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Bahsei's Mania seems... unusual

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Given that most mag builds are using, and spending a lot of time learning to use, bahsei's mania in PvE content, it seems pretty wild that this will still proc based on magicka for stam builds.

Shouldn't this just be 'based on your missing stamina/magicka, whichever is higher', given the hybrid intent of this patch?

Just doesn't make any sense as currently written, and dealing with the like....a month? two months? on live where stam is pulling 20% higher dps or something than mag in PvE, before its nerfed, sounds like a pretty bad experience overall.
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    Just doesn't make any sense as currently written, and dealing with the like....a month? two months? on live where stam is pulling 20% higher dps or something than mag in PvE, before its nerfed, sounds like a pretty bad experience overall.

    Hybridization. Mag and stam are out-dated concepts.

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    katorga wrote: »
    Just doesn't make any sense as currently written, and dealing with the like....a month? two months? on live where stam is pulling 20% higher dps or something than mag in PvE, before its nerfed, sounds like a pretty bad experience overall.

    Hybridization. Mag and stam are out-dated concepts.

    Lol, let me know when I can roll dodge and break free with mag, and I'm all in.
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    Somehow I don't think that Bahsei will ever become meta for medium armor builds. There are better choices that don't require as much additional effort to maintain the buff.

    Stamina DK might use it because of the magicka spammable to dump their magicka pool, but most others will not be able to dump magicka without spending precious global cool downs dumping magicka to keep the pool low.
    Playing since beta...
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    Given that most mag builds are using, and spending a lot of time learning to use, bahsei's mania in PvE content, it seems pretty wild that this will still proc based on magicka for stam builds.

    Shouldn't this just be 'based on your missing stamina/magicka, whichever is higher', given the hybrid intent of this patch?

    Just doesn't make any sense as currently written, and dealing with the like....a month? two months? on live where stam is pulling 20% higher dps or something than mag in PvE, before its nerfed, sounds like a pretty bad experience overall.

    It's going to be great on a stamDK that can just slot eruption and toggle on a magicka drain that also happens to do a reasonable amount of damage. No need to constantly refresh a skill (or rarely, anyway) to keep magicka below 50%, no worry about running out of your primary resource to keep Bahsei's damage buff high. And it should be pretty decent on a number of other stam classes too if they can just dump magicka into a buff skull as required. Please don't change it!

    (And stam *should* be hitting significantly harder than mag on the dummy, because they have constraints like having to move out of range etc. They won't be outperforming magicka in actual content, in fact the reverse is true and has been for ages.)
    Edited by ajkb78 on October 19, 2021 2:17PM
  • MECHA_STREISAND
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    kojou wrote: »
    Somehow I don't think that Bahsei will ever become meta for medium armor builds. There are better choices that don't require as much additional effort to maintain the buff.

    Stamina DK might use it because of the magicka spammable to dump their magicka pool, but most others will not be able to dump magicka without spending precious global cool downs dumping magicka to keep the pool low.

    It's pretty much useless for Stam DK, because of the Battle Roar passive - when you need the buff most (i.e. after dropping ultimate) your mag pool will be full again, so you have to waste time dumping mag when you should be doing damage.
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    kojou wrote: »
    Somehow I don't think that Bahsei will ever become meta for medium armor builds. There are better choices that don't require as much additional effort to maintain the buff.

    Stamina DK might use it because of the magicka spammable to dump their magicka pool, but most others will not be able to dump magicka without spending precious global cool downs dumping magicka to keep the pool low.

    It's pretty much useless for Stam DK, because of the Battle Roar passive - when you need the buff most (i.e. after dropping ultimate) your mag pool will be full again, so you have to waste time dumping mag when you should be doing damage.

    What if..

    What if you don't take passive then?
  • Bl4ckR3alm93
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    kojou wrote: »
    Somehow I don't think that Bahsei will ever become meta for medium armor builds. There are better choices that don't require as much additional effort to maintain the buff.

    Stamina DK might use it because of the magicka spammable to dump their magicka pool, but most others will not be able to dump magicka without spending precious global cool downs dumping magicka to keep the pool low.

    It's pretty much useless for Stam DK, because of the Battle Roar passive - when you need the buff most (i.e. after dropping ultimate) your mag pool will be full again, so you have to waste time dumping mag when you should be doing damage.

    Exactly what I was thinking especially after the Battle Roar buff which will give u resources based on what you consumed rather then the Ultimate cost. Bahsei wont really be used on a DK in general now especially with a Balorgh combo will make your damage output weaker unless you dump really fast right after use. Still love the new DK changes tho 😁
  • Bl4ckR3alm93
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    divnyi wrote: »
    kojou wrote: »
    Somehow I don't think that Bahsei will ever become meta for medium armor builds. There are better choices that don't require as much additional effort to maintain the buff.

    Stamina DK might use it because of the magicka spammable to dump their magicka pool, but most others will not be able to dump magicka without spending precious global cool downs dumping magicka to keep the pool low.

    It's pretty much useless for Stam DK, because of the Battle Roar passive - when you need the buff most (i.e. after dropping ultimate) your mag pool will be full again, so you have to waste time dumping mag when you should be doing damage.

    What if..

    What if you don't take passive then?

    True that is an option. Can even use a armory slot to build one without battle roar active
  • MECHA_STREISAND
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    It's worth a try I guess! Might get tricky on execute if you're using 2H but an interesting idea..
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