Will Crossplay ever be implemented?

Elsonso · October 2021

celner4_ESO wrote: »

Remember people who said it wasn’t possible for a transmog system with full dye capabilities to weapons because it was too much tedious work and wouldn’t be possible because of how the game had been made.

I expect that if XBox calls up ZOS and says that they want XBox-PC cross play that ZOS will make it happen. It will probably be within the region (NA/NA and EU/EU) and will probably have some lag, but it can happen if they want to spend the money. I doubt it will happen before then.

I never expect to see any crossplay with Playstation. ESO will probably have Commodore 64 crossplay first.

RedAsKetchum · October 2021

ThorianB wrote: »

On PC the game is plenty busy. The more people in an area the more systems will struggle to render the game. We want to improve performance not make it worse.

Its been what 7 years & performance still sucks. I wouldnt even bring up the topic anymore.

celner4_ESO · October 2021

Elsonso wrote: »

celner4_ESO wrote: »

Remember people who said it wasn’t possible for a transmog system with full dye capabilities to weapons because it was too much tedious work and wouldn’t be possible because of how the game had been made.

I expect that if XBox calls up ZOS and says that they want XBox-PC cross play that ZOS will make it happen. It will probably be within the region (NA/NA and EU/EU) and will probably have some lag, but it can happen if they want to spend the money. I doubt it will happen before then.

I never expect to see any crossplay with Playstation. ESO will probably have Commodore 64 crossplay first.

Maybe! But I’m more wanting cross save for all my purchases not cross play unless they allow an opt in option for console players in pvp… don’t care much about cross play though.

kargen27 · October 2021

"Remember people who said it wasn’t possible for a transmog system with full dye capabilities to weapons because it was too much tedious work and wouldn’t be possible because of how the game had been made."

No and the thread you shared doesn't support your claim. Didn't read the entire thread but I read the majority of posts and the only comments I saw about it being to hard or tedious was people who support the idea and were saying ZoS was just being lazy.
That aside even if you were correct and the thread supported what you said it isn't the same. We have ZoS saying it can't/won't be done.

celner4_ESO · October 2021

kargen27 wrote: »

"Remember people who said it wasn’t possible for a transmog system with full dye capabilities to weapons because it was too much tedious work and wouldn’t be possible because of how the game had been made."

No and the thread you shared doesn't support your claim. Didn't read the entire thread but I read the majority of posts and the only comments I saw about it being to hard or tedious was people who support the idea and were saying ZoS was just being lazy.
That aside even if you were correct and the thread supported what you said it isn't the same. We have ZoS saying it can't/won't be done.

Wait wait wait you say that and won’t cite specifics? Or post ZoS saying they will not do it? Okay lol

You most certainly did not read through the majority if you’re saying that, and not citing ZoS saying they will not do cross save, or citing from the linked post. Literally go to page 5 there’s at least 3 “waste of devs time” on that page alone. TEVIL’s post comes first.

Also this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317383/dye-weapons-with-morrowind/p1

That thread was posted within the thread with further conversation of the whys and why nots, which I can post here if you would like since you want to comment and not read through first

TLDR yes?

kargen27 · October 2021

celner4_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

"Remember people who said it wasn’t possible for a transmog system with full dye capabilities to weapons because it was too much tedious work and wouldn’t be possible because of how the game had been made."

No and the thread you shared doesn't support your claim. Didn't read the entire thread but I read the majority of posts and the only comments I saw about it being to hard or tedious was people who support the idea and were saying ZoS was just being lazy.
That aside even if you were correct and the thread supported what you said it isn't the same. We have ZoS saying it can't/won't be done.

Wait wait wait you say that and won’t cite specifics? Or post ZoS saying they will not do it? Okay lol

You most certainly did not read through the majority if you’re saying that, and not citing ZoS saying they will not do cross save, or citing from the linked post. Literally go to page 5 there’s at least 3 “waste of devs time” on that page alone. TEVIL’s post comes first.

Also this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317383/dye-weapons-with-morrowind/p1

That thread was posted within the thread with further conversation of the whys and why nots, which I can post here if you would like since you want to comment and not read through first

TLDR yes?

Maybe you linked the wrong thread because not one person said that on page five. What is on page five is this:

"Matt Firor also confirmed in an interview that Gear Transmogrification, in some form, is being worked on. Though, who knows when we'll see it"

The discussion was about dyeing weapons and the mention of transmogrification was that maybe weapon eye would come with that system. Nobody saying it wasn't possible in that thread.

Page one of the 2nd thread you linked one person posted the following:

"1. Armor and shields already had dyes prior to it being added. We just couldn't change it.
2. Weapons however, don't already have dyes so, to me it's a big different thing but I also don't believe that random colors are better than actual materials"
and
"I think the bigger idea is is it possible?"

That same person on page two admitted maybe he was wrong about it being more difficult to dye weapons and went on to say he didn't like the idea because colored metal didn't make sense. He then later changed that point of view. So still nobody saying that.

celner4_ESO · October 2021

kargen27 wrote: »

celner4_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

"Remember people who said it wasn’t possible for a transmog system with full dye capabilities to weapons because it was too much tedious work and wouldn’t be possible because of how the game had been made."

No and the thread you shared doesn't support your claim. Didn't read the entire thread but I read the majority of posts and the only comments I saw about it being to hard or tedious was people who support the idea and were saying ZoS was just being lazy.
That aside even if you were correct and the thread supported what you said it isn't the same. We have ZoS saying it can't/won't be done.

Wait wait wait you say that and won’t cite specifics? Or post ZoS saying they will not do it? Okay lol

You most certainly did not read through the majority if you’re saying that, and not citing ZoS saying they will not do cross save, or citing from the linked post. Literally go to page 5 there’s at least 3 “waste of devs time” on that page alone. TEVIL’s post comes first.

Also this

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/317383/dye-weapons-with-morrowind/p1

That thread was posted within the thread with further conversation of the whys and why nots, which I can post here if you would like since you want to comment and not read through first

TLDR yes?

Maybe you linked the wrong thread because not one person said that on page five. What is on page five is this:

"Matt Firor also confirmed in an interview that Gear Transmogrification, in some form, is being worked on. Though, who knows when we'll see it"

The discussion was about dyeing weapons and the mention of transmogrification was that maybe weapon eye would come with that system. Nobody saying it wasn't possible in that thread.

Page one of the 2nd thread you linked one person posted the following:

"1. Armor and shields already had dyes prior to it being added. We just couldn't change it.
2. Weapons however, don't already have dyes so, to me it's a big different thing but I also don't believe that random colors are better than actual materials"
and
"I think the bigger idea is is it possible?"

That same person on page two admitted maybe he was wrong about it being more difficult to dye weapons and went on to say he didn't like the idea because colored metal didn't make sense. He then later changed that point of view. So still nobody saying that.

I’ve linked two separate threads now. You seem to be trying to pin point something not there for the sake of arguing? My point was naysayers, the “they won’t do this, they can’t do this, they arent Wanting to do this, waste of time, waste of resources, etc etc etc” which yes there are naysayers in both threads who did say can’t be done the one you pointed out from the very first page of that second thread I posted yes good job, and plenty of waste of resources and time. Did this clarification appease you at all? Others reading through this can go to those threads and read for themselves but you’re ignoring all t the other nay saying and hyper focusing on not possible even though that was there too on the first page of that second thread as well. He changed his point of view yes! Hopefully others can about the nay saying of cross save!

Forgive any spelling errors too not checking through for grammar…

You forgot maybe, but again where did ZoS say they can’t and won’t do cross save? They’ve said:

https://gamingbolt.com/elder-scrolls-online-team-aware-crossplay-features-are-wanted/amp

“We know this is kind of what players want,” said Lambert. “And we are starting to see more and more announcements about it. We don’t have anything on the roadmap currently, but we’re aware.”

Neither a can’t or will not.

Or the Blackwood release interview with creative director Rich Lambert who says in that interview it’s a very difficult problem to solve with the system they had built at the time in 2007, and because of that they don’t know if they will ever go down that road, but it’s not impossible.

It was not a focus for them at that time of other issues to solve, still may not be. But he specifically does not say it’s impossible or they absolutely will not do it because like he said anything is possible… it may not be around the corner by any means but could be a problem solved in the future. Suffice to say I’m hopeful even though yes it would be a very difficult problem for them to solve more so on the cross play aspect than the cross save feature based on his talking points about those two issues in that interview. Worth a watch!

Riddari · October 2021

Honestly the servers is the biggest hurdle imo. The whole msoft sony thing is irrelevant. Look at destiny. Bungie made it so you log into a Bungie account when you play and that Bungie account can be accessed from either console or pc. Sony and msoft can't do [snip] about it.

If you're worried about ppl needing to rename im sure theyll just make it so when you make a zos account you'll have "gamertag" with added numbers at the end for your unique id (which is how the game will see you) and then character names no longer need to be unique and will essentially just be for show.

[edited for profanity bypass]

Meiox · October 2021

Nestor wrote: »

Back at console launch, players could copy to the consoles, so lots of dups.

PC Players have Addons, unfair advantage

Stadia has also no Addons and has cross play with pc

Elsonso · October 2021

Riddari wrote: »

Honestly the servers is the biggest hurdle imo. The whole msoft sony thing is irrelevant. Look at destiny. Bungie made it so you log into a Bungie account when you play and that Bungie account can be accessed from either console or pc. Sony and msoft can't do [snip] about it.

Well, given that ZOS is part of XBox, I would imagine that XBox will have a very big say about it.

Riddari wrote: »

If you're worried about ppl needing to rename im sure theyll just make it so when you make a zos account you'll have "gamertag" with added numbers at the end for your unique id (which is how the game will see you) and then character names no longer need to be unique and will essentially just be for show.

Character name collisions are a technical issue. Account name collisions are a larger issue. Neither is insolvable, but it may be ugly. Names is probably among the smaller of the many technical issues that they would face with developing crossplay.

Meiox wrote: »

Stadia has also no Addons and has cross play with pc

I don't consider Stadia to be "cross play" any more than I consider Steam to be. To me, what makes it cross play is the walled garden, and Stadia does not have one with respect to ESO.

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celner4_ESO · October 2021

Elsonso wrote: »

Riddari wrote: »

Honestly the servers is the biggest hurdle imo. The whole msoft sony thing is irrelevant. Look at destiny. Bungie made it so you log into a Bungie account when you play and that Bungie account can be accessed from either console or pc. Sony and msoft can't do [snip] about it.

Well, given that ZOS is part of XBox, I would imagine that XBox will have a very big say about it.

Riddari wrote: »

If you're worried about ppl needing to rename im sure theyll just make it so when you make a zos account you'll have "gamertag" with added numbers at the end for your unique id (which is how the game will see you) and then character names no longer need to be unique and will essentially just be for show.

Character name collisions are a technical issue. Account name collisions are a larger issue. Neither is insolvable, but it may be ugly. Names is probably among the smaller of the many technical issues that they would face with developing crossplay.

[edited to remove quote]

I think one simple to think of ‘fix’ for the names issue be it cross saving or cross play would be a “Bethesda” account name which would be created/assigned the day either of those features released. Which would be unique to the account and separate from platforms. And people could keep their character names with the primary identifier being that Bethesda account name not individual character names or respective platform usernames.

kargen27 · October 2021

"I’ve linked two separate threads now. You seem to be trying to pin point something not there for the sake of arguing? My point was naysayers, the “they won’t do this, they can’t do this, they arent Wanting to do this, waste of time, waste of resources, etc etc etc” which yes there are naysayers in both threads"

One naysayer in one thread that later changed his mind. There were some that didn't want weapons dyed because they didn't want weapons dyed. That is a different category. You are trying to conflate people not wanting weapons dyed because they think it would look silly into players saying they don't want weapons dyed because it would be hard to do. So far you've provided nothing that supports your case.

Here ya go. "In a recent interview with WCCF Tech, game director, Matt Firor stated that Zenimax Online would not be implementing support for cross-play in ESO, due to the varying requirements of each platform. “That is not a technical issue, it’s a business issue,” he said. “We’re on different platforms and each partner has its own ideas on which groups they want their players to be with."
Now I've backed my claim with an actual quote. Your turn.

celner4_ESO · October 2021

kargen27 wrote: »

"I’ve linked two separate threads now. You seem to be trying to pin point something not there for the sake of arguing? My point was naysayers, the “they won’t do this, they can’t do this, they arent Wanting to do this, waste of time, waste of resources, etc etc etc” which yes there are naysayers in both threads"

One naysayer in one thread that later changed his mind. There were some that didn't want weapons dyed because they didn't want weapons dyed. That is a different category. You are trying to conflate people not wanting weapons dyed because they think it would look silly into players saying they don't want weapons dyed because it would be hard to do. So far you've provided nothing that supports your case.

Here ya go. "In a recent interview with WCCF Tech, game director, Matt Firor stated that Zenimax Online would not be implementing support for cross-play in ESO, due to the varying requirements of each platform. “That is not a technical issue, it’s a business issue,” he said. “We’re on different platforms and each partner has its own ideas on which groups they want their players to be with."
Now I've backed my claim with an actual quote. Your turn.

Dude lol

https://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-interview-looking-ahead-with-game-director-matt-firor/

That was from back in 2016, both of what I posted were from after that, Blackwood interview being a few months ago…

You’re saying I’m conflating, and you say “one” nay sayer. You aren’t reading through those two threads there are far more than one, you just want to argue for the sake of it at this point… other people in the thread who can read through all of both those threads like I said before, I’ll repeat, you’re hyper focusing on me saying ‘not possible’ to do when my point wasn’t that specifically it WAS just nay saying in general. I feel like I’m getting interviewed by Cathy Newman xD

Riddari · October 2021

celner4_ESO wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Riddari wrote: »

Honestly the servers is the biggest hurdle imo. The whole msoft sony thing is irrelevant. Look at destiny. Bungie made it so you log into a Bungie account when you play and that Bungie account can be accessed from either console or pc. Sony and msoft can't do [snip] about it.

Well, given that ZOS is part of XBox, I would imagine that XBox will have a very big say about it.

Riddari wrote: »

If you're worried about ppl needing to rename im sure theyll just make it so when you make a zos account you'll have "gamertag" with added numbers at the end for your unique id (which is how the game will see you) and then character names no longer need to be unique and will essentially just be for show.

Character name collisions are a technical issue. Account name collisions are a larger issue. Neither is insolvable, but it may be ugly. Names is probably among the smaller of the many technical issues that they would face with developing crossplay.

[edited to remove quote]

I think one simple to think of ‘fix’ for the names issue be it cross saving or cross play would be a “Bethesda” account name which would be created/assigned the day either of those features released. Which would be unique to the account and separate from platforms. And people could keep their character names with the primary identifier being that Bethesda account name not individual character names or respective platform usernames.

This is what i was trying to say but failed lol

And what i meant by msoft or Sony not having a say is that they wouldn't be able to STOP a platform from being crossplay or cross save because all of that will come down to the Bethesda/zos account and not xbox live/psn account. Theoretically of course.

kargen27 · October 2021

celner4_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

"I’ve linked two separate threads now. You seem to be trying to pin point something not there for the sake of arguing? My point was naysayers, the “they won’t do this, they can’t do this, they arent Wanting to do this, waste of time, waste of resources, etc etc etc” which yes there are naysayers in both threads"

One naysayer in one thread that later changed his mind. There were some that didn't want weapons dyed because they didn't want weapons dyed. That is a different category. You are trying to conflate people not wanting weapons dyed because they think it would look silly into players saying they don't want weapons dyed because it would be hard to do. So far you've provided nothing that supports your case.

Here ya go. "In a recent interview with WCCF Tech, game director, Matt Firor stated that Zenimax Online would not be implementing support for cross-play in ESO, due to the varying requirements of each platform. “That is not a technical issue, it’s a business issue,” he said. “We’re on different platforms and each partner has its own ideas on which groups they want their players to be with."
Now I've backed my claim with an actual quote. Your turn.

Dude lol

https://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-interview-looking-ahead-with-game-director-matt-firor/

That was from back in 2016, both of what I posted were from after that, Blackwood interview being a few months ago…

You’re saying I’m conflating, and you say “one” nay sayer. You aren’t reading through those two threads there are far more than one, you just want to argue for the sake of it at this point… other people in the thread who can read through all of both those threads like I said before, I’ll repeat, you’re hyper focusing on me saying ‘not possible’ to do when my point wasn’t that specifically it WAS just nay saying in general.

You told me what page to go to after I told you I read the thread and it didn't say what you claimed. I went back and read the specific page you said to read. "Literally go to page 5 there’s at least 3 “waste of devs time”"

I went to page five. I read it. I read it again. Then after you posted here I went back again and now have gone again today. Nobody said what you are claiming. Not even you. In fact you thanked someone for telling you they were working on something that would allow it. There were some people that said they would rather see other things prioritized. There was not nay saying in general in the context you provided. People said they didn't want to see pink swords. How that became to hard for ZoS to do as was the premise of your whole post I don't know.

What you posted doesn't change what I posted. I claimed ZoS stated they can't do it. Your two quotes don't change the quote I provided. They are the corporate way of saying the same thing. We can't do it from a business stance and we don't see it happening any time soon are essentially the same statement. The last actually should give you less hope as the first suggests if the other companies all worked together it could be a thing.

celner4_ESO · October 2021

kargen27 wrote: »

celner4_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

"I’ve linked two separate threads now. You seem to be trying to pin point something not there for the sake of arguing? My point was naysayers, the “they won’t do this, they can’t do this, they arent Wanting to do this, waste of time, waste of resources, etc etc etc” which yes there are naysayers in both threads"

One naysayer in one thread that later changed his mind. There were some that didn't want weapons dyed because they didn't want weapons dyed. That is a different category. You are trying to conflate people not wanting weapons dyed because they think it would look silly into players saying they don't want weapons dyed because it would be hard to do. So far you've provided nothing that supports your case.

Here ya go. "In a recent interview with WCCF Tech, game director, Matt Firor stated that Zenimax Online would not be implementing support for cross-play in ESO, due to the varying requirements of each platform. “That is not a technical issue, it’s a business issue,” he said. “We’re on different platforms and each partner has its own ideas on which groups they want their players to be with."
Now I've backed my claim with an actual quote. Your turn.

Dude lol

https://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-interview-looking-ahead-with-game-director-matt-firor/

That was from back in 2016, both of what I posted were from after that, Blackwood interview being a few months ago…

You’re saying I’m conflating, and you say “one” nay sayer. You aren’t reading through those two threads there are far more than one, you just want to argue for the sake of it at this point… other people in the thread who can read through all of both those threads like I said before, I’ll repeat, you’re hyper focusing on me saying ‘not possible’ to do when my point wasn’t that specifically it WAS just nay saying in general.

You told me what page to go to after I told you I read the thread and it didn't say what you claimed. I went back and read the specific page you said to read. "Literally go to page 5 there’s at least 3 “waste of devs time”"

I went to page five. I read it. I read it again. Then after you posted here I went back again and now have gone again today. Nobody said what you are claiming. Not even you. In fact you thanked someone for telling you they were working on something that would allow it. There were some people that said they would rather see other things prioritized. There was not nay saying in general in the context you provided. People said they didn't want to see pink swords. How that became to hard for ZoS to do as was the premise of your whole post I don't know.

What you posted doesn't change what I posted. I claimed ZoS stated they can't do it. Your two quotes don't change the quote I provided. They are the corporate way of saying the same thing. We can't do it from a business stance and we don't see it happening any time soon are essentially the same statement. The last actually should give you less hope as the first suggests if the other companies all worked together it could be a thing.

Yes there were people who didn’t want pink apocalypse swords. But there were others throughout that thread and the other that felt it a waste of time, like you still refuse to acknowledge my clarification it’s not the specificities of the nay saying it’s the nay saying in itself whatever their opinions were on why they didn’t want it or why they didn’t think it should be done.

And at this point I’m sorry you feel that way, but I disagree with what you are saying. I don’t want to argue for the sake of it. You aren’t wanting to hear me out, maybe you feel the same and I’m not hearing you out. Agree to disagree? Can we be adults and move on? I wish you well!

kargen27 · October 2021

"like you still refuse to acknowledge my clarification it’s not the specificities of the nay saying it’s the nay saying in itself whatever their opinions were on why they didn’t want it or why they didn’t think it should be done."

Because you changed your position. This is the comment I replied to "Remember people who said it wasn’t possible for a transmog system with full dye capabilities to weapons because it was too much tedious work and wouldn’t be possible because of how the game had been made."

and nobody said that in the thread you provided. Yes there were people that didn't like the idea for a variety of reasons. There were also some that liked the idea but thought other things were more important. You clarified by saying "I’ve linked two separate threads now. You seem to be trying to pin point something not there for the sake of arguing? My point was naysayers, the “they won’t do this, they can’t do this, they arent Wanting to do this, waste of time, waste of resources, etc etc etc”"
That is the same thing. All those amount to the same thing. You are claiming they were laying the blame on ZoS when in fact most just didn't want pink swords and others thought other things should be a priority. Two people said it might be hard. That is it. Went through all eleven pages again. One player said "meh, waste of time really". Another player said dyeing real weapons was a waste of time other than ceremonial weapons because first time in battle the dye comes off. Didn't specifically look but don't remember seeing a comment saying ZoS couldn't do it. Maybe one slipped by?

Doesn't matter though we have ZoS saying for whatever reason that crossplay isn't something coming and to my knowledge they never said that about dyeing weapons. I could be off on that though.

And on crossplay I am of the opinion even if they could do it at this point they probably shouldn't. I think beyond the PC advantage it could wreak havoc on the economy across the platforms for a good long time. Flipping items could get brutal.

celner4_ESO · October 2021

kargen27 wrote: »

"like you still refuse to acknowledge my clarification it’s not the specificities of the nay saying it’s the nay saying in itself whatever their opinions were on why they didn’t want it or why they didn’t think it should be done."

Because you changed your position. This is the comment I replied to "Remember people who said it wasn’t possible for a transmog system with full dye capabilities to weapons because it was too much tedious work and wouldn’t be possible because of how the game had been made."

and nobody said that in the thread you provided. Yes there were people that didn't like the idea for a variety of reasons. There were also some that liked the idea but thought other things were more important. You clarified by saying "I’ve linked two separate threads now. You seem to be trying to pin point something not there for the sake of arguing? My point was naysayers, the “they won’t do this, they can’t do this, they arent Wanting to do this, waste of time, waste of resources, etc etc etc”"
That is the same thing. All those amount to the same thing. You are claiming they were laying the blame on ZoS when in fact most just didn't want pink swords and others thought other things should be a priority. Two people said it might be hard. That is it. Went through all eleven pages again. One player said "meh, waste of time really". Another player said dyeing real weapons was a waste of time other than ceremonial weapons because first time in battle the dye comes off. Didn't specifically look but don't remember seeing a comment saying ZoS couldn't do it. Maybe one slipped by?

Doesn't matter though we have ZoS saying for whatever reason that crossplay isn't something coming and to my knowledge they never said that about dyeing weapons. I could be off on that though.

And on crossplay I am of the opinion even if they could do it at this point they probably shouldn't. I think beyond the PC advantage it could wreak havoc on the economy across the platforms for a good long time. Flipping items could get brutal.

I didn’t change my stance at all I still feel the same way, if I said remember the nay sayers and left it at that maybe you’d have been okay with it?
Naysayer - a person who criticizes, objects to, or opposes something.

Hey you’re nay saying

I agree it would not be good if they didn’t figure out a way to mitigate economically for the game. One way they could do that in terms of cross play is you don’t have access to traders or trading with the platform you’re joining for cross play except for dungeon loot and items like that that are tradeable in dungeons/raids. For cross saving, they could force you to choose which preferred platform you sell on and you can only sell on that platform and maybe give you a 1-3month grace period until you can switch preferred platform to sell/trade on. Definitely problematic if something was not in place to keep flipping from happening and swapping back and forth to get best prices or to sell for more. And when it comes to pc advantage, if console has an option to opt in knowing the disadvantages, then there’s that as an option if it’s doable.

NordSwordnBoard · October 2021

HalfRain216 wrote: »

ThorianB wrote: »

On PC the game is plenty busy. The more people in an area the more systems will struggle to render the game. We want to improve performance not make it worse.

Then why hasn’t performance been addressed and improved?
As consumers we pay for this game under the impression it will work how it is marketed to work.
We are essentially paying there wages and they won’t fix the performance issues [snip]

There will be no lack of money or manpower once Microsoft’s acquisition goes through in July.

[Edited to remove Bashing]

LMFAO

Elsonso · October 2021

Riddari wrote: »

And what i meant by msoft or Sony not having a say is that they wouldn't be able to STOP a platform from being crossplay or cross save because all of that will come down to the Bethesda/zos account and not xbox live/psn account. Theoretically of course.

What you refer to is a technical issue, and everyone who plays ESO already has a non-console account stored on ZOS servers that is actually used to play the game. On top of that, ZOS owns and manages the game servers, and cross play is essentially just the two game servers exchanging current game state. (one implementation, that is) From a technical issue, I have to think that the "first party" is somewhat out of the loop, anyway.

The bigger issue is that of bypassing the first party conditions. Most of us have no idea what is in that contract with Playstation and XBox. It may include conditions for cross play, so if the studio bypasses that contract and does it against what is stated in the contract, you can certainly bet that Sony and Microsoft will be able to step in and shut it down.

However, as I stated above, in the case of ESO, XBox has a HUGE say in whether ESO supports cross play. If ZOS tries an end run, and parent company XBox does not want it, that door will be closed fast. It may take longer for Sony to respond, but all XBox has to do is pick up Slack and send a "Hi Matt, what are you doing?" message.

SkillzMFG · October 2021

Nestor wrote: »

PC Players have Addons, unfair advantage

Yeah because people in ESO care more about competition than playing with their friends.

zaria · October 2021

Riddari wrote: »

Honestly the servers is the biggest hurdle imo. The whole msoft sony thing is irrelevant. Look at destiny. Bungie made it so you log into a Bungie account when you play and that Bungie account can be accessed from either console or pc. Sony and msoft can't do *** about it.

If you're worried about ppl needing to rename im sure theyll just make it so when you make a zos account you'll have "gamertag" with added numbers at the end for your unique id (which is how the game will see you) and then character names no longer need to be unique and will essentially just be for show.

Agree, we will get the same issues we get during events at an much larger scale and more common.
You know hour long queues for campaigns and dungeon and BG finder going down hard. Also logon issues.

It will not be cross-play as so but server merges. And it will obvious renaming, primarily all the characters.
If they not simply allow duplicate character names and require you to use player names for sending mail, inviting to groups and so on.

Wolf_Eye · October 2021

SkillzMFG wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

PC Players have Addons, unfair advantage

Yeah because people in ESO care more about competition than playing with their friends.

Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but there are TONS of threads made by PVPers every single day in the forums talking about how unfair certain gear sets are. PVPers as a whole seem to care a LOT about competition.

Even if you ignore the economy and Arena/Trial leaderboard fans, you would need to make crossplay optional in PVP or else there's going to be tons of very angry people.

Elsonso · October 2021

zaria wrote: »

It will not be cross-play as so but server merges. And it will obvious renaming, primarily all the characters.
If they not simply allow duplicate character names and require you to use player names for sending mail, inviting to groups and so on.

In a merge, one server would be the base server and the other would be merging into that server. Duplicates would have to be resolved on the merging server before the merge happened. If the player did not change duplicate account or character names, the merge processing would have to do that for them. Accounts owned by the same person on both servers would simply be merged and the base server would have the characters from both.

jaws343 · October 2021

Cross play would be an awful idea for a few reasons:

1. PC has an inherent advantage with addons and differing UI and input controls. This would be awful in PVP for one. And pretty bad in most content.
2. Xbox and PS have differing infrastructure. To the point where the game can be perfectly fine on one console for a patch and completely broken on another.
3. PC patches come out weeks before console. The varying of Maintenance patches, and different fixes being held on console until the next main release, would mean no system is running the same version of the game.

MEBengalsFan2001 · October 2021

ESO should move forward with cross play for consoles and PC onto a single server. The first issues is naming of characters.

Second is performance of consoles vs PC. Well I play ESO with my PS4 friends regularly and I get the 4K+ 60 FPS, etc.. while they deal with whatever the PS4 can handle. I don't lose my visual benefits or performance gains that the PS5 offers. Similar can be done with console and PC merging together, they already have the knowledge of how it works given current gen and prior gen consoles are both on ESO.

Why do this...the best answer I can give is the increase in game population and reduce servers. This should allow ZoS than to focus on improving its server as it would be one mega server for all platforms.

Do PC players have an advantage. Yes, with Add On. Could the difference between PC and console be resolved, yes with banning add on to ensure fair game play between platforms.

And if anyone think it cannot be done for a action MMO like ESO where PC and console players are on one server, well to late DCUO has already accomplish this task and PSN and PC are on the same server.

Wolf_Eye · October 2021

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Do PC players have an advantage. Yes, with Add On. Could the difference between PC and console be resolved, yes with banning add on to ensure fair game play between platforms.

I'm sorry, but do you really think PC players are going to be happy when they ban every single Add On in the game?

I can't see it happening.

kargen27 · October 2021

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

ESO should move forward with cross play for consoles and PC onto a single server. The first issues is naming of characters.

Second is performance of consoles vs PC. Well I play ESO with my PS4 friends regularly and I get the 4K+ 60 FPS, etc.. while they deal with whatever the PS4 can handle. I don't lose my visual benefits or performance gains that the PS5 offers. Similar can be done with console and PC merging together, they already have the knowledge of how it works given current gen and prior gen consoles are both on ESO.

Why do this...the best answer I can give is the increase in game population and reduce servers. This should allow ZoS than to focus on improving its server as it would be one mega server for all platforms.

Do PC players have an advantage. Yes, with Add On. Could the difference between PC and console be resolved, yes with banning add on to ensure fair game play between platforms.

And if anyone think it cannot be done for a action MMO like ESO where PC and console players are on one server, well to late DCUO has already accomplish this task and PSN and PC are on the same server.

Lack of population is not a problem most of the time. I would bet one exotic mount and three pets that the number of servers being cut in third would have zero effect of focus to server performance.

PC players will leave in droves if they lose add-ons. That aside there are other advantages to playing on PC.

To paraphrase Jurassic Park it isn't a matter of if they can but if they should. Combat dynamics also much different in DCUO. I'm thinking keyboard/mouse in ESO would have distinct advantage but I've never been good with controller so I am biased in that opinion.

wolfie1.0. · October 2021

At this point with Microsoft owning Zenimax Media and the announcement that the majority of the games produced by Zenimax will be exclusive to PC and Xbox, I don't see that cross play with Sony will be an option. Added to that is that Sony has for a long time been against cross play and when they allow it they put in some very strict restrictions to doing it, to the point that they have blocked it for devs for certain games.

Also, do not count out the attachment that players have to their character names. I have been in several server mergers in MMO's and I have lost beloved character names because someone else was able to claim it before i was able to do so. After the last one. I quit. I have such an attachment to ESO characters. If i lose one of the names i have had for YEARS i will quit. and i know others that would do the same.

PC players including myself won't give up on addons. the ONLY way i would do so is if ZOS does some very very heavy QOL changes that would essentially make most addons obsolete.

Factoring in the costs and expenses and the risks invloved enabling such a thing, I don't see how ZOS wins in doing this. ESO was not built with cross play in mind. It would probably be cheaper and more cost effective for ZOS to just release a server that is for crossplay itself, and everyone start fresh on it.

DestroyerPewnack · October 2021

I don't know if these have been mentioned before, but the main issues I would have with crossplay are the difference in lag severity (console is way worse than PC,) and the speed at which you can turn your camera. I'm thinking of sorcs streaking and quickly turning around, as well as LoS'ing in general. These, along with add-on's and fps would guarantee that it would become pointless to play on console.