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EU megaserver in EU - When?This ping is unplayable for alot of peoples.We need actual answer.
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1.5-3sec delays is ruining PvP and PvE for me and alot of my buddys from eastern europe.
I and alot of european people would like to know WHEN Zenimax&co gonna move your servers to europe.You told us "soon after game release",so how soon?Because if you dont planning to do that,we dont planning to continue subscription.
Answer please.
I and alot of european people would like to know WHEN Zenimax&co gonna move your servers to europe.You told us "soon after game release",so how soon?Because if you dont planning to do that,we dont planning to continue subscription.
Answer please.
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Well I doubt they will answer you here. At least not just because you are trying some kind of a threat
P.s. I am also on the same boat and in general to me it looks like europeans are second class citizens on many fields in TESO but I don't think anyone will get answers to their concerns here, especially after "answer or I will cancel sub".0 -
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Why do you assume it is relevant to the ping? A lot of the latency issue appear to be server related not connection related.1.5-3sec delays is ruining PvP and PvE for me and alot of my buddys from eastern europe.
I and alot of european people would like to know WHEN Zenimax&co gonna move your servers to europe.You told us "soon after game release",so how soon?Because if you dont planning to do that,we dont planning to continue subscription.
Answer please.
What is your actual ping/ traceroute to the game server?
From France mine is normally between 150-200ms which will not cause that sort of delay, given that the game will be 'hiding' latency via net code etc.
Try running a traceroute to the game server (find which TCP port is being used by eso.exe or live-eu-services.elderscrollsonline.com
I look forward to the move to the EU data centre but it isn't gojng to make this type of lag go away.1 -
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It cant do anything but help. Right now our problems are being magnified by these latency issues. I can anywhere from 160ms (during non primetime) to 600ms during prime time, which is just outrageous. Laws of physics apply to this game and zenimax. Longer distance to datacenter = more latency.
Why do you assume it is relevant to the ping? A lot of the latency issue appear to be server related not connection related.1.5-3sec delays is ruining PvP and PvE for me and alot of my buddys from eastern europe.
I and alot of european people would like to know WHEN Zenimax&co gonna move your servers to europe.You told us "soon after game release",so how soon?Because if you dont planning to do that,we dont planning to continue subscription.
Answer please.
What is your actual ping/ traceroute to the game server?
From France mine is normally between 150-200ms which will not cause that sort of delay, given that the game will be 'hiding' latency via net code etc.
Try running a traceroute to the game server (find which TCP port is being used by eso.exe or live-eu-services.elderscrollsonline.com
I look forward to the move to the EU data centre but it isn't gojng to make this type of lag go away.
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The datacenters which the servers are run off of are located in Texas, USA. This causes people to have a wide range of latency issues, because we have to deal with half of the internet load in the US, AND Europe, not to mention we have to go through underwater lines that cross through an entire ocean.
Ignoring the problem, or making ridiculous statements like "latency is not a problem" only makes the companies think its ok to ignore a population of 735 + million. People in the US are USING this to their advantage right now in PVP. They KNOW that we have lag in the EU right now, and they KNOW that the servers are located state side, so there are some that are going onto the EU servers and griefing away.
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The datacenters which the servers are run off of are located in Texas, USA. This causes people to have a wide range of latency issues, because we have to deal with half of the internet load in the US, AND Europe, not to mention we have to go through underwater through an entire ocean.
Ignoring the problem, or making ridiculous accusations like "latency is not a problem" only makes the companies think its ok to ignore a population of 735 + million.
What i am saying that my distance to the server did not magically increase when i entered a dungeon and shrink when i exited it.
Therefore my lag inside a dungeon and the lack of it outside of a dungeon had nothing to do with my distance to the server.0 -
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Your latency will never be better than 150 with the servers being in the US. With my 100 MB/s fiber optic connection I hit near 600 ms lag during heavy server load times because of this nonsense.
The datacenters which the servers are run off of are located in Texas, USA. This causes people to have a wide range of latency issues, because we have to deal with half of the internet load in the US, AND Europe, not to mention we have to go through underwater through an entire ocean.
Ignoring the problem, or making ridiculous accusations like "latency is not a problem" only makes the companies think its ok to ignore a population of 735 + million.
What i am saying that my distance to the server did not magically increase when i entered a dungeon and shrink when i exited it.
Therefore my lag inside a dungeon and the lack of it outside of a dungeon had nothing to do with my distance to the server.
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This isn't funny when you live in the former Soviet Bloc.Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Probably sometime after Russia finishes conquering europe.
As I've determined, most of my lag seems to be a server issue, so moving them to Europe likely won't improve the situation. Either way, I'd like to hear an official word on this matter because it is mind-boggling that they call a server 'European' when it's actually located half a world away and nobody knows when it will move to Europe, if at all.0 -
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Your latency will never be better than 150 with the servers being in the US. With my 100 MB/s fiber optic connection I hit near 600 ms lag during heavy server load times because of this nonsense.
The datacenters which the servers are run off of are located in Texas, USA. This causes people to have a wide range of latency issues, because we have to deal with half of the internet load in the US, AND Europe, not to mention we have to go through underwater through an entire ocean.
Ignoring the problem, or making ridiculous accusations like "latency is not a problem" only makes the companies think its ok to ignore a population of 735 + million.
What i am saying that my distance to the server did not magically increase when i entered a dungeon and shrink when i exited it.
Therefore my lag inside a dungeon and the lack of it outside of a dungeon had nothing to do with my distance to the server.
Nonetheless, there are issues with the server that appear as lag that have nothing to do with where the server is located. Many people think that what they see in-game is caused by the fact EU server is not in europe, when in fact many of those issues have nothing to do with server location, and will continue even after server move if not fixed.
That's my(and Moonraker's) whole point.0 -
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Agreed, it is completely inappropriate and the comment is completely uncalled for.
This isn't funny when you live in the former Soviet Bloc.Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Probably sometime after Russia finishes conquering europe.
As I've determined, most of my lag seems to be a server issue, so moving them to Europe likely won't improve the situation. Either way, I'd like to hear an official word on this matter because it is mind-boggling that they call a server 'European' when it's actually located half a world away and nobody knows when it will move to Europe, if at all.
On topic, of COURSE it will improve the situation, you will have a max of 40 ms lag instead of a max of 600 ms lag. It wont be the silver bullet to all the problems, but it will increase playability of this game literally 10 fold.
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭I think that dude Matt Firor lied about how soon it will be, he lied about a lot of things... don`t expect them to do it any time soon after all while the EU pays more its just a stupid milk cow. So they will milk us for as long as they can while comforting us but i doubt they will take any action.
Talk is cheap... free actually... and if it gets more players to stay good if not they did not lose any money on it anyway.0 -
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For him to lie about how soon it will be, he would have to first say how soon it will be, which to my knowledge, he did not.
All we got so far is a statement that the server will be moved to EU eventually, without any specifics.
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the thing is, they would have actually LOST money because the EU datacenters are already built. They simply are not running the servers on them ATM. They will have thrown away money if they don't move the servers.alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »I think that dude Matt Firor lied about how soon it will be, he lied about a lot of things... don`t expect them to do it any time soon after all while the EU pays more its just a stupid milk cow. So they will milk us for as long as they can while comforting us but i doubt they will take any action.
Talk is cheap... free actually... and if it gets more players to stay good if not they did not lose any money on it anyway.
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭He did say how soon, as soon as the servers are stable after launch.... they have been stable for weeks now...
They mislead people on a lot of things tbh this is why most are raging on the forums now, they were careful not to outright lie in most cases, they just gave another impression.
This is why launch day reviews are giving it a 8-10 and then later reviews drop to 6-8... but whatever their game their PR team.
Maybe they lost so many subs they are rethinking the server move as its cheaper to just keep it in the US. At this point i would not be surprised.0 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭This is highly likely, so they can consolidate rapidly.alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »Maybe they lost so many subs they are rethinking the server move as its cheaper to just keep it in the US. At this point i would not be surprised.
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What has heavy server load got to do with the latency of your network connection to the megaserver?Your latency will never be better than 150 with the servers being in the US. With my 100 MB/s fiber optic connection I hit near 600 ms lag during heavy server load times because of this nonsense.
Just where is the traceroute rising to 600ms?
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It may well improve the situation in terms of latency but it does not mean the in-game lag will be any better. Just because you can get, say, 40ms latency to the game server doesn't mean that it will be communicating at this rate. In fact due to the way that TCP works and also deliberate 'latency hiding' in game, within the range of say 40-200ms the difference would be really negligible in an MMO.On topic, of COURSE it will improve the situation, you will have a max of 40 ms lag instead of a max of 600 ms lag. It wont be the silver bullet to all the problems, but it will increase playability of this game literally 10 fold.
No idea where you get an notion that it will improve the game 10 fold but I would be interested to hear it.
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Moving to the EU data centre will not suddenly cure this issue. Read the forum and see that this issue is just as prevalent on the North America megaserver and that's for players within the USA.The delay in cyrodiil makes it unplayable for me. I hope we get eu servers fast.
That's the point. Over time when server-side lag and any causes of latency at the server end are work out, then lower latency may make some more difference. But until then, as the above shows, location will not make the big difference.
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Simple. what is 600 divided by 40? More than 10 actually. In a game where real time action is required in pvp the difference between 600 and 40 ms lag is quite significant. If this were SWTOR or WoW it wouldn't be a big deal, but its not.
It may well improve the situation in terms of latency but it does not mean the in-game lag will be any better. Just because you can get, say, 40ms latency to the game server doesn't mean that it will be communicating at this rate. In fact due to the way that TCP works and also deliberate 'latency hiding' in game, within the range of say 40-200ms the difference would be really negligible in an MMO.On topic, of COURSE it will improve the situation, you will have a max of 40 ms lag instead of a max of 600 ms lag. It wont be the silver bullet to all the problems, but it will increase playability of this game literally 10 fold.
No idea where you get an notion that it will improve the game 10 fold but I would be interested to hear it.
Again, another person that thinks zenimax can overcome the laws of physics. The difference between working off the US datacenters located in Texas and working off the datacenters in Frankfurt is huge. No matter what you say.
Moving to the EU data centre will not suddenly cure this issue. Read the forum and see that this issue is just as prevalent on the North America megaserver and that's for players within the USA.The delay in cyrodiil makes it unplayable for me. I hope we get eu servers fast.
That's the point. Over time when server-side lag and any causes of latency at the server end are work out, then lower latency may make some more difference. But until then, as the above shows, location will not make the big difference.
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