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How is StamDK doing on the PTS
Callosum
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This is considering StamDK's as damage dealers in PVE content.
StamDK has for a long time been at the bottom when it comes to DPS in PVE content. Based on your experiences on the PTS, will StamDK's change their position on the tier list and become more viable in PVE group content as damage dealers with the upcoming changes?
StamDK has for a long time been at the bottom when it comes to DPS in PVE content. Based on your experiences on the PTS, will StamDK's change their position on the tier list and become more viable in PVE group content as damage dealers with the upcoming changes?
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MECHA_STREISAND✭✭✭Yes and no, depending on how fussy your group is. The slight damage increase from having a working spammable skill is great but not likely to be sought after by any serious progression group, as they still offer no utility that a DK tank cannot provide.
It's a shame that nothing seems to have been addressed in this patch other than a slight damage buff from being able to use whip. I don't think stam DKs got anything they wanted tbh..
ETA: to be honest I don't get what the intention for hybridisation is, because it seems to still be the case that stam = PvP and mag = PvEEdited by MECHA_STREISAND on October 5, 2021 10:00AM1 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭MECHA_STREISAND wrote: »Yes and no, depending on how fussy your group is. The slight damage increase from having a working spammable skill is great but not likely to be sought after by any serious progression group, as they still offer no utility that a DK tank cannot provide.
It's a shame that nothing seems to have been addressed in this patch other than a slight damage buff from being able to use whip. I don't think stam DKs got anything they wanted tbh..
ETA: to be honest I don't get what the intention for hybridisation is, because it seems to still be the case that stam = PvP and mag = PvE
Yes a dk tank will offer a lot of what a stam dk can but this also means a dk tank can offload some of the burden on a stam dk. I do agree though stam dks still haven’t gotten anything we wanted exactly we got a pseudo whip however still costs magicka. If the Devs would just pull the trigger and make a stam morph of whip the discussion on stam whip would be entirely closed or do another rework on stone giant to be an actual melee skill and make it less clunky to utilize.2 -
Callosum✭✭✭Why isn't stagger scaling with stamina/weapon damage? Would make StamDK's viable despite their low damage output I guess?1
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CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think the problem with stamDK is that people don't play and therefore don't know what it can do.
I've done 117.5k single target on Vrol with 140k AoE this patch. I got DB on it. I've done a triplet burn with 168k dps. I parse 108k on the dummy this patch and 107k on PTS (122k with Moon Hunter but they fixed it).
I really think people don't know it at all. Stagger debuff doesn't scale with weapon damage but the skill, Stone Giant, does.
It also does a bit more damage than other spammables becayse of the stomp but the stomp is the main problems with the ability...0 -
MECHA_STREISAND✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »I think the problem with stamDK is that people don't play and therefore don't know what it can do.
Snip..
I really think people don't know it at all. Stagger debuff doesn't scale with weapon damage but the skill, Stone Giant, does.
I completely agree, stam DK is a really good heavy-hitter and I've only come across a few people who appreciate what they can do.
I tried out for an established prog group recently and out-damaged all but one of them with my stam DK, only to be asked to bring a magcro or magblade next time. And that's why I'm really disappointed by this patch after being promised DK would get some love - nothing has been done to address this.
It's always nice to be doing a bit more damage with the whip being buffed but imo it was the wrong skill to focus on. Stone giant would have made things a lot better for stam / hybrid DKs.1 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Please remove Stone Giant wonky-ness. Making a skill "Hard to cast" for a tank just meant that its harder for a DPS to bother to use it and a tank /shrug and use it anyway.0 -
Callosum✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »I think the problem with stamDK is that people don't play and therefore don't know what it can do.
I've done 117.5k single target on Vrol with 140k AoE this patch. I got DB on it. I've done a triplet burn with 168k dps. I parse 108k on the dummy this patch and 107k on PTS (122k with Moon Hunter but they fixed it).
I really think people don't know it at all. Stagger debuff doesn't scale with weapon damage but the skill, Stone Giant, does.
It also does a bit more damage than other spammables becayse of the stomp but the stomp is the main problems with the ability...
The problem is still that stagger doesn't scale and therefore the debuff can be provided effectively by DK tanks. Stagger debuff should scale so that bringing a stamDK would be a viable addition to the group.
impressive numbers by the way.2 -
ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭@Callosum
I think making stagger benefits based on a stat is a great idea. With hybridization, I feel like it is easier to build for, but I'd like to see that change, along with stonegiant being made poison damage to benefit from world in ruin.0 -
ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »I think the problem with stamDK is that people don't play and therefore don't know what it can do.
I've done 117.5k single target on Vrol with 140k AoE this patch. I got DB on it. I've done a triplet burn with 168k dps. I parse 108k on the dummy this patch and 107k on PTS (122k with Moon Hunter but they fixed it).
I really think people don't know it at all. Stagger debuff doesn't scale with weapon damage but the skill, Stone Giant, does.
It also does a bit more damage than other spammables becayse of the stomp but the stomp is the main problems with the ability...
I don't doubt that there are those that stay away from the sDK because of the play style and bad publicity, with the right skill level any class can hit 100k+. But that does not change that:
1. DK is only class without a universal damage buff, meaning that every other class does more damage with endless hail, soul trap, carve, stampede, light attacks, set procs, and etc.
2. DK is the only class without a passive or skill related to executes or % health remaining. And again both melee weapon spammables and executes are not impacted by any damage passives.
3. Dks stamina spammable is both not in its DPS line, and not impacted by DPS damage buffs. It is this reason that most other spammables out perform stonegiant, even if they originally have the same tooltip. For example surprise attack, crystal weapon, and stonegiant all have the same base tooltip, however when class passives are factored in, stonegiant does 1000 damage less then crystal weapon, and 2000 damage less then surprise attack on average.
I think if stonegiant caused poison damage, it would help a tad, but it would still underperform,particularly, because of cast timesEdited by ke.sardenb14_ESO on October 8, 2021 5:23AM3 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭well, it's a complicated question right now.
first off, i'm not good at StamDK, i my primary dps is a mag sorc, but my main character is a dk tank, and because of the armory i'm seriously considering some more dps time on him.
first off, powerlash is fantastic on stamdk. slot it like frags, wait for the proc and then go ham with it. you basically get 5 free spammables that hit really hard. like, REALLY hard. The difficult thing is you can't really predict it or work it into a rotation because it's only available when the target is off balance, and is it worth dropping a dot for some powerlash? i dunno, i'm not a dk dps.
however i thought there must be a way to run flash lash as a spammable, but it's just not sustainable on a stamdk. or is it?
The parse:
The build:
That's right, I'm a nord with max stam, mag regen food with an inferno staff front bar, 64 attributes into stam, what am i even doing?
I'm still playing around with things, but it's a weird thing, that's for sure.Edited by Tannus15 on October 8, 2021 7:02AM0 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So i changed to a charged 2h sword:
parse:
build:
What even is this?Edited by Tannus15 on October 8, 2021 7:10AM3 -
stefj68✭✭✭✭✭still hard for my stam bow build to sustain without adding 2-3 magicka skills in the rotation
same with pure melee dw
the 25% cost reduction on poison nerfed still bad
but for the rest wow! i like it
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BalticBlues✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StamDK becoming the most OP DD class, at least in PvP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_hB7sRl18M 0