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ESO+ sub and Free trial issue
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Vindold✭✭✭
It is indeed, I don't know why some ppl resisting it, it won't hurt them, they will benfit from it...idk, it's just beyond me...it's like they are gladly throwing money out of their window for some random ppl...and a bit funny thing is, if ZOS add Free time trial to our sub time, everyone will gladly accept it and will find it how good and fair it is.
This does sound more balanced (The addition or bonus sub days to existing pre-purchase).I find it amusing how people equate the monthly crowns and the small statues you get for subscribing to Plus as being free. All of those items are paid for by the subscription fee. Just because ZOS portrays the statues as free, that doesn’t mean they are. You won’t get them without paying.
It’s also pretty funny to read arguments against receiving further benefits. You are the consumer, right? You aren’t ZOS employees? Why would you argue for less? Some people seem so doggedly against their own self-interest, it’s bewildering.
Exactly! Always glad to see ppl here who understand.Edited by Vindold on October 20, 2021 2:33PM1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
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It is indeed, I don't know why some ppl resisting it, it won't hurt them, they will benfit from it...idk, it's just beyond me...it's like they are gladly throwing money out of their window for some random ppl...and a bit funny thing is, if ZOS add Free time trial to our sub time, everyone will gladly accept it and will find it how good and fair it is.
This does sound more balanced (The addition or bonus sub days to existing pre-purchase).
the funny thing with it would be, that it doesn't make a difference for a consistently subscribed player anyway - it will not change a thing for him/her - it is just the good feeling to have been cared for as well - this is all there is to it imo - people don't want to be cared less for than someone not paying (yet) - but in fact it doesn't change a thing for someone who is subscribed on a reoccurring basis. And given how comfortable it is to be consistently subscribed, most will stay subscribed for as long as they are playing quite often - it is just so much more comfy this way.Edited by Lysette on October 20, 2021 2:37PM1 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭there is a big difference - with eso+ there is no hassle with inventory space - or nearly none. Furthermore doing crafting writs -alchemy and enchanting - is easily done, because everything is taken from the crafting bag - which is not the case without eso+, even if you have a crafting bag from being subscribed before - it will not automatically take the extra ingredients or rune stones from the crafting bag or bank, like it does with ESO+, and so this is an annoying step you have to do without ESO+.
Not to talk about having access to all DLC zones is a huge benefit as well - and getting some extras from the crown store with the stipend crowns from eso+ is nice as well. ESO+ is well worth it, if one has the time to play ESO often enough that is. This all creates a different experience - the game is actually fun, if you haven't to struggle with inventory/bank space all the time.
That's not quite accurate, even without ESO+ crafting stations will pull materials from the craft bag 1st, even if you also have them in your inventory. That means if you're not currently subscribing it will gradually empty the craft bag (and gradually fill your inventory/bank with new ones you pick up) but until it's empty the game will keep prioritising it. Also I'm fairly certain it won't pull them from the bank either with or without ESO+.
But for me that's a non-issue because I only do crafting on 1 character. Even when I have ESO+ I don't have the time or inclination to repeat crafting writs on all my characters when I could do something fun instead, so I just keep the materials I need in his inventory. The only time I've felt like not having ESO+ was a problem for me is when I go to do Master Writs and realise the style material I need is in a storage chest so I have to go to my house then back to the guild house (we've got all the set crafting stations) and that's a couple of minutes at most. Or I just use style stones from login rewards.
And I already said I buy all the DLC I want. Likewise when I want something from the crown store I can just buy crowns (or use ones I've already bought when they were on sale). Sometimes buying ESO+ is the most cost-effective way to get the amount of crowns I want, or the discount makes it worthwhile and that's when I do subscribe but given how rarely I buy crowns I'm not sure what I'd do with 1,650 a month. Sure I could just pick something, but why pay for things I don't want?
I realise ESO+ is worthwhile for a lot of people and I'm happy you have that option, but it's not for me. It doesn't offer anything I need to enjoy the game and given my free time is erratic I'm just as likely to end up annoyed that I wasted money on time I couldn't use. Last time I subscribed for example I bought 30 days but got to use less than half of it because I ended up being away from home for just over 2 weeks. Luckily I'd done it to get the Kynareth statue and to dye some costumes, so I looked at it as buying those things and the actual subscription time was irrelevant.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"0 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
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If someone having ESO+ free for a week offends you so much, I - well to be frank I can’t fathom why or even try & discuss it. [snip]
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[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2021 11:03AM10 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭that I got the opportunity to check out antiquities, is a game-changer for me. It was clear to me, that I will be subscribed, when I will be playing more often again, but the problem was, I don't like questing, so i need another pointer to interesting places to visit - and antiquities does exactly this - it leads me to interesting places and gives me something to do there, what again makes me want to play more again - I wouldn't have had the urge to play more often otherwise, because no man's sky is that interesting exploration-wise, that I'd given it priority - but now I can happily return to ESO, there is plenty to do for me OUTSIDE of quests while still being a guidance system to interesting places - so the free trial is a win for ZOS and me.0 -
Vindold✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »[snip]
If someone having ESO+ free for a week offends you so much, I - well to be frank I can’t fathom why or even try & discuss it. [snip]
1. You know, you'll not get banned.
2. It doesn't offend me, I'm glad that Free Trial exists, I've said and not once, that I think it's a smart move.
3. It's not about selfishnes, it's about respect, it's about fairnes, but you don't see it.
And no, I'm not asking for compensation, I'm proposing an improvement for future, which is fair and doesn't hurt anybody.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2021 11:04AM5 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭there is a big difference - with eso+ there is no hassle with inventory space - or nearly none. Furthermore doing crafting writs -alchemy and enchanting - is easily done, because everything is taken from the crafting bag - which is not the case without eso+, even if you have a crafting bag from being subscribed before - it will not automatically take the extra ingredients or rune stones from the crafting bag or bank, like it does with ESO+, and so this is an annoying step you have to do without ESO+.
Not to talk about having access to all DLC zones is a huge benefit as well - and getting some extras from the crown store with the stipend crowns from eso+ is nice as well. ESO+ is well worth it, if one has the time to play ESO often enough that is. This all creates a different experience - the game is actually fun, if you haven't to struggle with inventory/bank space all the time.
That's not quite accurate, even without ESO+ crafting stations will pull materials from the craft bag 1st, even if you also have them in your inventory. That means if you're not currently subscribing it will gradually empty the craft bag (and gradually fill your inventory/bank with new ones you pick up) but until it's empty the game will keep prioritising it. Also I'm fairly certain it won't pull them from the bank either with or without ESO+.
I have done it now a couple of times without ESO+ - it is tedious - the alchemy writ wants me to add 3 wormwood to the potion, but if it is in my bank, it won't pull these extra wormwood from there automatically, when I'm not subscribed - it just does that when ESO+ is active - and so it is with extra runes required for the enchanting writ - it is simply tedious work to do crafting without ESO+ - a lot of additional time consuming steps - and playtime is what I don't have plenty of.
I would still have delayed resubbing, because I didn't feel the urge to play more again - like I said, I don't like questing, so I need another pointer which gets me to interesting places, which I might never see without such a pointer. Antiquities is included in ESO+ - I didn't know about it and I had no clue how this system even works - now I know, thanks to the free trial, and I will be back playing more often and resub shortly again - 6 months most likely - that gets me enough crowns to buy a few things I'd like to add to my collection.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »[snip]
If someone having ESO+ free for a week offends you so much, I - well to be frank I can’t fathom why or even try & discuss it. [snip]
it is flawed generosity - and this is something what I really dislike - if people try to be generous, but just have to do something to mess their generosity up - if they would have given 7 days to everyone, this would be generous without a flaw - but no, they had to mess it up again - [snip] - and that is something I really dislike.
[edited for bashing & to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2021 11:05AM3 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People using the free week of Plus do not get the Crowns included in your sub, or the statue included in your sub. After the trial runs out, if you move an item in your home that is over the base capacity, you can't place it back down. You can't dye costumes again until the next Plus. If your bank is full, you cannot add more to it, same with craft bag. What are you getting your knickers in a twist over, that you want compensated for? If people got the Crowns you got, that would be a different story!!Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!1 -
hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭OK, so you can state Zos should extend your sub by 7 days each time they do one of these trials?
Thats fine, but in that extra week you get no crowns, no subbed freebies such as the statues and no discount on things for sale in the crown store.
So in other words you get the equivalent of the free trial. Are you OK with that?
So be warned and hope that your three free weeks (assuming there are 3 trials in the year) do not fully overlap with a 14 day discount on that expensive item in the crown store you have been craving for a long time, because if it does you ain't getting that discount and have to pay full price.
And I'm sure you are not OK with that?
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't really care about it - [snip]
you know, to me that is like making a compliment to someone and just not staying away from messing it up with a "but ..." part - which ruins it and leaves a bitter feeling behind - this is how I feel here as well, even I benefit from it this time. Well, ZOS does as well, because I will resub about 3-5 months earlier than I would otherwise have.
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 22, 2021 11:07AM0 -
hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm trying to work out how they are being greedy? They are offering a trial of some of the benefits of ESO+ to non ESO+ subscribers. How is that greedy?
If you subscribe to any other service where they do a free trial to attract new subscribers do you expect to get that added to your subscription?
To me the greedy ones are the ones shouting we want a week adding to our subscription because we are being shortchanged. You are not being shortchanged, you are getting exactly what you paid forEdited by hafgood on October 20, 2021 3:32PM3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm trying to work out how they are being greedy? They are offering a trial of some of the benefits of ESO+ to non ESO+ subscribers. How is that greedy?
I guess I cannot explain it to you, if you don't see it yourself.
well I will try nevertheless - it is like saying to their subscribers "we don't have to give you anything, because we have your money already, we are just generous to those, who's money we still want - you on the other side, are paying already, so we can't get more from you than we already have" - there is the greed - because this is what it means, if they just give it to non-subscribers.Edited by Lysette on October 20, 2021 3:45PM2 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm trying to work out how they are being greedy? They are offering a trial of some of the benefits of ESO+ to non ESO+ subscribers. How is that greedy?
If you subscribe to any other service where they do a free trial to attract new subscribers do you expect to get that added to your subscription?
To me the greedy ones are the ones shouting we want a week adding to our subscription because we are being shortchanged. You are not being shortchanged, you are getting exactly what you paid for
Yup, they're the same people who are the ones that would complain when HBO (back when it was just on premium cable) would do a "free" weekend trial to try and get others to subscribe, show people what it's about, what they get with that subscription. (I know I'm dating myself here
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The argument is old as can be, yet I do agree with the assessment that it's worse now as there's now seemingly a sense of entitlement with everything.
If ZoS decided to do this on their own, fine, I don't care, any decision they make on this would not affect me at all.
It's the "demand it should be done" that rankles me; as if they are owed that extended time.
Suggest, fine. Demand, no.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger69,420 achievement points1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm trying to work out how they are being greedy? They are offering a trial of some of the benefits of ESO+ to non ESO+ subscribers. How is that greedy?
If you subscribe to any other service where they do a free trial to attract new subscribers do you expect to get that added to your subscription?
To me the greedy ones are the ones shouting we want a week adding to our subscription because we are being shortchanged. You are not being shortchanged, you are getting exactly what you paid for
Yup, they're the same people who are the ones that would complain when HBO (back when it was just on premium cable) would do a "free" weekend trial to try and get others to subscribe, show people what it's about, what they get with that subscription. (I know I'm dating myself here )
The argument is old as can be, yet I do agree with the assessment that it's worse now as there's now seemingly a sense of entitlement with everything.
If ZoS decided to do this on their own, fine, I don't care, any decision they make on this would not affect me at all.
It's the "demand it should be done" that rankles me; as if they are owed that extended time.
Suggest, fine. Demand, no.
well, times have changed - there are more interesting games to play out there, than there is time to live in a single life - so showing some complete generosity would do them well, because people can as well choose to shift their priorities to another game - and this costs them money then - while being generous creates goodwill and makes them more likely to stay.3 -
hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭I guess I cannot explain it to you, if you don't see it yourself.
well I will try nevertheless - it is like saying to their subscribers "we don't have to give you anything, because we have your money already, we are just generous to those, who's money we still want - you on the other side, are paying already, so we can't get more from you than we already have" - there is the greed - because this is what it means, if they just give it to non-subscribers.
I'm sorry, I still don't understand the problem, I still don't understand what you are missing out on? Can guarantee if they were to give us all a "free" month that our subscription would go up for the other 11 so they still got the same amount.
Just out of curiosity - those of you arguing you have missed out on something - if you buy a new car and the next month the car dealer does a special offer on it which knocks a few hundred pounds off the price do you go back and demand that special offer be applied to the one you bought?0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm trying to work out how they are being greedy? They are offering a trial of some of the benefits of ESO+ to non ESO+ subscribers. How is that greedy?
If you subscribe to any other service where they do a free trial to attract new subscribers do you expect to get that added to your subscription?
To me the greedy ones are the ones shouting we want a week adding to our subscription because we are being shortchanged. You are not being shortchanged, you are getting exactly what you paid for
Yup, they're the same people who are the ones that would complain when HBO (back when it was just on premium cable) would do a "free" weekend trial to try and get others to subscribe, show people what it's about, what they get with that subscription. (I know I'm dating myself here )
The argument is old as can be, yet I do agree with the assessment that it's worse now as there's now seemingly a sense of entitlement with everything.
If ZoS decided to do this on their own, fine, I don't care, any decision they make on this would not affect me at all.
It's the "demand it should be done" that rankles me; as if they are owed that extended time.
Suggest, fine. Demand, no.
well, times have changed - there are more interesting games to play out there, than there is time to live in a single life - so showing some complete generosity would do them well, because people can as well choose to shift their priorities to another game - and this costs them money then - while being generous creates goodwill and makes them more likely to stay.
This doesn't address what I was saying. Did you respond to the right person?The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger69,420 achievement points0 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I find it amusing that some are mentioning the trial as an absolute loss ($12) to them. It's not, it is perceiving someone else's gain as their loss. A perceived loss, not an actual loss.
From a mathematical point of view : absolutely speaking it is indeed not a loss, relatively speaking it IS a loss.
That you find it to be amusing, it is because you do not (or better : do not want) to understand.
Paying for what others get for free, can never be justified.
(Edited because of typo.)
So it can never be justified to pay for a car, if people can go on a game show and win the car? It can never be justified to pay for a meal in a restaurant, if somebody can get a free meal there as part of some prize or through a gift certificate that they received? It can never be justified to pay for a movie ticket or Blu-ray disc if people can see the same movie on broadcast TV? It can never be justified to pay for a music album if people can turn on the radio and hear the same songs for free?I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I guess I cannot explain it to you, if you don't see it yourself.
well I will try nevertheless - it is like saying to their subscribers "we don't have to give you anything, because we have your money already, we are just generous to those, who's money we still want - you on the other side, are paying already, so we can't get more from you than we already have" - there is the greed - because this is what it means, if they just give it to non-subscribers.
I'm sorry, I still don't understand the problem, I still don't understand what you are missing out on? Can guarantee if they were to give us all a "free" month that our subscription would go up for the other 11 so they still got the same amount.
Just out of curiosity - those of you arguing you have missed out on something - if you buy a new car and the next month the car dealer does a special offer on it which knocks a few hundred pounds off the price do you go back and demand that special offer be applied to the one you bought?
I have not missed out on anything, I benefitted from it - but that doesn't mean, I would be fine with it, because it leaves this bitter feeling that ZOS could just again not be completely generous with such an offer - and left those, who pay for their show out of it - not giving them anything as well - like a few free crates or so. Anything saying "we appreciate you subscribing".1 -
hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
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I have not missed out on anything, I benefitted from it - but that doesn't mean, I would be fine with it, because it leaves this bitter feeling that ZOS could just again not be completely generous with such an offer - and left those, who pay for their show out of it - not giving them anything as well - like a few free crates or so. Anything saying "we appreciate you subscribing".
So the crowns you get, and the statues you get and the discounts you get are not Zos saying we appreciate you subscribing? Because you get none of those on the free trial....2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm trying to work out how they are being greedy? They are offering a trial of some of the benefits of ESO+ to non ESO+ subscribers. How is that greedy?
If you subscribe to any other service where they do a free trial to attract new subscribers do you expect to get that added to your subscription?
To me the greedy ones are the ones shouting we want a week adding to our subscription because we are being shortchanged. You are not being shortchanged, you are getting exactly what you paid for
Yup, they're the same people who are the ones that would complain when HBO (back when it was just on premium cable) would do a "free" weekend trial to try and get others to subscribe, show people what it's about, what they get with that subscription. (I know I'm dating myself here )
The argument is old as can be, yet I do agree with the assessment that it's worse now as there's now seemingly a sense of entitlement with everything.
If ZoS decided to do this on their own, fine, I don't care, any decision they make on this would not affect me at all.
It's the "demand it should be done" that rankles me; as if they are owed that extended time.
Suggest, fine. Demand, no.
well, times have changed - there are more interesting games to play out there, than there is time to live in a single life - so showing some complete generosity would do them well, because people can as well choose to shift their priorities to another game - and this costs them money then - while being generous creates goodwill and makes them more likely to stay.
This doesn't address what I was saying. Did you respond to the right person?
it addresses the last line of your post - people can demand it by their action - eventually leaving for another game, if they are just too disgusted by greed - like I did a few years ago, when they introduced gambling crates - I had still about half a year subscription left - but I stopped playing for a full year, because I was so disgusted by this greedy introduction of gambling crates. I still don't like them, but I see that they made at least an effort to not make them too harmful.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
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I have not missed out on anything, I benefitted from it - but that doesn't mean, I would be fine with it, because it leaves this bitter feeling that ZOS could just again not be completely generous with such an offer - and left those, who pay for their show out of it - not giving them anything as well - like a few free crates or so. Anything saying "we appreciate you subscribing".
So the crowns you get, and the statues you get and the discounts you get are not Zos saying we appreciate you subscribing? Because you get none of those on the free trial....
with this free trial ZOS basically "bought" me subscribing 3-5 months earlier than planned, because I have fun in ESO again to the point, that I'll be shifting game time from no man's sky back to ESO - this was their marketing effort and as such I don't have to be grateful for it, but I nevertheless say "thank you, I appreciate it" - I just wanted to try out antiquities and see, if I would like western Skyrim - well, I do, it looks fabulous, and so I will be resubbing much earlier than planned.
for regular subscriber this is just the product they paid for - they got nothing extra, nothing at all.Edited by Lysette on October 20, 2021 4:15PM2 -
Vindold✭✭✭I guess I cannot explain it to you, if you don't see it yourself.
well I will try nevertheless - it is like saying to their subscribers "we don't have to give you anything, because we have your money already, we are just generous to those, who's money we still want - you on the other side, are paying already, so we can't get more from you than we already have" - there is the greed - because this is what it means, if they just give it to non-subscribers.
I'm sorry, I still don't understand the problem, I still don't understand what you are missing out on? Can guarantee if they were to give us all a "free" month that our subscription would go up for the other 11 so they still got the same amount.
Just out of curiosity - those of you arguing you have missed out on something - if you buy a new car and the next month the car dealer does a special offer on it which knocks a few hundred pounds off the price do you go back and demand that special offer be applied to the one you bought?
I've explained what we are missing, you just didn't read.
You, as well as others who disagree, look at this situation from perspective of ppl who can afford ESO+ each month.
I'm talking mostly for ppl who can't afford Subing each month, and we value not Crowns, not free statuets which we don't need, nor petty discounts which you will not really benefit from if you don't buy most discounted stuff + obviously ppl who can't afford Sub\month don't buy much, discounts mostly pointless, but what we value is each day we paid for, limited time which gives us access to DLCs\Housing\Outfit Dyeing\Craftbag\Bank space.
I have not missed out on anything, I benefitted from it - but that doesn't mean, I would be fine with it, because it leaves this bitter feeling that ZOS could just again not be completely generous with such an offer - and left those, who pay for their show out of it - not giving them anything as well - like a few free crates or so. Anything saying "we appreciate you subscribing".
So the crowns you get, and the statues you get and the discounts you get are not Zos saying we appreciate you subscribing? Because you get none of those on the free trial....
The only thing of value is Crowns, but personaly I don't value them so much, I can farm for crowns, what I can't farm for is time to access DLCs\Housing\Outfit Dyeing\Craftbag\Bank space
Also you're mentioning all of this 'free' stuff like crowns, statuets, discounts over and over...you're paying for all of this stuff, it's all calculated, it's not really free, it's not really gratitude it's a small candy which helps them sell Sub.Edited by Vindold on October 20, 2021 4:22PM1 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
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I have not missed out on anything, I benefitted from it - but that doesn't mean, I would be fine with it, because it leaves this bitter feeling that ZOS could just again not be completely generous with such an offer - and left those, who pay for their show out of it - not giving them anything as well - like a few free crates or so. Anything saying "we appreciate you subscribing".
So the crowns you get, and the statues you get and the discounts you get are not Zos saying we appreciate you subscribing? Because you get none of those on the free trial....
Not only that, but the free trial doesn't include doubled bank account space and doubled housing furnishings space, does it? (I'm asking, not saying.)I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »
I have not missed out on anything, I benefitted from it - but that doesn't mean, I would be fine with it, because it leaves this bitter feeling that ZOS could just again not be completely generous with such an offer - and left those, who pay for their show out of it - not giving them anything as well - like a few free crates or so. Anything saying "we appreciate you subscribing".
So the crowns you get, and the statues you get and the discounts you get are not Zos saying we appreciate you subscribing? Because you get none of those on the free trial....
Not only that, but the free trial doesn't include doubled bank account space and doubled housing furnishings space, does it? (I'm asking, not saying.)
it includes it - my bank shows 480 spaces now - was 240 unsubbed.
the real benefit of it was the transfer of crafting stuff into the bag again - that freed about 1300 slots on my 16 characters, which was occupied by crafting materials This is as well why I think that ESO+ is well worth it, if one plays more often than just a few hours per month.Edited by Lysette on October 20, 2021 4:30PM0 -
hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've explained what we are missing, you just didn't read.
You, as well as others who disagree, look at this situation from perspective of ppl who can afford ESO+ each month.
I'm talking mostly for ppl who can't afford Subing each month, and we value not Crowns, not free statuets which we don't need, nor petty discounts which you will not really benefit from if you don't buy most discounted stuff + obviously ppl who can't afford Sub\month don't buy much, discounts mostly pointless, but what we value is each day we paid for, limited time which gives us access to
The only thing of value is Crowns, but personaly I don't value them so much, I can farm for crowns, what I can't farm for is time to access DLCs\Housing\Outfit Dyeing\Craftbag\Bank space
Also you're mentioning all of this 'free' stuff like crowns, statuets, discounts over and over...you're paying for all of this stuff, it's all calculated, it's not really free, it's not really gratitude it's a small candy which helps them sell Sub.
With respect, you haven't explained what we are missing because we are not missing anything, you are still getting the service you have paid for.
It's also a bit presumptive to assume that I buy ESO+ every month just because I look at things from a different perspective to you.
And finally yes I am aware that we get nothing free with the sub that all the costs are worked into providing the service we purchase. And should they choose to give us "free" crates or an extra "free" week on our ESO+ that these extra "freebies" would result in an increase in the cost of ESO+ as they cover the costs of the additional "freebies"?0 -
Blacknight841✭✭✭✭✭There is a difference between allowing one time 30 day free trial per account … and giving a free trial ever quarter for a whole week, every single year. Currently eso+ Are paying for 12 months of subscription, but only getting 11 months of paid subscription plus 1 month free.
What exactly are they selling… a subscription service with perks for dedicated members, or a “hold out until we give another free week” (because we definitely will). I certainly can’t tell anymore.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've explained what we are missing, you just didn't read.
You, as well as others who disagree, look at this situation from perspective of ppl who can afford ESO+ each month.
I'm talking mostly for ppl who can't afford Subing each month, and we value not Crowns, not free statuets which we don't need, nor petty discounts which you will not really benefit from if you don't buy most discounted stuff + obviously ppl who can't afford Sub\month don't buy much, discounts mostly pointless, but what we value is each day we paid for, limited time which gives us access to
The only thing of value is Crowns, but personaly I don't value them so much, I can farm for crowns, what I can't farm for is time to access DLCs\Housing\Outfit Dyeing\Craftbag\Bank space
Also you're mentioning all of this 'free' stuff like crowns, statuets, discounts over and over...you're paying for all of this stuff, it's all calculated, it's not really free, it's not really gratitude it's a small candy which helps them sell Sub.
With respect, you haven't explained what we are missing because we are not missing anything, you are still getting the service you have paid for.
It's also a bit presumptive to assume that I buy ESO+ every month just because I look at things from a different perspective to you.
And finally yes I am aware that we get nothing free with the sub that all the costs are worked into providing the service we purchase. And should they choose to give us "free" crates or an extra "free" week on our ESO+ that these extra "freebies" would result in an increase in the cost of ESO+ as they cover the costs of the additional "freebies"?
Crates cost them nothing at all, free eso+ costs them nothing as well - it can just gain them something, new subscriptions. With crates it is simple to understand - people who like them, will still buy them, and people like me, who are disgusted by gambling crates won't - nothing will change, in this case - these crates cost them nothing at all therefore.Edited by Lysette on October 20, 2021 4:38PM1 -
Vindold✭✭✭I've explained what we are missing, you just didn't read.
You, as well as others who disagree, look at this situation from perspective of ppl who can afford ESO+ each month.
I'm talking mostly for ppl who can't afford Subing each month, and we value not Crowns, not free statuets which we don't need, nor petty discounts which you will not really benefit from if you don't buy most discounted stuff + obviously ppl who can't afford Sub\month don't buy much, discounts mostly pointless, but what we value is each day we paid for, limited time which gives us access to
The only thing of value is Crowns, but personaly I don't value them so much, I can farm for crowns, what I can't farm for is time to access DLCs\Housing\Outfit Dyeing\Craftbag\Bank space
Also you're mentioning all of this 'free' stuff like crowns, statuets, discounts over and over...you're paying for all of this stuff, it's all calculated, it's not really free, it's not really gratitude it's a small candy which helps them sell Sub.
With respect, you haven't explained what we are missing because we are not missing anything, you are still getting the service you have paid for.
Look, man decided to Sub for 1 month, can't afford more, he's paying for access to DLCs\Housing\Outfit Dyeing\Craftbag\Bank space because he can't get it otherwise, he value each day he paid for, like 30 Septims for each day, but few hours later Free Trial arrived, 7 days free -> he lost his 210 Septims, flushed down the toilet, all what he paid for is given for free to everyone else, he's not even geting some sort of a thank you, dear customer...btw I'm talking about real person, he posted it here.
Edited by Vindold on October 20, 2021 4:45PM1
