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Proc are becoming a problem
Togal
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This patch first felt amazing, but it only took a little while for everyone to farm these new proc sets, now everyone is using them, and it's just not enjoyable fam. Could we get a no proc cp campaign or could you make some changes to the proc sets, dark convergence pull is way too strong and you are constantly being pulled nonstop, Hrothgar hits for like 6-30k (yes 30k it happened to me before). At least allow cc immune potions work on not getting pulled and don't people with Hrothgar to hit you with it once you already got hit by one proc for 7 seconds (and possibly reduce the damage too). zos please we have been asking for fewer procs since the dawn of time, but more and more of them are added. Sorry for the rant but some of us are getting real tired of this man. Have a nice day and stay safe.
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Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭30k Hrothgar.... So it hits for 54k assuming no resistances,which means the target had a combined total of... 207k resistances?!? There had to be more than one instance of that damage as there is no way that's possible.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭30k Hrothgar.... So it hits for 54k assuming no resistances,which means the target had a combined total of... 207k resistances?!? There had to be more than one instance of that damage as there is no way that's possible.
I've read someone's thoughts that the set in certain situations may be adding up resistances from more than one target (which if true would be not as intended but would explain the occasional very high damage tick).5 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Some games I play scale damage when too many sources breach a threshold. I am making up an example now that is not realistic to describe it. If a person gets hit with 20 5k hits the game will reduce the hits more and more each time. 5k, 2.5k, 1.25k, etc. Fighting games do that too in combos. eg Sreet fighter, mortal kombat, well every single one of them do it.2 -
FluffWit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭After making us redo our builds for months because they were "fixing proc sets being a problem in Cyrodiil" they bought out 3 new op proc sets for Cyrodiil.
This is just farcical.19 -
angrydrew✭✭✭[snip] Separate cyro and imperial servers for non procs are a good idea but banning a part of the game is .....you should be complain about something constructive live ball groups or capping the amount of people on a server so server can handle load..
[Edited for Baiting]Edited by Psiion on September 11, 2021 9:31PM1 -
karekiz✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Step 1: Do weeks of tests to remove Proc sets
Step 2: Remove Proc sets
Step 3: Remove the Removal of Proc Sets
Step 4: Remove the removal of the Removal of proc sets for one campaign
Step 5: Make sets that make people want again the removal of the removal of the removal of proc sets
Step 6: Something something lag something something19 -
jerj6925✭✭✭✭Here is why things like procs should be remvoed from the game for now. The servers can not support the function!!!! If the servers the ZOS is using could handle the function then fine but as it is they cant. Dark Convergence for example, plenty of time to roll out of that proc... if the servers are not lagging but 95% of the time I die to this I never knew it was up until I look to see what killed me.
If the servers cant handle the function then it should not be in the game.2 -
Psiion✭✭✭✭Greetings all,
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DontWorryAboutit✭✭✭Greetings all,
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Forward this thread to the devs, maybe theyll take the hint!10 -
DontWorryAboutit✭✭✭[snip]. Bad players run rampant in cyrodiil, zergs and ball groups are equally just as bad as each other!
[Edited for Baiting]Edited by Psiion on September 11, 2021 10:23PM1 -
EdmondDontes✭✭✭✭✭
✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/586216/dark-convergence-pulled-me-from-3rd-floor-of-keep-so-i-alt-f4#latest
If you thought PvP was broken before the new proc sets, you ain't seen nothin' yet.Edited by EdmondDontes on September 11, 2021 10:12PM1 -
novemberhhh✭✭✭proc sets arent a new problem... who else remembers the world-shattering vipers sting nerf from nov 2016
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/305384/vipers-sting-set-is-it-ever-worth-the-effort4042 -
Nagastani✭✭✭✭This patch first felt amazing, but it only took a little while for everyone to farm these new proc sets, now everyone is using them, and it's just not enjoyable fam. Could we get a no proc cp campaign or could you make some changes to the proc sets, dark convergence pull is way too strong and you are constantly being pulled nonstop, Hrothgar hits for like 6-30k (yes 30k it happened to me before). At least allow cc immune potions work on not getting pulled and don't people with Hrothgar to hit you with it once you already got hit by one proc for 7 seconds (and possibly reduce the damage too). zos please we have been asking for fewer procs since the dawn of time, but more and more of them are added. Sorry for the rant but some of us are getting real tired of this man. Have a nice day and stay safe.
Could not agree more.0 -
ArgoCye✭✭✭✭Proc sets are not a problem. Viper’s Sting, Velidreth etc - all fine. Dark convergence is the issue here - and it was pointed out numerous times on the PTS. Snares, pulls, stuns and does huge damage. Seriously? Mythics and monster sets aren’t this powerful. It’s laughable to think they saw this set as a zerg buster - it just makes zergs more disgusting and amplifies the worst aspects of PvP.
I don’t care about proc sets. Just this one.
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Indigogo✭✭✭✭✭I kinda like hrothgar. It's finally punishing all those squishies standing on me while I siege, trying to get me killed by a bomb. Take that ya darn vd procs! But I'll rez your squidgey little butt after. ♡
Dc though....
It's a problem.
I'm not finding it too hard to deal with myself but my block and heal game is strong.
It's catching me out when you factor in vd procs though and we're finding that in big fights the dc procs are invisible which is just a nightmare to deal with.0 -
Sluggy✭✭✭✭✭
✭After sitting with the changes for a bit now, this whole patch just feels off to me. Can't put my finger on it but stuff isn't working that worked fine just before the patch. Of course they changed some numbers around in Battle Spirit, added a few new CP, and obviously the new sets but I really just can't get anything to work like before even when the conditions seem like they shouldn't be that different. Skill are firing at weird times, skills that have no casts times... actually have cast times now, I'm being hit with targeted melee skills through walls far more than before, I have the extremely odd delay after EVERY OTHER light attack, especially when playing with ranged weapons. Most of the defensive sets and skills I'm using actually seem to increase the damage I take. I'm actually to the point where I don't run ANY defense at all and I seem to live a lot longer. It's just really not fun anymore - even when I'm deliberately just roaming around without the intent of ever winning, just the feel of the game itself is.. I dunno, annoying? Frustrating? Something bad, that's all I can say for sure.Edited by Sluggy on September 11, 2021 11:40PM6 -
Togal✭✭✭✭30k Hrothgar.... So it hits for 54k assuming no resistances,which means the target had a combined total of... 207k resistances?!? There had to be more than one instance of that damage as there is no way that's possible.
Was possible, stand next to a person using the prayer templar skill that heals them and get hit with a dk using crossive and talons, its a 1 shot.0 -
neferpitou73✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS: Hey, we know proc sets are doing too much damage so we've scaled them down and given you a server without them.
Also ZOS: BTW here's three new incredibly broken proc sets that stun and do insane damage.8 -
Gadget4✭✭✭Dark Convergence needs adjusting .. the pull is to too severe & too far reaching, & the 1sec stun, with lag, is a guaranteed death
.. Add to that, remove the ability for Dark Convergence to stack, 1 pull, stun & damage is enough as it is, but 2 players in a ball group hitting you together is ridiculous
As for proc sets, as someone else has suggested, there should be a no-proc CP campaign ... players want to actually PvP, not set-v-set
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ealdwin✭✭✭✭✭
✭kringled_1 wrote: »30k Hrothgar.... So it hits for 54k assuming no resistances,which means the target had a combined total of... 207k resistances?!? There had to be more than one instance of that damage as there is no way that's possible.
I've read someone's thoughts that the set in certain situations may be adding up resistances from more than one target (which if true would be not as intended but would explain the occasional very high damage tick).
I’ve wondered if it’s possible that Hrothgars is double dipping on calculations, as in calculating damage from Spell Resist + Physical Resist + Armor. Whatever it is something seems to be wrong.0 -
woe✭✭✭✭Doesn't look at other posts, complains about new sets. There is too much of this spam going on and I can't even find regular forum threads anymore.uwu1 -
Nagastani✭✭✭✭This patch first felt amazing, but it only took a little while for everyone to farm these new proc sets, now everyone is using them, and it's just not enjoyable fam. Could we get a no proc cp campaign or could you make some changes to the proc sets, dark convergence pull is way too strong and you are constantly being pulled nonstop, Hrothgar hits for like 6-30k (yes 30k it happened to me before). At least allow cc immune potions work on not getting pulled and don't people with Hrothgar to hit you with it once you already got hit by one proc for 7 seconds (and possibly reduce the damage too). zos please we have been asking for fewer procs since the dawn of time, but more and more of them are added. Sorry for the rant but some of us are getting real tired of this man. Have a nice day and stay safe.
The new sets themselves actually can be fun and while they can help gameplay against ball groups, I believe the problem here is more profound.
So prior to any of these newer proc sets coming out, I have sat here and watched the bombing tactic spread thru Cyrodiil like a stage 4 cancer. Everyone wants the instant win. People are not really playing the game together, (as we still do on BGs) its people reacting to one another and retaliating thru bombing tactics.
ZOS created this problem by introducing VD however I believe they only intended it to be used to help break-up ball groups, so we needed VD. Even still, solo VD bombers almost feel like an exploit when they kill these large groups instantly. Something just doesn't sit right and with the direction things are going in now I don't see the problem ever really getting resolved.
Although one idea comes to mind, is to reset their gear system similar to the Diablo Games. In other words, every class, such as NB and a DK for example, should have their own gear. So Dark Convergenence could be NB or Necro gear which makes sense and more people could accept that. Rather than everyone using the same thing. You know a Hockey player and a Baseball player -do not- wear the same outfit.
Edited by Nagastani on September 12, 2021 2:19AM0 -
neferpitou73✭✭✭✭✭
✭Greetings all,
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They need to hire an actual PVP dev or just leave PvP alone. They break more than they fix.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on September 12, 2021 12:54PM6 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kringled_1 wrote: »30k Hrothgar.... So it hits for 54k assuming no resistances,which means the target had a combined total of... 207k resistances?!? There had to be more than one instance of that damage as there is no way that's possible.
I've read someone's thoughts that the set in certain situations may be adding up resistances from more than one target (which if true would be not as intended but would explain the occasional very high damage tick).
I’ve wondered if it’s possible that Hrothgars is double dipping on calculations, as in calculating damage from Spell Resist + Physical Resist + Armor. Whatever it is something seems to be wrong.
It is.
It also adds your pet's resistances to your own, if your pet is hit first. That includes storm atros, Chokethorn, and Engine Guardian pets, but not werewolf pets. Any targetable pet increases the damage calculation.0 -
ArgoCye✭✭✭✭CP no-proc campaign will be empty - people like to use their toys no matter how unbalanced. They just need to tone down DC. They modified VD - could even nerf damage more for less than 4 people.
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✭✭✭Every match is 10-22k Hrothgar procs and trying to avoid tons of dark conver AOEs..
Completely not fun for me, not a fan of this patch.Edited by Grandchamp1989 on September 12, 2021 9:02AM2 -
xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭The other sets are a non issue and only kill bads, but hrothgars needs to only hit that hard on tanks. Its meant for killing tanks and it does, but his team mates should not get hit just by standing near him. Finally get a bunker buster set, but zos makes it too strong against normal players. It should be a niche set that you swap too when a heavy armor potato is trying to do an epic 1vx montage. You swap the set on and turn his passive defense against him and watch him melt. Keep the damage, remove the AOE, and make it have to scale off hp and armor to hit as hard as it does now. Maybe increase the cooldown a couple seconds too.
While they are at it they should add another bunker buster set, so we can double down on tank killing sets to remove them even easier. If tanking becomes a less reliable way to cheese we will see a revival of active defense being meta. Sorcs will go back to using their shield spells! People will be afraid to stand out in the open with their block down! You will see people rolling into Los to heal instead of healing in someone's face! NO MORE PASSIVE DEFENSIVE GAMEPLAY! WE WANT REACTION SPEED TO BE KING IN PVP DONT WE BOYS?!?!I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.0 -
ResidentContrarian✭✭✭✭✭If the PvP community wasn't obsessed with winning at any cost, these sets wouldn't even be slotted.
Instead, PvP has become a toxic cesspool where all that matters is winning, and that usually entails finding broken things and keeping quiet about it.
Really a sad state of affairs...Now excuse me while I go and do some PvE.
I wonder if players have actually found PvP fun these last 3 years of patches. Hmm...5 -
Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cut Dark Convergance damage by 75%Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
GM of IMPERIUM since 2015.1
