thread to thread defending his new "pvp sweet skills".
Hypocrites, all of you vampire defenders. You are giving tips, that does not work, becasue with HALF A BRAIN CELL you can counter each and every attempt to bring you down. The only vampires that get killed suck at pvp anyways, and then they come here saying it's not broken.
Thing is, player with that active half a brain cell will not be effective and victorious in 1 vs 1 fights. He will be victorious in 1 vs 10 fights. That's not balance.
Having one should not make you immortal killing machine, also ESO is not meant to be Edward Simulator Online, by being a vampire you should gave nice buffs for PVE and small buffs for pvp, that would make it reasonable.
Damn exploit generation, no fun, no skill, just delusions of grandeur.
Clearly you didnt read the entire topic and just go on ahead posting your beliefs which doesnt even make sense. People can do that because of the mistform exploit and this thread is against it. Please read the posts first in the future to avoid giving yourself the image of a person unable to grasp english0 -
Mendoze✭✭✭This is just silly, how some people are still trying to defend ultimate reduction stacking or blaming some class skills, whether it's templar,DK or sorc ( whichever they don't themselves play ). Anybody with even half a brain cell can understand that it shouldn't be possible to spam ultimates non-stop. How about a cool off timer for all the ultimates ( regardless of class or race or whatever ), like 10 sec after it finishes? Everybody can keep their stacked ultimate reduction, but for 10 seconds they'd have to do normal combat before they could enter god-mode again. Then we could see how good these l33t pvp experts really are, who always tell others to l2p, when they too actually have to do some fighting between ultimates. I bet I wouldn't see any emperors / former emperors attacking zergs alone anymore.0 -
blackwolf7✭✭✭This is just silly, how some people are still trying to defend ultimate reduction stacking or blaming some class skills, whether it's templar,DK or sorc ( whichever they don't themselves play ). Anybody with even half a brain cell can understand that it shouldn't be possible to spam ultimates non-stop. How about a cool off timer for all the ultimates ( regardless of class or race or whatever ), like 10 sec after it finishes? Everybody can keep their stacked ultimate reduction, but for 10 seconds they'd have to do normal combat before they could enter god-mode again. Then we could see how good these l33t pvp experts really are, who always tell others to l2p, when they too actually have to do some fighting between ultimates. I bet I wouldn't see any emperors / former emperors attacking zergs alone anymore.
like ive said previously, reducing ultimate stacking will make vamp ult entirely useless. It will not balance anything. The reason why Vamp's ult can be spammed is because it's damage output compared to other ults is lesser. Pulsar skill can even sometimes outdamage vamp's ult.
The reason why it is overpowered is because they exploit mistform's bug. You shouldnt receive any healing while your in mistform but currently, you can receive life leech from vamp's ult while being in mist.
To make it simple,
if ZoS fixes Mistform, NO VAMPS will be able to SPAM ULT IN THE MIDDLE OF A ZERG because they would drop so fast by not having the ability to heal themselves
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Having an Ultimate cost 80 ultimate does not make it useless. Why cant you see that. 80 ultimate is fine.0