But what do you actually want done with the zones?

If you just wan't them made prettier to me at least that is a waste of resources.

There are still people doing the zones for the first time as well so no matter how many years its been since any of us finished one story line others are still doing it or re-doing it.

As for the big open spaces, those tend to get used later on for adding new dungeons/houses or stuff to tie the base game zones to a feature of the newest chapter, like the Psijic quest lines portals, the excavation sites for leads, various collectible stuff like that clockwork target dummy as examples.


If they do something I would prefer its dead last after the map is filled with playable zones, even then I would rather a second version of the base game zones be released with new content, a new story that is a separate instance to the original, allowing players to access both.

I prefer every single base game zone over every single Chapter/dlc zone so the only changes I'd be okay with in the base zones are simple graphics improvements to bring them up to date a bit perhaps.

Having a PvE instance in addition to the current PvP instances would be nice but only if the area was given the full Oblivion nostalgic treatment that the Gold Coast (Anvil) was given, bringing Bravil, Chorrol, etc fully to life. Unlikely.

bmnoble wrote: »

But what do you actually want done with the zones?

If you just wan't them made prettier to me at least that is a waste of resources.

There are still people doing the zones for the first time as well so no matter how many years its been since any of us finished one story line others are still doing it or re-doing it.

As for the big open spaces, those tend to get used later on for adding new dungeons/houses or stuff to tie the base game zones to a feature of the newest chapter, like the Psijic quest lines portals, the excavation sites for leads, various collectible stuff like that clockwork target dummy as examples.


If they do something I would prefer its dead last after the map is filled with playable zones, even then I would rather a second version of the base game zones be released with new content, a new story that is a separate instance to the original, allowing players to access both.

To remade it from ground or having a massive overhaul that contains more additional quests and dungeons, remade some cities just to bring them to the current feeling of ESO, that doesn't mean wipe out all the Planemeld theme at all.

The NPCs there looks awful in the outfit sense, it just feel to me it's part of another game, and Highrock, it just feels nothing like Highrock, they didn't do justice to that province if that make any sense to you.

So I'm not asking to remove any of the quest-lines or anything, just make them prettier and make those locations interesting to the new players and old players alike.

I'm sorry I'm trying my best to make it clear, I hope I did.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The devs have said they will not start reworking zones until the current map is filled.
I think that's a mistake, but that's how it is.

Oh really? That's good to hear! At least they got a plan to what to do after filling the map.
Wish to see ESO go to other continents, Pyndonea, Aldmeries! Or even Oblivion realms. But I can't see them do any of that.

Please provide me with the source if you have it.

Daggerfall, Wayrest and Mournhold all need serious renovations, they all resemble generic towns of no significance.

I don't like the idea of deleting the existing content, even for rework. Especially when there are still so many opportunities for adding new zones (blank spaces on the map). I want new stories and quests, but we don't have to lose the old ones for that.

I agree High Rock needs to be redone, and base-game missed the mark. Bangkorai is overly crowded, it doesn't feel like The Reach at all, though it really should. Ephesus has absolutely no personality or story, and nothing to justify its existence. I think many people loved Rivenspire, and that's because its the one region in all of High Rock that had any personality. Daggerfall and Wayrest are identical, despite being built at different times by different people. As is Evermore, which is said to have been "built from granite cut from nearby Markarth". Well, given how identical they all are, its surprising there is any stone left in Markarth!

I personally quite like Stonefalls - it felt really evocative and captured the alien, volcanic Morrowind vibe. The Indoril architecture of the cities look dramatic and awesome, but as people have pointed out, it doesn't make sense that cities and places run by very different Houses all have the same architecture. A redo of the base-game could add a bit of variety here. The base-game Skyrim zones could also definitely use a redo. I like the style of the original architecture, its charming and full of nordic character. But cold, stone, merethic-era Eastmarch should definitely not look like quaint, rustic modern nordic.

And I don't think may people would argue that the whole Valenwood biome couldn't benefit massively from a redo. Other than more authentic aesthetics, these zones in particular are rife with railroad world-building where you're forced to follow a "path" to get from point A to B, with random mountain ridges everywhere serving only to frustrate your desire to explore. Its funny to read how khajiiti raiders and traders alike would travel from Dune, across Dawnmead to Arenthia and realise they must have had to have traversed the entire map to reach a location that was but a hop away.

The dated aesthetic and difference between launch zones and anything released literally 5 minutes after launch is drastic. Craglorn doesn't seem out of place amongst the newer zones, and Orsinium, Imperial City, Gold Coast, Hew's all look just as amazing as the newest stuff. Its really the gulf in quality between pre- and post- launch stuff that drives this need.

I really hope they do a more modern parse one day. When asked, developers have said that the team would really love to do them, given how far they come, but that the biggest barrier is limited time. Currently, if they remake a base-game zone, they aren't making new content. And people really do want new content.

Keep showing your interest, and hopefully they will find a way in the future to make it happen.

They could do group based content around old zones or add cool puzzles or jumping puzzles, fishing contests, mount racing for players to earn neat rewards from. They could add more quests. Large world bosses that would spawn across a zone and take it completely over with minions and so forth and have players fight it.

Or they could do something for guilds/factions to compete over zones for resources or bases.

They can add something that focus more on player created stories and conflicts like guild conflicts or something.

I think that Rich Lambert actually answered this in one of his Twitch streams.

As I recall, the answer was this (paraphrased): Yes, they can go back and redo the base game zones. Anything is possible. However, the team is limited in size and working on this negates working on other things. They are working on other things.

I could be wrong, though. He responds to a lot of "why doesn't ZOS do this" questions along those same lines. I guess players have a lot of good ideas that ZOS could do, but ZOS doesn't have the people or time to do them.

We don't need any major rework for base game zones (maybe only some work with some textures) - it's good as it is. What we will need eventually is another approach for same places. I can see it as new era for ESO, where they will start new timeline and start filling new version of Tamriel map (maybe with another scale, now zones takes too big parts of map). It's much better than making ESO 2 only because they used whole map.

And I hope that they will give up with idea of filling whole map, because some areas are just not interesting enough or too repeatable - how many years of Skyrim or Black Marsh content we will have until we will get more Bretons, Bosmer or other already fullfilled provinces?

If we talking about Cyrodiil, personally I don't see any problem with just taking actual PvP zone out of main map (it can be added as additional icon) and fill all these places as next chapters (imagine chapter with rebuilding Imperial City theme!)