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Oakforce
Soul Shriven
I dont want be a troll but the devs cant see that allowing this bots in the starting zones are pulling away all the effort they put on the game.
I like the game and im not taking in acount the damage that bots and gold sellers can do to the economy, Im talking about the "first impression" you get from a game.
Imho a GM should ban account "on the fly" when they see things like multiboxing.
I made 2 vids so you know what im talking about
This one is a multiboxing
http://youtu.be/W_Biz9q84tI
And this one is before I recorded the multiboxing one where we can see 3 bots .
http://youtu.be/0nOABaXx5Zw
Sorry for my english its not my native language.
Edited by ZOS_LenaicR on April 28, 2014 7:10PM I like the game and im not taking in acount the damage that bots and gold sellers can do to the economy, Im talking about the "first impression" you get from a game.
Imho a GM should ban account "on the fly" when they see things like multiboxing.
I made 2 vids so you know what im talking about
This one is a multiboxing
http://youtu.be/W_Biz9q84tIAnd this one is before I recorded the multiboxing one where we can see 3 bots .
http://youtu.be/0nOABaXx5ZwSorry for my english its not my native language.
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GossiTheDog✭✭✭✭✭Search bots on forum. It's been discussed here a lot. They could go and ban the bots in your vid and 30 more would run in 5 mins later (there's a few vids of that on YouTube, it's pretty funny).
I ignore them.1 -
LifeniteSoul ShrivenSo here is the deal. I will go strait for an old example here. WoW is the most well funded, largest player base, most man hour intensive MMO ever made and has been doing a good job (arguably the best job if you consider their success period), and yet, they still have thousands upon thousands of bots to deal with all the time. i have seen over 100 at a time in WoW all operating in a giant loop between a vendor and 25m raid dungeon just farming it 24/7 for weeks strait.
I have seen no where near that actual concentration here in ESO. The fact that they got them out of the dungeons here was a start but it can only be a start to what is an endless race. But they are doing something about it, it just can't have its goal coalesce overnight.
When a new account is created there is 0 ways of knowing its going to become a bot account. Time is the universal currency and it they have to spend some time to clean it up.
But think of bots like rats. The big city is never with out rats no matter how hard you attempt to rid them all you'll never win. You can just keep killing the ones you see while the ones you don't keep making more rats.
There is no MMO in existence free of bots.Edited by Lifenite on April 28, 2014 4:59PM4 -
OakforceSoul Shriven
There is no MMO in existence free of bots.
I played WoW since his release before molten core and I saw many things in years playing it.
I run my own business, I know that bots will exist, what im saying is that a new product like this game cant permit that a new player play and in 5h ask in general why is ppl teleporting around.
These things kill your product marketing. The normal player dont cares if a bot is farming a private instance at lvl 50, but if you bougth a game and in the fist 2 days in the newbie zones you see this, you have a very bad impression of the game.
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Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭They know this an they have said its thier top priority. What more do you want? They are working on it. It's not a problem that is fixed quickly. It's already hugely improved vs 2 weeks ago and likely will continue to improve"The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba1 -
Evergnar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfortunately it won't go away until they do account wide bans. Character bans won't solve the problem. It has improved though so that's a plus. Still see quite a few though and it's a total turn off.1 -
Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭How do you know they are only banning characters and not thier accounts."The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba2
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How do you know they are only banning characters and not thier accounts.
Curious also. Why would they only ban the character? That makes no sense.
On Class Balance
The real dilemma is that; Powdered doughnuts are overpowdered, the chocolate doughnuts are too chocolaty, and the coconut crunch doughnuts have more coconut than all other doughnuts. This is OUTRAGEOUSLY unfair to other doughnuts!
So from now on, all you special snowflakes get is nasty plain doughnuts...enjoy!1 -
Ravinsild✭✭✭✭The real question is this: What is the point of botters?
Why buy a game if you aren't going to be the one playing and enjoying it?1 -
Money.
It was interesting the other night in a public dungeon there were a bunch of botter standing around at the boss, as usual, and several of us trying to get a hit in just to finish the dungeon credit.
Several people asked if the botters could let them get a hit in, which I thought was funny until one of them actually answered. That was a first for me!
He or she was very nice and explained that this is their way to make money and that they aren't doing anything wrong (their opinion, NOT mine) so of course people said they are wrecking the game, etc. He replied that he makes way more money doing this than anything else he could be doing where he lived and was sorry that people were upset with him.
While I don't agree at all with his outlook, it was very interesting listening to it. He was also nice enough to back off and let people get hits in.
Sadly people called over and over for a GM to come in and get rid of the 8-10 botters, but nothing happened in the 15-20 min I was there.4 -
ZOS_LenaicR✭✭✭✭Hi there,
We've removed the name calling as it was circumventing our rules: Naming-and-Shaming.
While we understand that your intentions are to improve the game, please make sure to report bots directly InGame. We're taking this problem really seriously and our teams are working hard to solve it. Be assured that all your tickets are addressed.
Many thanks for your report regarding these bots, we really appreciate your time!5 -
Tarwin✭✭✭ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »Hi there,
We've removed the name calling as it was circumventing our rules: Naming-and-Shaming.
While we understand that your intentions are to improve the game, please make sure to report bots directly InGame. We're taking this problem really seriously and our teams are working hard to solve it. Be assured that all your tickets are addressed.
Many thanks for your report regarding these bots, we really appreciate your time!
Do you think you could implement a quicker way to report bots? The fumbling around through the current interface has taken the novelty out of reporting4 -
GossiTheDog✭✭✭✭✭The real question is this: What is the point of botters?
Why buy a game if you aren't going to be the one playing and enjoying it?
You 'card' the account (credit card fraud, you can buy card numbers and account details in bulk for $4 each) so you don't pay for the game, then gather all the gold you can through farming, then transfer the gold to mule accounts, then transfer it on further. Then sell it. People pay real world money for gold, hence all the gold spamming in game. Serious money is made from this - it's literally an industry in China, for example, with gold farmers who actually sit all down and farm from computers (or write programs to do).
As for the account bans, it's a mix. Some people are getting automated account bans, some are getting character locks. Character locks have come up multiple times here as players have gone AFK (away from keyboard) in dungeons, GMs (Game Masters - Zenimax employees) have teleported in and locked all the bots (including, unfortunately, real players - they just appear, tell everybody to leave, and then ban those who don't). Two things here - you don't have to give GM bot killers full account access, and you don't loose the subscription fee, valid or not.0 -
Catches_the_Sun✭✭✭✭✭If you want to know their true stance on it, I think the most telling example would be the lady who got banned for mailing her husband $50k for a horse. While her method of making money was legit at the time, it has since been nerfed. The large sum of money mailed was a red flag (as it is thought she was a gold seller), and she was subsequently banned on the spot.
What has been lost in this story, though, is that the husband was not banned, warned, or even spoken to. That is very telling. It says that Zenimax has no desire or interest in banning the gold buyer, which those same flags would have labeled him as. It is generally thought that the gold buyer is a legitimate paying customer, and MMO developers rarely take action against them. Until you address the buyers, the sellers will always win.Catches-the-Sun - Argonian Templar - Master Smith, Provisioner, Chemist & Tailor
Valaren Arobone - Dunmer Flamewalker - Master Woodworker, Provisioner, Assassin
Kazahad - Khajiiti Arcane Archer - Master Thief
V'orkten - Redguard Swordmaster
Finnvardr the Frenzied - Werewolf Berzerker4 -
Game is so easy to bot.
Actually you don`t even need a bot for most of things.
All you need is any program that can click a button every few sec and put your toon in front of a boss or a node....
My question is: who`s buying all that gold and for what??
40k for a horse you can make it in about 6 hrs of farming/grinding/leveling.
And after that ....?2 -
Tarwin✭✭✭ct12yyyeb17_ESO wrote: »Game is so easy to bot.
Actually you don`t even need a bot for most of things.
All you need is any program that can click a button every few sec and put your toon in front of a boss or a node....
My question is: who`s buying all that gold and for what??
40k for a horse you can make it in about 6 hrs of farming/grinding/leveling.
And after that ....?
Great question. No matter what items you buy on the GAH, you out grow it quickly, so even if it was all about horses (and probably 60% of players have Imp Edition), I just can't see a market for selling gold
Edited by Tarwin on April 28, 2014 7:53PM0 -
OakforceSoul Shriven
Sorry for being an "ignorant" o "great smart one", but:
1) In the EULA point 4/C
Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
If you take the time to see the video its impossible to make that multiboxing/botting/"or whatever you want call it" coordination without a third-party software.
2) Wiki quote: Multiboxing is a term used mostly in MMORPGs to refer to playing as multiple separate characters simultaneously. This can either be achieved by using multiple separate machines to run the game or by running multiple separate instances of the game.
Variations on the term are common. Often, the number of accounts used is reflected in the term used: dual-boxing or two-boxing for two characters, three-boxing for three etc.
So please "great one" pardon me, a mere ignorant mortal but I think Im right.
Anyway thx for reading my post3 -
AlliN✭✭✭There was gaming, a world 20 years ago filled with enthusiasts and dreamers, that cheerished fun and fairness. Wrongs like cheats and exploits were looked down upon, and the community itself stood on guard against wrongdoers.
Then, people happened.3 -
epoling✭✭✭✭Personally don't even know that buying a horse is even worth it except for bag space. I find myself getting off the horse too often to harvest, talk to an NPC or fight something to make my horse worth it.0 -
GossiTheDog✭✭✭✭✭Another video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Sao2LO55g&feature=youtu.be
They're killing mobs for items and gold.2 -
Tarwin✭✭✭
And once you feed it alot (another money sink) you will appreciate just getting from one end of town to the other as well
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ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭GossiTheDog wrote: »The real question is this: What is the point of botters?
Why buy a game if you aren't going to be the one playing and enjoying it?
As for the account bans, it's a mix. Some people are getting automated account bans, some are getting character locks. Character locks have come up multiple times here as players have gone AFK (away from keyboard) in dungeons, GMs (Game Masters - Zenimax employees) have teleported in and locked all the bots (including, unfortunately, real players - they just appear, tell everybody to leave, and then ban those who don't). Two things here - you don't have to give GM bot killers full account access, and you don't loose the subscription fee, valid or not.
Why would a real player go AFK right at the boss spawn between all the bots? And the GMs might be waiting for the respawn anyway to see who is auto attacking him. The area directly around the boss is usually not filled with mobs, so there is enough space you can go AFK.
I can't imagine that a lot of legit players got banned like this by accident.0 -
Personally I think Multiboxing creates an unfair advantage over regular players, basically being a buy to win situation since they buy multiple accounts. And since most MMO's have somewhere in their TOS something that says you are not allowed to mod or adapt your client in order to create an unfair advantage, multiboxing falls into that category.
But in real life, there are actual players controlling two or more accounts simultaneously using the same controls & user interface as a single account player. Which is why its allowed, since more accounts for multiboxing = more money for the MMO.
This is different from botting or botting multiboxers which are completely computer controlled and require no user controller interface, and definitely against TOS.
As for the multiboxers in the vid, it really looked like a bot multiboxer at first, but one toon did seem to open a map screen in the first vid, and a botter program wouldn't need to do that.Edited by deheartb14_ESO on April 28, 2014 11:14PMThis is my Signature, but not really because I didn't sign it with a pen and its not my name.1 -
Kenny_McCormick✭✭✭
Sorry for being an "ignorant" o "great smart one", but:
1) In the EULA point 4/C
Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
If you take the time to see the video its impossible to make that multiboxing/botting/"or whatever you want call it" coordination without a third-party software.
2) Wiki quote: Multiboxing is a term used mostly in MMORPGs to refer to playing as multiple separate characters simultaneously. This can either be achieved by using multiple separate machines to run the game or by running multiple separate instances of the game.
Variations on the term are common. Often, the number of accounts used is reflected in the term used: dual-boxing or two-boxing for two characters, three-boxing for three etc.
So please "great one" pardon me, a mere ignorant mortal but I think Im right.
Anyway thx for reading my post
still ignorant! Botting is where nobody is at the keyboard THUS its illigal
Multi-Boxing is where a player is at the keyboard controlling two accounts at the same time Thus it is legal and NOT against the EULA
only time its against the EULA is if its software controlled...if there is a player controlling all the toons and is actually pressing keys then it is legal and does not go against it...please do a little more research BEFORE you quote the EULA. WoW it says the same thing in the EULA. HOWEVER it has been asked multiple times in the forums and they have said what i have said.
THUS multiboxing = OK Botting = NOT OK
Edited by Kenny_McCormick on April 28, 2014 11:21PM1 -
novek000b16_ESOSoul ShrivenKenny_McCormick wrote: »
still ignorant! Botting is where nobody is at the keyboard THUS its illigal
Multi-Boxing is where a player is at the keyboard controlling two accounts at the same time Thus it is legal and NOT against the EULA
only time its against the EULA is if its software controlled...if there is a player controlling all the toons and is actually pressing keys then it is legal and does not go against it...please do a little more research BEFORE you quote the EULA. WoW it says the same thing in the EULA. HOWEVER it has been asked multiple times in the forums and they have said what i have said.
THUS multiboxing = OK Botting = NOT OK
ignorant = Lacking education or knowledge.
You clearly lack both but thanks God, because he invented WoW, that way someone like you can see the truth!
Only an Ignorant would think that "characters" are played "pressing keys", even if an octopus with 3 brains is "playing", only a ignorant would think that is not a problem for any game with honest players.
Please do some research before quote WoW as source of knowledge next time, because you may find reported and "b" banned if you play "pressing keys", at least for me I keep some faith and still reporting losers and exploiters on sight, (crossing fingers for a lucky GM shot).1 -
Multi-boxing is a strange beast... while you actively control the main character, you are, on the other hand, controlling the second / third / and so characters without actualy playing them... so is it against the rules ? Well, that's for Zeni to say, not us.
I know for a fact that it's allowed in WoW, but then... that's WoW and not ESO...The statement "if you put enough monkeys behind enough typewriters... sooner or later one will produce the works of Shakespeare" has sadly been proven utterly wrong by the internet...0 -
The simple answer here is that ESO is getting paid for every account so yeah they are really ok with this cause their kids gotta eat bro.0
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AlliN✭✭✭Did someone just said, that multiboxing is the same player using, let's say, 4 keyboards and 4 mouses at once, to control team of 4 is more probable than the same person using 3rd party software to control 3 miltibox characters?
Seriously, I have no words.Multi-Boxing is where a player is at the keyboard controlling two accounts at the same time Thus it is legal and NOT against the EULA
Tell me you can click in two windows at the same time without any software that duplicates mouse movement, come one, I dare you.Edited by AlliN on April 29, 2014 1:48AM1 -
WitchAngel✭✭✭@ZOS_LenaicRZOS_LenaicR wrote: »Hi there,
We've removed the name calling as it was circumventing our rules: Naming-and-Shaming.
While we understand that your intentions are to improve the game, please make sure to report bots directly InGame. We're taking this problem really seriously and our teams are working hard to solve it. Be assured that all your tickets are addressed.
Many thanks for your report regarding these bots, we really appreciate your time!
I strongly suggest you make a dropdown item in the "report player" window, called "suspected bot" or similar. Having to type stuff each time when you are going to report a solid block of bots, is kind of discouraging.
TLDR; If you want our help, make it easier for us to help you.0
