ESO+ sub and Free trial issue

Gundug · October 2021

It seems to me that giving existing Plus members some desirable extra as a bonus very publicly during these free weeks might have the effect of encouraging more non-subscribers to join so they could also receive these items. It would also have the effect of reinforcing to the subscriber how wise having their subscription is and how special they are for being part of the club. Considering any reward would be digital and cost ZOS absolutely nothing to give, it makes sense in my mind.

xgoku1 · October 2021

4 free weeks of ESO+ is around 12$ off your yearly sub. I would say its a valid gripe.

I don't see why ZOS can't give some crown items in the 400-500c range for people who are subbed during a free ESO+ week. It'd be a nice gesture

Kiralyn2000 · October 2021

xgoku1 wrote: »

I don't see why ZOS can't give some crown items in the 400-500c range for people who are subbed during a free ESO+ week. It'd be a nice gesture

As I recall, the free monthly statues were introduced after they stopped doing the "free crates during ESO+ week" thing.

So...

Elsonso · October 2021

BlueRaven wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Vindold wrote: »

You're paying for a time. ESO+ free trial simply takes away 2 weeks of your paid time, half of what you've paid.

Actually, you pay for 30 days of ESO Plus and you get 30 days of ESO Plus. Quod erat demonstrandum.

I am not sure where we get to "You paid for 30 days, but you get 35 because people who did not pay got 5 days". To me this is a non sequitur. I paid for 30 days because I wanted 30 days. That was the value of my money and that is what I received. The 30 days has not changed. The amount I paid has not changed. What am I missing?

You were paying for 30 days for a service you would not have gotten otherwise.

Now are paying for 23 days for a service you would not have gotten otherwise, for the same price as 30 days.

That is the pain point here.

No. I am paying for 30 days and I am getting 30 days.

Gundug wrote: »

It seems to me that giving existing Plus members some desirable extra as a bonus very publicly during these free weeks might have the effect of encouraging more non-subscribers to join so they could also receive these items. It would also have the effect of reinforcing to the subscriber how wise having their subscription is and how special they are for being part of the club.

I can't dispute the "it would be nice, if" aspect of a free gift to ESO Plus subscribers concurrent with a trial, but we get something free from them every month we maintain an active subscription. We also get discounts on select items every month.

tmbrinks · October 2021

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

xgoku1 wrote: »

I don't see why ZOS can't give some crown items in the 400-500c range for people who are subbed during a free ESO+ week. It'd be a nice gesture

As I recall, the free monthly statues were introduced after they stopped doing the "free crates during ESO+ week" thing.

So...

Not to mention the actual crowns from the sub, the ESO+ discounts you get from subbing... all of which the free trials aren't getting.

oddbasket · October 2021

xgoku1 wrote: »

4 free weeks of ESO+ is around 12$ off your yearly sub. I would say its a valid gripe.

I don't see why ZOS can't give some crown items in the 400-500c range for people who are subbed during a free ESO+ week. It'd be a nice gesture

I find it amusing that some are mentioning the trial as an absolute loss ($12) to them. It's not, it is perceiving someone else's gain as their loss. A perceived loss, not an actual loss.

This 1 to 1 gain and loss comparison under the guise of fairness is disturbing. If that is the case, wouldn't it be more fair to suggest for ZOS to tally up the number of players who've activated the free trial, and then reward the exact same number of ESO+ players with a bonus? That is a direct 1 to 1 gain and completely fair, no?

In fairness, the number of ESO+ subscribers rewarded will depend on how successful the free trial was, and that we can't measure since we do not really know the figures. But then how would you decide which ESO+ subscribers receive rewards and who don't such that it would be fair?

ZOS will probably reap the benefits of only a fraction of players on the free trial converting to ESO+, but existing ESO+ subscribers are demanding a payout for every single one of them. That seems fair? That just sounds greedy, calculating and petty.

Tigertron · October 2021

So the "free"loaders don't get any crowns. Maybe they should get some crowns since you get an extra week.

Tigertron · October 2021

Eliahnus wrote: »

oddbasket wrote: »

Why would it? it's not for those already subscribed to ESO+.

Because ESO+ members are paying for what non-members get for free. It's that simpel.

No they don't. I don't get crowns or and discounts.

Tandor · October 2021

As a subscriber on 2 accounts continuously for seven and a half years, I don't have any problem with these trials, and I don't feel entitled to something in lieu as a subscriber.

However, I do suspect that they are counter-productive. I assume their purpose is to recruit more subscribers because that's to the company's advantage, but they are now held so often that committed non-subscribers use them for effective inventory management. They don't need to subscribe for the crafting bag because they can use the free trial to optimise their use of the crafting bag anyway.

HyekAr · October 2021

My case, I enjoy playing and spend half of the months in doing 1 region. Eso+ is not for me bc I would be paying for Something i dont use(only the bag in my case)
And I bought almost whole the game and the crowns when offer

I think all the ppl who buy the game part by part as me without paying eso+, should get more benefits as much dlc and part we got

Why? Bcz some experienced players can do 1 region in 3 days, so they can finish most of the regions in 1 month 10€

K9002 · October 2021

Subbed players do benefit from everyone getting 3 or 4 of these free trials every year, though not in a direct way. This is a time of the year when a lot of unsubbed players go out and do their accumulated surveys and bring back many thousands of units of every basic material. It injects a lot of tempering mats into the game's economy. People who instead keep them for personal use won't have to buy more of them for a while, thus the demand decreases. Demand drives the prices. This is especially important since the stickerbook became a new resource sink and it will be super helpful when update 32 goes live (Nov 1) and brings on set hybridization.

xgoku1 · October 2021

oddbasket wrote: »

xgoku1 wrote: »

4 free weeks of ESO+ is around 12$ off your yearly sub. I would say its a valid gripe.

I don't see why ZOS can't give some crown items in the 400-500c range for people who are subbed during a free ESO+ week. It'd be a nice gesture

I find it amusing that some are mentioning the trial as an absolute loss ($12) to them. It's not, it is perceiving someone else's gain as their loss. A perceived loss, not an actual loss.

This 1 to 1 gain and loss comparison under the guise of fairness is disturbing. If that is the case, wouldn't it be more fair to suggest for ZOS to tally up the number of players who've activated the free trial, and then reward the exact same number of ESO+ players with a bonus? That is a direct 1 to 1 gain and completely fair, no?

In fairness, the number of ESO+ subscribers rewarded will depend on how successful the free trial was, and that we can't measure since we do not really know the figures. But then how would you decide which ESO+ subscribers receive rewards and who don't such that it would be fair?

ZOS will probably reap the benefits of only a fraction of players on the free trial converting to ESO+, but existing ESO+ subscribers are demanding a payout for every single one of them. That seems fair? That just sounds greedy, calculating and petty.

Because these trials are announced out of the blue, people with running overlapping subs feel short changed.

It's an objective loss if you don't care for the crowns. If you got a 1 month sub from Oct-Nov you paid for 4 weeks when you could've paid for 3. Or if known prior they could start their one month sub on the last week of September.

If you're paying for a yearly subscription, you're paying for 12 months when you could've got by with paying for 11.

So that's 8% less value for what you paid 150$ for.

xgoku1 · October 2021

Tandor wrote: »

As a subscriber on 2 accounts continuously for seven and a half years, I don't have any problem with these trials, and I don't feel entitled to something in lieu as a subscriber.

However, I do suspect that they are counter-productive. I assume their purpose is to recruit more subscribers because that's to the company's advantage, but they are now held so often that committed non-subscribers use them for effective inventory management. They don't need to subscribe for the crafting bag because they can use the free trial to optimise their use of the crafting bag anyway.

From what I've seen, both are valid. It really depends on how much patience you have for inventory management. For many people getting a taste of the eso+ craft bag life is enough to convert to a full time sub, as they simply cannot go back to the annoyance of incessant inventory management. Also since crowns are very expensive on PC-EU it makes sense to own DLC via ESO+ rather than grind the gold and buy them.

But yes, for people who are in mid to late game and know how to get around the inventory management using loot manager addons and such, you can plan for 3-4 month intervals and stash materials in storage, dump into bag during trials. Due to the hassle involved I'm guessing this is a minority.

But yes, it is viable

wolfie1.0. · October 2021

I am subbed on multiple accounts, and honestly? no they shouldn't and wont do this.
Here is my reasoning,

ZOS has been offering free ESO+ trials for years now, and these come out once a quarter usually, but are also not guaranteed. When you sub, regardless of the time frame, you are waiving any benefits to anything that ZOS may offer free in the future, in exchange for benefits now or over a longer period.
you still recieved the crowns included in Plus that free trial users dont get access to, these are provided at very close to sale conversion rates. this alone should offset any "lost" time
ESO + trials are designed to entice players to subscribe to ESO+
Plus free trials are a benefit to the community as a whole, and is not a purchase gated item. if you own any version of ESO you can benefit from it, with the exception of those that pay for it.
having ESO Plus allows you the option to access the benefits until a specified renewal date. Access to the game during that time is NOT guaranteed by ZOS. They will maintain the servers as best they can, but if servers go down, or if you violate the TOS they are not obligated to compensate you for lost playtime.

huntgod_ESO · October 2021

I am fine with it the way it is, but it was really nice when they gave a couple of free crates to ESO+ members when they did a free trial, I do wish they'd go back to that.

It's akin to offering new customers a preferred rate over long time customers, it makes the existing customers feel a little neglected and doing something for them is just good business and promotes customer appreciation, doesn't have to be much.

oddbasket · October 2021

xgoku1 wrote: »

Because these trials are announced out of the blue, people with running overlapping subs feel short changed.

It's an objective loss if you don't care for the crowns. If you got a 1 month sub from Oct-Nov you paid for 4 weeks when you could've paid for 3. Or if known prior they could start their one month sub on the last week of September.

If you're paying for a yearly subscription, you're paying for 12 months when you could've got by with paying for 11.

So that's 8% less value for what you paid 150$ for.

That's a subjective loss if it is only a loss if the subject sees it as a loss only when he is currently subscribed. A perceived loss, not an actual loss. What it actually is, is an opportunity cost. An objective loss would be undeniable in the eyes of everyone based on facts.

Fact is, the nature of the free trial is that it comes roughly every 4 months, predictable but unannounced beforehand and also unguaranteed. Current non-subscribers who actually activate the free trial are the beneficiaries, the 7 days never belonged to existing subscribers in the first place.

Knowing this, the event can totally be anticipated, and the player can choose to have the benefit of ESO+ whenever he is playing by staying subbed, or stay unsubbed during periods where the trial is likely to happen. That choice will have benefits and costs, you have to play without ESO+ for a minimum of 3 weeks until you've benefitted from the free trial, and the loss of discounted monthly sub of quarterly, bi-yearly, or yearly rate.

Amottica · October 2021

It is common for games to offer a free trial but I cannot recall any giving subscribers free time as a result.

Also, @Kiralyn2000 brings up a good point, there are some players that have purchased all the DLCs and do not subscribe. They really have no interest and very little benefit from the free trial so what does Zenimax give them?

In the end, we all benefit from the free trial since it is designed to get more players subscribing which is good for the game.

Vindold · October 2021

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I am subbed on multiple accounts, and honestly? no they shouldn't and wont do this.
Here is my reasoning,
ZOS has been offering free ESO+ trials for years now, and these come out once a quarter usually, but are also not guaranteed. When you sub, regardless of the time frame, you are waiving any benefits to anything that ZOS may offer free in the future, in exchange for benefits now or over a longer period.

you still recieved the crowns included in Plus that free trial users dont get access to, these are provided at very close to sale conversion rates. this alone should offset any "lost" time

ESO + trials are designed to entice players to subscribe to ESO+

Plus free trials are a benefit to the community as a whole, and is not a purchase gated item. if you own any version of ESO you can benefit from it, with the exception of those that pay for it.

having ESO Plus allows you the option to access the benefits until a specified renewal date. Access to the game during that time is NOT guaranteed by ZOS. They will maintain the servers as best they can, but if servers go down, or if you violate the TOS they are not obligated to compensate you for lost playtime.

Most of ppl here who speaks against +7 days to sub time are ppl who can afford to pay for ESO+ each month and looks like you guys are not thinking about other ppl who can't afford it, who counts each day of their sub and to defend your point of view you keep grasping for such obvious things like 'Crowns', Discounts...personaly, I benefited from discounts just once, and don't really care about crowns I saved, it's almost nothing, and to really benefit from such discounts you should always buy and buy some discounted stuff with crowns..yes, we also get free tiny statuets...tbh I don't care about them, as well, as majority of players, well, as far as I know.
Sure, extra Crowns are a good bonus,I appreciate it, but it is a bonus, it's not the reason why I'm paying for sub, not to mention, that I can even farm gold to buy some crowns, so yeah, I don't value them so much, what I value is limited access to DLCs\Craftbag\Costume Dyeing\Housing which you can't get for crowns, so I'm paying for a time and time is money, you paid 30 Septims for each day of your Sub and now, without any profit, without any signs of gratitude you got -210 Septims you paid for 7 days, but yeah...you got some discounts which most ppl will not really benefit from, free tiny statuete which you can..well, lol...and lastly crowns which can't extend your access to DLCs\Craftbag\Costume Dyeing\Housing.

As I already noted before, I like how BDO managed it. They simply gives you free 7 days of sub which you can activate any time you want and this 7days will add to your existing Sub time, this is done just right and clean, everyone happy.

JKorr · October 2021

xgoku1 wrote: »

oddbasket wrote: »

xgoku1 wrote: »

4 free weeks of ESO+ is around 12$ off your yearly sub. I would say its a valid gripe.

I don't see why ZOS can't give some crown items in the 400-500c range for people who are subbed during a free ESO+ week. It'd be a nice gesture

I find it amusing that some are mentioning the trial as an absolute loss ($12) to them. It's not, it is perceiving someone else's gain as their loss. A perceived loss, not an actual loss.

This 1 to 1 gain and loss comparison under the guise of fairness is disturbing. If that is the case, wouldn't it be more fair to suggest for ZOS to tally up the number of players who've activated the free trial, and then reward the exact same number of ESO+ players with a bonus? That is a direct 1 to 1 gain and completely fair, no?

In fairness, the number of ESO+ subscribers rewarded will depend on how successful the free trial was, and that we can't measure since we do not really know the figures. But then how would you decide which ESO+ subscribers receive rewards and who don't such that it would be fair?

ZOS will probably reap the benefits of only a fraction of players on the free trial converting to ESO+, but existing ESO+ subscribers are demanding a payout for every single one of them. That seems fair? That just sounds greedy, calculating and petty.

Because these trials are announced out of the blue, people with running overlapping subs feel short changed.

It's an objective loss if you don't care for the crowns. If you got a 1 month sub from Oct-Nov you paid for 4 weeks when you could've paid for 3. Or if known prior they could start their one month sub on the last week of September.

If you're paying for a yearly subscription, you're paying for 12 months when you could've got by with paying for 11.

So that's 8% less value for what you paid 150$ for.

So, if someone misses out on gaming the system, its a reason to rant?

If you pay for a month, you get the crowns as part of the package. You're compensated for paying for the month. If the chance you could actually pay for the eso + and get "cheated" out of a week's worth of it is so distressing, the simple solution is simply to never sub because free not full benefits trials are a thing. Unless the free trialer group starts getting all the benefits of a sub, you really aren't getting cheated out of anything you paid for. Iirc, eso+ works out to $.0.50 (fifty cents) a day. A week is $3.50. It is up to the individual whether the game/eso+ is worth it.

Eliahnus · October 2021

oddbasket wrote: »

I find it amusing that some are mentioning the trial as an absolute loss ($12) to them. It's not, it is perceiving someone else's gain as their loss. A perceived loss, not an actual loss.

From a mathematical point of view : absolutely speaking it is indeed not a loss, relatively speaking it IS a loss.

That you find it to be amusing, it is because you do not (or better : do not want) to understand.
Paying for what others get for free, can never be justified.

(Edited because of typo.)

ElderZeref · October 2021

I want those who do not pay for the subscription to suffer)) Let their resources, at the end of the trial subscription, fall back into the bag, and the extra items in the houses burn. Moreover, it is random.

But, speaking seriously. It seems to me that this is simply unfair. And the best solution would be to never give free ECO + again. This will eliminate all problems and disputes. Whoever needs it will buy it.

JKorr · October 2021

Eliahnus wrote: »

oddbasket wrote: »

I find it amusing that some are mentioning the trial as an absolute loss ($12) to them. It's not, it is perceiving someone else's gain as their loss. A perceived loss, not an actual loss.

From a mathematical point of view : absolutely speaking it is indeed not a loss, relatively speaking it IS a loss.

That you find it to be amusing, it is because you do not (or better : do not want) to understand.
Paying for what others get for free, can never be justified.

(Edited because of typo.)

Darn. My internet provider and cable provider and my smartphone provider owe me big time. I'm paying for services and they keep offering deals and price breaks and stuff to new customers only. :stamps foot and huffs: That is so not fair. Now, back to reality. Marketing schemes to get new customers happen in every business. Every business can justify doing it because new customers means a viable, on-going business. They have my business, unless they screw up massively. What they need are new customers. The only way to avoid being "cheated" is to never pay, use only the limited "free trials" and settle for whatever that limited free trial entails.

I am paying for the full eso+, and I'm getting the full benefit. If the free trial version offered the full benefits, I might be annoyed about it. Since it doesn't, oh well.

oddbasket · October 2021

Eliahnus wrote: »

oddbasket wrote: »

I find it amusing that some are mentioning the trial as an absolute loss ($12) to them. It's not, it is perceiving someone else's gain as their loss. A perceived loss, not an actual loss.

From a mathematical point of view : absolutely speaking it is indeed not a loss, relatively speaking it IS a loss.

That you find it to be amusing, it is because you do not (or better : do not want) to understand.
Paying for what others get for free, can never be justified.

(Edited because of typo.)

The fact that you refer to someone else's gain as your relative loss being definitive of the situation in this case is crazy, because that relative loss here is subjective. It is entirely possible another person in the same situation can see it differently, not as a loss (shown by many ESO+ posters in this thread.)

The free trial is an opportunity cost of a mutually exclusive possibility. Non subscribers are eligible, existing subscribers are not. That free time is ZOS's to give, no time was taken from anyone and given away. Some just perceived it as a loss in value to their subscription, while some didn't. That's it.

Consider a paying customer eating at a restaurant and the manager gives out a hot meal to a beggar outside. That's not unfair to the customer, the meal was the manager's to give. It doesn't need to be justified to the customer. Your claim is simply illogical.

The OP and defenders of the OP's entire premise is that the trial is an unfair practice to them and 7 days of ESO+ is owed because it is an absolute loss. I disagree.

Other defenders may not agree with me, but some are careful to word their arguments as getting something extra in 'goodwill'. That I can stand by, since goodwill is something ZOS can give out and doesn't imply that it is owed.

Lysette · October 2021

ElderZeref wrote: »

But, speaking seriously. It seems to me that this is simply unfair. And the best solution would be to never give free ECO + again. This will eliminate all problems and disputes. Whoever needs it will buy it.

I just reply to the serious part of your post here. We all benefit of subscribers, because a successful game makes it last longer and the quality will most likely be maintained, if not even enhanced in the future, if the game is highly profitable.

Due to that I had a longer pause from ESO, I haven't resubbed just yet. I'm quite surprised, that I did get the free trial as well, even I'm a former long-term subscriber and will resub probably shortly after the trial ends, because I had a chance to see what the antiquities system is like and I really enjoy it - didn't even know that I'm getting access to it with ESO+.

So due to the trial and playing around with the antiquities system, I can see, that this will bring quite some fun doing and gives me a reason to go to certain areas - I'm not much of a quester, but I like exploration and finding stuff - I enjoyed already the skill-line in the psijic order because it brought me to places, I've never visited before. But I'm nearly done with this on 16 characters, so once I have finished that skill line, it will be time to resub and enjoy the antiquities system instead.

TL;DR without this trial I wouldn't have known, that I get access to the antiquities system with ESO+ as well, and I was in doubt, if I should resub during summer (it will be summer shortly here), but now I know, I definitely want to, because of the antiquities system - it will provide me with the same fun, I had with the psijic order skill line.

I would have certainly resubbed anyway, but eventually would have waited until autumn or even next winter - but now I know, I want it shortly after I'm done with the psijic order skill line on all of my characters. The trial actually gets me back to ESO, I spent most of my playtime playing no man's sky recently, which I enjoy by the same reason - awesome exploration - but I will split my playtime and give ESO a larger time slot again - and because it is not fun without ESO+, I will resub of course.

Larcomar · October 2021

Is this thread *still* going...?

xgoku1 · October 2021

Vindold wrote: »

As I already noted before, I like how BDO managed it. They simply gives you free 7 days of sub which you can activate any time you want and this 7days will add to your existing Sub time, this is done just right and clean, everyone happy.

This seems like a diplomatic fix. Let the free ESO+ trial carry over after the sub runs out.

Danikat · October 2021

Amottica wrote: »

It is common for games to offer a free trial but I cannot recall any giving subscribers free time as a result.

Also, @Kiralyn2000 brings up a good point, there are some players that have purchased all the DLCs and do not subscribe. They really have no interest and very little benefit from the free trial so what does Zenimax give them?

In the end, we all benefit from the free trial since it is designed to get more players subscribing which is good for the game.

That's me! I do subscribe occasionally, but not often, and I always buy the DLC I want.

I get two things from free trials; a chance to dye costumes and a time when it's more convenient to fully sort out my bank and inventories (because all the materials go into the craft bag and the double bank space helps). If I think it's worth doing I'll dump everything all my characters have in their inventories into the bank, then go through and withdraw only what they actually need, then sell/deconstruction/delete the excess. Usually it's consumables I picked up without even noticing which got mixed in with the ones I actually use, or discovering I have far more soul gems than I'll ever use.

But it typically takes me an evening to go through all of that, unless I'm not sure about some of the dyes and want to think about it. It always leaves me feeling like I'm missing something, people talk about ESO+ like it completely changes how you play and for me it doesn't seem to make that much difference. It's the same when I've paid for it as well (which I typically do either to get crowns or to get the discounted or exclusive items).

Lysette · October 2021

there is a big difference - with eso+ there is no hassle with inventory space - or nearly none. Furthermore doing crafting writs -alchemy and enchanting - is easily done, because everything is taken from the crafting bag - which is not the case without eso+, even if you have a crafting bag from being subscribed before - it will not automatically take the extra ingredients or rune stones from the crafting bag or bank, like it does with ESO+, and so this is an annoying step you have to do without ESO+.

Not to talk about having access to all DLC zones is a huge benefit as well - and getting some extras from the crown store with the stipend crowns from eso+ is nice as well. ESO+ is well worth it, if one has the time to play ESO often enough that is. This all creates a different experience - the game is actually fun, if you haven't to struggle with inventory/bank space all the time.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · October 2021

Vindold wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

I am subbed on multiple accounts, and honestly? no they shouldn't and wont do this.
Here is my reasoning,
ZOS has been offering free ESO+ trials for years now, and these come out once a quarter usually, but are also not guaranteed. When you sub, regardless of the time frame, you are waiving any benefits to anything that ZOS may offer free in the future, in exchange for benefits now or over a longer period.

you still recieved the crowns included in Plus that free trial users dont get access to, these are provided at very close to sale conversion rates. this alone should offset any "lost" time

ESO + trials are designed to entice players to subscribe to ESO+

Plus free trials are a benefit to the community as a whole, and is not a purchase gated item. if you own any version of ESO you can benefit from it, with the exception of those that pay for it.

having ESO Plus allows you the option to access the benefits until a specified renewal date. Access to the game during that time is NOT guaranteed by ZOS. They will maintain the servers as best they can, but if servers go down, or if you violate the TOS they are not obligated to compensate you for lost playtime.

Most of ppl here who speaks against +7 days to sub time are ppl who can afford to pay for ESO+ each month and looks like you guys are not thinking about other ppl who can't afford it, who counts each day of their sub and to defend your point of view you keep grasping for such obvious things like 'Crowns', Discounts...personaly, I benefited from discounts just once, and don't really care about crowns I saved, it's almost nothing, and to really benefit from such discounts you should always buy and buy some discounted stuff with crowns..yes, we also get free tiny statuets...tbh I don't care about them, as well, as majority of players, well, as far as I know.
Sure, extra Crowns are a good bonus,I appreciate it, but it is a bonus, it's not the reason why I'm paying for sub, not to mention, that I can even farm gold to buy some crowns, so yeah, I don't value them so much, what I value is limited access to DLCs\Craftbag\Costume Dyeing\Housing which you can't get for crowns, so I'm paying for a time and time is money, you paid 30 Septims for each day of your Sub and now, without any profit, without any signs of gratitude you got -210 Septims you paid for 7 days, but yeah...you got some discounts which most ppl will not really benefit from, free tiny statuete which you can..well, lol...and lastly crowns which can't extend your access to DLCs\Craftbag\Costume Dyeing\Housing.

As I already noted before, I like how BDO managed it. They simply gives you free 7 days of sub which you can activate any time you want and this 7days will add to your existing Sub time, this is done just right and clean, everyone happy.

This does sound more balanced (The addition or bonus sub days to existing pre-purchase).

Gundug · October 2021

I find it amusing how people equate the monthly crowns and the small statues you get for subscribing to Plus as being free. All of those items are paid for by the subscription fee. Just because ZOS portrays the statues as free, that doesn’t mean they are. You won’t get them without paying.

It’s also pretty funny to read arguments against receiving further benefits. You are the consumer, right? You aren’t ZOS employees? Why would you argue for less? Some people seem so doggedly against their own self-interest, it’s bewildering.