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Need to Purge dungeons of Bots every 1 hour. not every 5 hours
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robert✭✭✭ZOS needs to push gold buyers into gold selling guilds. To do this, they need to eliminate the possibility of out-of-guild trades.
Do this for a couple of months, is my opinion.1 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭Even if they keep doing it every 5 hours, they will get rid of the bots eventually because the ones running the bots will start to lose money as you cannot make enough gold in 5 hours to cover the cost of the box. Once it stops being profitable the botting will stop.
What they really need to focus on is the pub dungeons in the first zones so the bot accoutns can't accumulate revenue.
They don't spend their own money on the game. They never have. They either use stolen accounts or stolen credit cards. Either way, they lose NOTHING when the accounts are banned.
Credit cards have spending limits. Hacked credit cards are limited resources. Why do you think the don't use the credit cards to simply order stuff or make money transactions? Because the revenue on purchasing an account for botting is higher.
Buying an account debits the card with 50€ but brings a gold farmer maybe 300€ if banned too slowly. If they ban the farmer faster than he makes 50€ they will stop purchasing new accounts.
PS I believe it's a myth that these botters/farmers always use stolen credit cards. I think most of v them purchase with the capital that they make.1 -
Squishy✭✭✭How are these people getting away with mass credit card fraud for all these accounts?
As far as I know, not all countries works the same way on this one, I'm assuming whichever country our evil botters are from, don't prosecute much, if at all.
Let's assume for now, that they have only 500 cards, from 500 people, in 500 banks, spread over 20 countries. That's only 25 offences per country, spread over several banks most likely, so nearly impossible to link to the other offences.
At this point, if the amounts remain reasonable on each cards, it'll be ignored, as the legal proceedings would take too long, and cost too much to the banks, for amounts they can largely absorb thru their insurances, or even completely ignore.
Just wait until someone sends anonymous tips to the FBI/CIA about those Goldfarmers financing terror cells thru stolen credit cards, that might solve the problem
. Or until anonymous or LULZ get one of their favorite toon thrown naked without their epics ^_^ "In 2014, a possible bot was sent to coldharbour by a military GM for a crime she didn't commit. This argonian promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Ebonheart underground. Today, still wanted by the developers she survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a bot problem, if no one else can bite you, and if you can find her....maybe you can hire The SQUISHY."0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭knaveofengland wrote: »well I haven't seen any bots over this weekend and went in all of them dungeons in stonefalls , so what you are asking is already happening every thing takes time. you are all used to having every thing instant these things take time,
It depends on your timing. I noticed, because I was checking specifically that in Daggerfall dungeons the bots were crawling back over time until you're back to being lucky to get loot. You only need 5 or 6 Templar bots and a few farmers to make bosses unlootable.
But overall it is a lot, lot better.
If people farming (I accept that ZMO have said it's okay to do) could exercise a little self denial when new people arrive at the encounter that would be nice.1 -
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No problem with friends not sending each other gold if it helped solve the problem but like you say, gold sellers will just 'buy' worms for 10k gold off their buyer, so it wouldn't on its own.
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ronins_ESO wrote: »Think zeni waiting for the 30 days trial to end for the bots before banning them :P . More $$$ for zeni less $$$ for botters :P (based on account subscription.)
What are you talking about? They already started doing mass sweeps and the op even said he wats it more often. As in they are doing it. Why would you post anything you just said?
Because thats how the system generally works.It will be more harmfull to take the money from the subcrsiption (after the trial period past )and ban them then.The ultima solution will be to not accept the credit card from previous ban account.will be more easy to minimize the botters but they will never do it because zeni lose- boters lose.the try to find a win win solution.
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Stormynature✭✭✭The other dynamic that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the purchase of gold by RMT's off players and then re-selling it with a profit margin incorporated. This has been an extensive practice in the past with other MMOs. However it is early days yet in ESO and the economy is still effectively goldsinking most with the initial buildups costs associated bag/bank slots, mounts, respecs etc.
The use of stolen credit cards are not just used for purchasing ESO games though, they are used to purchase a number of games across a number of different MMO's. I haven't heard a great deal of how the issue of the credit card is dealt with (once the account is banned) i.e. whether it flagged to the credit card company as a possibly stolen number, nor have I heard of Credit card companies notifying other MMOs that accounts purchased by the stolen card have been created. Seemingly this would be a potential means of not only taking the RMT out of ESO but also cramping their earnings from other MMO's as well, the reverse also being true by where a different MMO flagging the card as being associated with an RMT (and thus probably a stolen number) will effectively feedback onto ESO and connected accounts not previously identified by ZOS could be dealt with forthwith.
edit: I must admit I am surprised that no computer security company hasn't already taken up a service along these lines as another form of revenue i.e. consolidation of credit card numbers from across multiple MMO's and notifying the appropriate MMOs as breaches occur or get identified.
Edited by Stormynature on April 28, 2014 2:22PMA maxed out luggage draught horse should be allowed to carry a wayshrine1 -
how you know if a credit card is stolen one??because someone used it to buy a game and used hacks??Or what ZOS can do to someone who bought 10 ESO for making bots and used exploits??I believe the only think that it can do is to ban the accounts and flag the credit for not using it again. The laws in many countries are different.If ZOS flag a credit card as stolen and report it to the bank and it isn't then the owner will have every right to file a complaint...1
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Stormynature✭✭✭ronins_ESO wrote: »how you know if a credit card is stolen one??because someone used it to buy a game and used hacks??Or what ZOS can do to someone who bought 10 ESO for making bots and used exploits??I believe the only think that it can do is to ban the accounts and flag the credit for not using it again. The laws in many countries are different.If ZOS flag a credit card as stolen and report it to the bank and it isn't then the owner will have every right to file a complaint...
@ronins_ESO
Please note: I said "whether it flagged to the credit card company as a possibly stolen number"
as well "and thus probably a stolen number"Edited by Stormynature on April 28, 2014 2:51PMA maxed out luggage draught horse should be allowed to carry a wayshrine1 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Stormynature wrote: »The other dynamic that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the purchase of gold by RMT's off players and then re-selling it with a profit margin incorporated.
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felixgamingx1✭✭✭✭Even if they keep doing it every 5 hours, they will get rid of the bots eventually because the ones running the bots will start to lose money as you cannot make enough gold in 5 hours to cover the cost of the box. Once it stops being profitable the botting will stop.
What they really need to focus on is the pub dungeons in the first zones so the bot accoutns can't accumulate revenue.
They don't spend their own money on the game. They never have. They either use stolen accounts or stolen credit cards. Either way, they lose NOTHING when the accounts are banned.
You say that like there's an endless supply of both. If they can't make any money off of ESO, they will move their operations elsewhere because having bots running isn't free, either. It's not like there's some futuristic super computer with endless capacity running them or something. Every botting operation has a limit and if botting in ESO doesn't make enough profit, they will move to another game.
According to Morgan Freeman bots are necessary to the equilibrium of Tamriel0 -
Wow, makes you think, geeze if anyone ever stole my info and I found out about it I would spare no expense to track them down IRL, show up at their door and gut them like a fish, course thats just me >_>.0
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Actually, stolen credit cards cost money. You can't use a stolen credit card for long before either the owner of the card (sometimes) or the credit card company (most of the time) notices, and the card is cancelled. The criminals who do this have to constantly get new stolen credit cards, and that costs money. Sure, it doesn't cost them as much as if they were legitimately spending $60 of their own money on the game for each account, but it still costs money, and they still lose money with each account that is banned.They don't spend their own money on the game. They never have. They either use stolen accounts or stolen credit cards. Either way, they lose NOTHING when the accounts are banned.
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FezzikVizzini✭✭✭This "teleporting" is almost certainly a tool called a "multi-hack". Now before we start screaming about "another flaw in the ZMO design" this kind of abuse was VERY prevalent in major titles like GW2 and others. Somehow the tool sends packets to the servers saying that their character isn't actually here... they are here with the rest of the party or something. I don't know how they work I just know what they can do. Eventually ZMO will put in auto checks to detect teleporting to and from areas where it shouldn't be possible.
Or it could be the "teleport to party member" thing... I have never used that so I don't know how it works.
There is no need to change packets sent to the server as all position calculations are done on the client (yeah great job ZOS). A simple hex editing piece of software is all that is needed. Just change the piece of memory that holds your co-ordinates and wham - insta teleport. In the same way can get unlimited dodging, ultimate, horse stamina......
Yeah, I got a PC. I just don't feel the need to post it's specifications for an ego boost.0 -
Kenny_McCormick✭✭✭alot of comments and alot of input! TY! but still no answer from ZMO Forum GMs lol. my point is i want to atleast CONFIRM that ZMO is doing this! thus put everybodies fear that ZMO isnt doing squat...well to rest. i kinda wished that the Forum GMs would post about the new way they are banning bots and make it open so we can put in our suggestions. thus the player base can have some input and maybe help put ZMO on the right track! especially with us MMO vets that know some things on how MMOs work and have good ideas on how to make it better!....thats just kind of my idea and my hope lol.0