I think it should be account wide but for each mount. That way we could all level 1 mount if we want and they still get to sell us lessons for crowns for the rest or level them the in game way as is.

So fully levelled sorrel horse for all characters but all your other mounts would be zero.

Not sure how they would carry across current progress though. I'm just a programmer, I let other people worry about what it is they need me to code

Yes and no. I would love to be able to buy more than 1 at a time but buying them all at once seems like a bit much. I'd love to be able to buy like 7 once a week or something along those lines.

Elsonso wrote: »

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

I've been known to drop a couple thousand crowns on speed upgrades on new characters to at least get a head start. Can't stand going that SLOOOOOOW.

... and this is why it is so painful to train horses in this game. It was painful before they decided to monetize mounts, but now that it is a Crown sink, what incentive do they have for QoL improvements? For about $140 in Crowns, you can be 60/60/60 in an hour, and that is even if you stop to grab a snack in the middle.

140x18...

Lucozade85 wrote: »

To be honest I think if you've spent 6 months levelling up a horse then they should be levelled for every character anyway.

This one I agree, but it should be on specific mount:

If you update the horse then the horse should have the speed on all the characters,

If you update wolf, so u get the update for all characters but only the wolf

(I think this how it should be)
(And if the mount system would be very good system, the description of each mount should be aplied to its stats, like of it says that this mount is vety fast, so the mount should has extra + bonus points which is not aplyble for others)

HyekAr wrote: »

Lucozade85 wrote: »

To be honest I think if you've spent 6 months levelling up a horse then they should be levelled for every character anyway.

This one I agree, but it should be on specific mount:

If you update the horse then the horse should have the speed on all the characters,

If you update wolf, so u get the update for all characters but only the wolf

(I think this how it should be)
(And if the mount system would be very good system, the description of each mount should be aplied to its stats, like of it says that this mount is vety fast, so the mount should has extra + bonus points which is not aplyble for others)

I think that would make an already arduous process more difficult. That's just shifting the grind and wait elsewhere and give ZOS another way to monetize an already overpriced area of the game.

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

would be nice to get a small improvement, but for me playing an alt is interesting because of the upgrades i get day after day.

Wouldn't playing the game, exploring, and leveling their skills be more interesting than having to do some daily ritual?

HyekAr wrote: »

Lucozade85 wrote: »

To be honest I think if you've spent 6 months levelling up a horse then they should be levelled for every character anyway.

This one I agree, but it should be on specific mount:

If you update the horse then the horse should have the speed on all the characters,

It's yourself that if being trained, not the mount. That's why you don't have to do each mount separately. You are being trained to ride effectively.

HyekAr wrote: »

Lucozade85 wrote: »

To be honest I think if you've spent 6 months levelling up a horse then they should be levelled for every character anyway.

This one I agree, but it should be on specific mount:

If you update the horse then the horse should have the speed on all the characters,

If you update wolf, so u get the update for all characters but only the wolf

(I think this how it should be)
(And if the mount system would be very good system, the description of each mount should be aplied to its stats, like of it says that this mount is vety fast, so the mount should has extra + bonus points which is not aplyble for others)

Making it mount specific would reeeally discourage people from buying mounts from the Crown store! Unless the mount-specific bonuses were really awesome, but then that would be pay-to-win, which is inappropriate outside of the fashion end game.

I have seen good reasons why a character should need to learn to ride better, longer, faster, etc. over time and not become masters in a day. It makes sense and I’m down with that, but two things:
1) The base speed should be faster, IMHO. It should not be slower than my character without CP, swift jewelry or any other such bonuses.
2) Riding skill should be improved like every other skill in the game, by using it.

I could see having an additional option to pay someone to train you and it makes sense that there would be a cooldown or there would be a maximum that you could pay to train per level, to keep it a supplemental boost to improving through. Such a system could also potentially be an option for other skill lines too, as it was in TES III Morrowind.

It’s the system as it is that feels bad, IMHO, especially to new players who’ve played some other MMO’s (all have their pluses and minuses). To me, when I started, it didn’t feel like a natural level up progression like leveling my abilities, crafting, etc. but an artificial gimping to push me to pay to fix it. Maybe most don’t feel this way about it? Idk. Now I no longer care much about it for myself — I love the game and I have many characters with riding fully trained so it’s just a minor annoyance to park new alts by the stable for a while. It is mostly for new players that I feel that a change to the system would be beneficial.

Absolutely YES (Please forgive the all caps just this one and bear with me).

I always prioritize carrying capacity on my newbies, 180 days of rules imposed on my little newbie always feel harsh and undeserved.

Let's make the mount upgrades account wide, please please on my bended knees

Destai wrote: »

HyekAr wrote: »

Lucozade85 wrote: »

To be honest I think if you've spent 6 months levelling up a horse then they should be levelled for every character anyway.

This one I agree, but it should be on specific mount:

If you update the horse then the horse should have the speed on all the characters,

If you update wolf, so u get the update for all characters but only the wolf

(I think this how it should be)
(And if the mount system would be very good system, the description of each mount should be aplied to its stats, like of it says that this mount is vety fast, so the mount should has extra + bonus points which is not aplyble for others)

I think that would make an already arduous process more difficult. That's just shifting the grind and wait elsewhere and give ZOS another way to monetize an already overpriced area of the game.

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

would be nice to get a small improvement, but for me playing an alt is interesting because of the upgrades i get day after day.

Wouldn't playing the game, exploring, and leveling their skills be more interesting than having to do some daily ritual?[

What do you mean by playing the game? Writs? Pledges? Endeavours? Running the same dungeon or trial? Mount training is no different in terms of leveling skills, and all these things including mount training are part of playing the game.

Tandor wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

HyekAr wrote: »

Lucozade85 wrote: »

To be honest I think if you've spent 6 months levelling up a horse then they should be levelled for every character anyway.

This one I agree, but it should be on specific mount:

If you update the horse then the horse should have the speed on all the characters,

If you update wolf, so u get the update for all characters but only the wolf

(I think this how it should be)
(And if the mount system would be very good system, the description of each mount should be aplied to its stats, like of it says that this mount is vety fast, so the mount should has extra + bonus points which is not aplyble for others)

I think that would make an already arduous process more difficult. That's just shifting the grind and wait elsewhere and give ZOS another way to monetize an already overpriced area of the game.

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

would be nice to get a small improvement, but for me playing an alt is interesting because of the upgrades i get day after day.

Wouldn't playing the game, exploring, and leveling their skills be more interesting than having to do some daily ritual?[

What do you mean by playing the game? Writs? Pledges? Endeavours? Running the same dungeon or trial? Mount training is no different in terms of leveling skills, and all these things including mount training are part of playing the game.

I mean playing - using skills, exploring, doing dungeons, something that requires skill and engagement - much like my comments elsewhere have indicated.

It's not value-added gameplay (to some of us) and it's not consistent with any other system in the game. It needs tweaking at best. The gold sink is helpful, but the 180 days requirement, despite any other effort people put into it, is why it needs to change. I think someone else described it in more clear terms:

moo_2021 wrote: »

How about give everyone max speed and stamina?

There is no "levelling", no in-game experience, nothing but giving tiny bit of gold to a NPC everyday and patiently repeating it for N days.

It's just stupid.

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AlnilamE wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I would like to see it reduced to 30 days and be able to put a point into each of the three categories every day.

This is my preferred option as well.

I think that's a reasonable compromise.

kargen27 wrote: »

Lucozade85 wrote: »

To be honest I think if you've spent 6 months levelling up a horse then they should be levelled for every character anyway.

Originally they were. But if you decided you wanted to use a different horse you had to start all over again. People hated it and were very happy when the game switched to what is in place now. People look at this wrong. The horses/mounts are trained when you purchase them. The character needs to learn to ride. You put someone on a horse that has never been on one before no matter how well trained that horse is if it begins to do more than a walk good chance the person is dismounted. And first time on a horse if you are on for more than maybe an hour of even just walking you are going to regret it soon.

As a role player I can appreciate your perspective, but consider this- why should you have to role play as though a grown adult character has never been on a horse before and doesn't know how to ride one in a world where mounts seem essential, especially since you had a life before your soul was taken from you? I suppose the memory and skill might have been taken as well, but that seems like a poor excuse for a tedious system that is really an artificial inconvenience that encourages the monetization of mount speed on alternate characters.

I'm just not a fan of purposeful inconveniences like mount speed being sugar coated by a story to make it seem okay to push the player towards the cash shop.

Again, I think the first character on the account can go through the long grind- that seems reasonable from a role playing perspective. But As soon as that character fully unlocks 60 levels in any category- whether it be speed, stamina, or capacity, then it would be a welcome change to enable the complete purchase of each category at once with gold on your alternate characters. One could say that the other characters helped them train, and a stretch of the imagination or dialogue could imply that months have been spent training.

I suppose I think differently about it because I have a tendency to completely separate these mechanics from my roleplay experience and don't consider my character to be "in training" from a story perspective. In my head, they are not someone who has never been on a horse before and the mechanic that makes me need to level their mount speed has nothing to do with the story I'm crafting when I play, so accelerating their ability to level that mechanic doesn't bother me at all. That part of the game is just a mechanic to me, not a role play experience. (Thinking of it as a roleplay experience doesn't really... help either. I've done this on 6 of my 11 characters and if it's this tedious to me with the number I have, I can't imagine what its like for those who have way more than me.)

Now, if there were a REAL journey happening here, something other than me running to an NPC every day on every alt and sitting through loading screens repeatedly...THEN I would be into it. If riding my mount, doing a quest specific to my mount, or in some way interacting with my horses and treating them like friends was involved, I'd be there for the daily grind and would be completely on board. Heck, an involved roleplay experience might take even more time than running to an NPC, and I'd be into it. But as it stands....this system is boring and designed to get money out of those playing alts, and if a change was made that means I no longer have to sit through a ton of loading screens every day, I'm all for it.