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Another Campaign FAILURE on PS4
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NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Event at the beginning messed up the pop, AD & DC never recovered. Many gave up when they saw the score deficit after event. I had quality people from my guild go to Yellow this campaign before it started. This year, we've had some close campaigns as well - don't forget to mention EP coming back and beating AD's 10k lead earlier this year.
I'm all for improving Cyrodiil and even changing AP gaining methods. The current campaign is a bad example though. The new sets introduced and event for IC did weird things to all the populations.
Also, we have a certain "2k Man of the People" doing yelling lots of positive stuff & things on EP's side this campaign lol.
Fear is the Mindkiller1 -
AuraStorm43✭✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Event at the beginning messed up the pop, AD & DC never recovered. Many gave up when they saw the score deficit after event. I had quality people from my guild go to Yellow this campaign before it started. This year, we've had some close campaigns as well - don't forget to mention EP coming back and beating AD's 10k lead earlier this year.
I'm all for improving Cyrodiil and even changing AP gaining methods. The current campaign is a bad example though. The new sets introduced and event for IC did weird things to all the populations.
Also, we have a certain "2k Man of the People" doing yelling lots of positive stuff & things on EP's side this campaign lol.
Can’t imagine what zc is like for y’all ours is pretty bad lol
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trackdemon5512✭✭✭✭✭
✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Event at the beginning messed up the pop, AD & DC never recovered. Many gave up when they saw the score deficit after event. I had quality people from my guild go to Yellow this campaign before it started. This year, we've had some close campaigns as well - don't forget to mention EP coming back and beating AD's 10k lead earlier this year.
I'm all for improving Cyrodiil and even changing AP gaining methods. The current campaign is a bad example though. The new sets introduced and event for IC did weird things to all the populations.
Also, we have a certain "2k Man of the People" doing yelling lots of positive stuff & things on EP's side this campaign lol.
As I’ve said before this goes beyond the current campaign. Well beyond. It’s been happening for years and regardless no campaign should be so lopsided in terms of scoring.
The photos @GoodFella146 and @SkadiMZ posted are 20 days into a campaign. 9 days left. With SkadiMZ’s campaign what incentive is there for a faction to play to win at that point? There is no way to come back, get close, or do anything meaningful. The campaign is essentially dead and the keeps will basically stay one color till the end.
This also means that 1/3rd of an entire campaign is completely wasted and that’s incredibly stupid. The point of the game from the developer’s perspective is to keep players constantly engaged. 66% engagement of uptime is failing at that.2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You just have to find group leaders and guilds that get on and play to win the campaign.
Posting on the forums will do nothing as what do you want ZOS to actually do?
Only 1 alliance can win a campaign at a time no matter what restrictions get put in place.
DC has to work very hard against the sheer number of EP and AD there are because of Skyrim.
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katanagirl1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When you log in and your campaign has one bar and the others have 3 bars?
Find another campaign or your day is ruined.
That’s pretty much what happens the last week of campaign lately.
The problem is... Blackreach might be an option but all other campaigns are empty.
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Odovacar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Call Gooch to your side and even some things out, lol. EP and DC usually rule the roost on NA but on EU it's a bit different though.2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PS4 NA Blackreach is being completely destroyed by AD at this very momment.
They night capped again, I don't want to hear how bad AD has it.2 -
vms11934✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »PS4 NA Blackreach is being completely destroyed by AD at this very momment.
They night capped again, I don't want to hear how bad AD has it.
It's just disgusting. DC ran rampant from 6pm to 2am and ended up controlling everything. Then four to six ... 'people' ... probably logged on at 4am and took everything back.
BROKEN GAME
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GoodFella146✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »PS4 NA Blackreach is being completely destroyed by AD at this very momment.
They night capped again, I don't want to hear how bad AD has it.
I feel like I've said the point of the thread several times and you just want to turn it into something else smh0 -
trackdemon5512✭✭✭✭✭
✭I signed onto Cyrodiil for an hour earlier this week. Red had 3 bars. Blue had 1 bar. Yellow had 1 bar.
No low pop bonus or score bonus. Something is clearly broken here.
No incentives for players to get on and when imbalances like this continue for hours it only helps to further skew the score.3 -
trackdemon5512✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Most of the reds on that campaign are straight up ap farmers and boosters.
Even so, this is an issue across every campaign, time and time again. If your campaigns are a single color for 80-90% of the time, whether it’s a week or 30 days, you’re doing something wrong.
No you can’t control who signs on and who signs off but as a developer it’s your job in designing a competitive atmosphere that it’s actually competitive.
8 days into the 30 day campaign above in @GoodFella146 pic and it’s already uncompetitive. It’s not atypical and thus indicative of a large problem that the devs need to address.0 -
GoodFella146✭✭✭✭✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »8 days into the 30 day campaign above in @GoodFella146 pic and it’s already uncompetitive. It’s not atypical and thus indicative of a large problem that the devs need to address.
^ Basically this0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So dumb it down and take away choice of what alliance you play on, is that what you want?
It would suck to be assigned to an alliance when you queue, that would be the only way to balance alliances.
Or dumb it down even further and have only 2 alliances?
There is no solution if players all want to hop on the fattest alliance.
You could turn off campaign scoring at night to prevent out of region scoring by night capping but that is hardly fair either.
I guess our DC guild needs to come back from Blackreach. lol
Most left because Grayhost is a lagfest.
Edited by TequilaFire on October 9, 2021 7:22PM0 -
trackdemon5512✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »So dumb it down and take away choice of what alliance you play on, is that what you want?
It would suck to be assigned to an alliance when you queue, that would be the only way to balance alliances.
Or dumb it down even further and have only 2 alliances?
There is no solution if players all want to hop on the fattest alliance.
You could turn off campaign scoring at night to prevent out of region scoring by night capping but that is hardly fair either.
I guess our DC guild needs to come back from Blackreach. lol
You’re missing the point. This isn’t just about one incident or groups of good players bouncing around and causing skewed scoring.
This is about encouraging a more competitive system for balanced Cyrodiil PVP.
MarioKart for example acknowledges that bad/unlucky players who are constantly in the rear are likely to get turned off from the game and quit. That evidence could be pulled from the SNES iteration which was a very evenhanded racer. So what did the developers do? They skewed bonuses to those further back in place and introduced the blue shell.
Sure first place players got a lot more points when they won races but those in last place were given a fair chance at catching up, not quitting, and thus allowing circuits of 5 races to be completed without people feeling like failures.
ESO doesn’t have that. When you fall behind, you tend to stay behind. And the gap only grows. And subsequently players either quit and/or don’t engage. And what you’re left with are die hards cheesing for AP without challenge.
It’s unbalanced and anti-competitively designed and it happens again and again every campaign. We’re asking for it to be examined because 2/3rds of a campaign not actually being competitive isn’t enjoyable for most players.0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There have been many tight and come from behind campaigns, but those are somehow forgotten.
The low population of PvP in general is causing even more lopsidedness.
If any thing is the problem - Why does the alliance with the highest score get the most bonus?
Buff the underdog some but it is up to the players to socialize and get their stuff together as well.
Playing mostly solo on some alliances is what causes this in a group zone.
We have this problem on DC, everybody is an independent contractor except a few guild groups which don't get along.
Guess what, that new game is having problems with the largest factions controlling things as well.Edited by TequilaFire on October 9, 2021 7:54PM0 -
EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭As you have said,
@GoodFella146
It's a behavior issue. I don't know how ZOS can change the behavior of any of the players when they aren't violating TOS.
Should the leading faction have their scoring disabled if they are too far ahead?
How about the map resets at the start of every campaign. Each faction starts with their tri-keeps and Scrolls and the other keeps are populated with NPCs?
Better rewards for losing?
All of those ideas are exploitation fodder. I just don't see Zeni fixing what is essentially a player created problem.1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The map should reset at the beginning of every campaign that I can agree on.
One should not start with an advantage.
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EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »The map should reset at the beginning of every campaign that I can agree on.
One should not start with an advantage.
But whichever faction owned the keeps would still have the advantage unless all players were returned to their respective safe areas. If you were inside the keep at the changeover, you would essentially just have to kill npcs to take back the keep, which leads to a different type of AP boosting0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The map should reset at the beginning of every campaign that I can agree on.
One should not start with an advantage.
But whichever faction owned the keeps would still have the advantage unless all players were returned to their respective safe areas. If you were inside the keep at the changeover, you would essentially just have to kill npcs to take back the keep, which leads to a different type of AP boosting
Yes all should be returned to their home bases at reset if they are in game at that time.
It is supposed to be a new campaign cycle not a continuing one.
However, there is a downside even in this as it prevents the losing alliances from setting up at the end of the campaign as well.
Maybe we should all step back and just play this as a game.
Edited by TequilaFire on October 9, 2021 11:32PM1 -
temerley✭✭✭GoodFella146 wrote: »Just over a week in and it's already uncompetitive....
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I haven’t seen red dip to 1 bar anytime this week, I play anywhere between 12am to 10am est, sometimes looking around 8pm-10pm est. Red is insanely zerging.1 -
katanagirl1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GoodFella146 wrote: »Just over a week in and it's already uncompetitive....
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I’m sorry to say I left this as my home campaign and I’m paying the price for it.
Totally overwhelmed on GH but Blackreach is dominated by DC (my faction) so oftentimes there is nothing to do because they already have most of the keeps.
It will only get worse as the score gets further behind.
Maybe if you AD guys didn’t team up with red all the time it would also be more competitive. You have no scrolls but you are constantly pushing our home keeps instead of getting your scrolls.
Khajiit Stamblade main
Dark Elf Magsorc
Redguard Stamina Dragonknight
Orc Stamplar PVP
Breton Magsorc PVP
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Khajiit Stamina Arcanist
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GoodFella146✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »So dumb it down and take away choice of what alliance you play on, is that what you want?
It would suck to be assigned to an alliance when you queue, that would be the only way to balance alliances.
Or dumb it down even further and have only 2 alliances?
There is no solution if players all want to hop on the fattest alliance.
You could turn off campaign scoring at night to prevent out of region scoring by night capping but that is hardly fair either.
I guess our DC guild needs to come back from Blackreach. lol
Most left because Grayhost is a lagfest.
Cmon man this was literally explained in post #10 -
GoodFella146✭✭✭✭✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »As you have said,
@GoodFella146
It's a behavior issue. I don't know how ZOS can change the behavior of any of the players when they aren't violating TOS.
Should the leading faction have their scoring disabled if they are too far ahead?
How about the map resets at the start of every campaign. Each faction starts with their tri-keeps and Scrolls and the other keeps are populated with NPCs?
Better rewards for losing?
All of those ideas are exploitation fodder. I just don't see Zeni fixing what is essentially a player created problem.
All explained in post #10 -
temerley✭✭✭katanagirl1 wrote: »GoodFella146 wrote: »Just over a week in and it's already uncompetitive....
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I’m sorry to say I left this as my home campaign and I’m paying the price for it.
Totally overwhelmed on GH but Blackreach is dominated by DC (my faction) so oftentimes there is nothing to do because they already have most of the keeps.
It will only get worse as the score gets further behind.
Maybe if you AD guys didn’t team up with red all the time it would also be more competitive. You have no scrolls but you are constantly pushing our home keeps instead of getting your scrolls.
Lol, yeah AD got a hard-on on DC. Sometime this week, between 12-4am est, 2 bar red, no bar on both blue and yellow.
Map was red, all scrolls on red, and AD was on warden LMAO1 -
Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭Make it so that when ep zerg all night with 3 bars againts npcs, they don't get pvp score for it. Make the score so that which faction is the BEST at pvp gets more score instead of the faction who has a nitecap team.0
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AuraStorm43✭✭✭✭✭Make it so that when ep zerg all night with 3 bars againts npcs, they don't get pvp score for it. Make the score so that which faction is the BEST at pvp gets more score instead of the faction who has a nitecap team.
Thats honestly what frustrates me, you can’t win a campaign unless you have a night crewEdited by AuraStorm43 on October 10, 2021 12:09PM0