LarsS wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

Didact805 wrote: »

Desyncs, server lag and in general the new sets... yeah no wonder there's backlash lol. PvP will die.

Have you tried the new multicore video option? I improves game play for many.

Lars move on, endgame PvP in ESO is dead now

We dont see that, we are growing with both new and experienced players, some comming from other games.

I give you a hint:

When - like yesterday in early prime time - you zerg down Fare and BM with 20+ players while DC is pop-locked and AD has between 1-2 bars, pvp is legitimately dead. This is like the definition of PvD.

Not that I mind, do whatever you enjoy. But please don't call this pvp.

LarsS wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

Didact805 wrote: »

Desyncs, server lag and in general the new sets... yeah no wonder there's backlash lol. PvP will die.

Have you tried the new multicore video option? I improves game play for many.

Lars move on, endgame PvP in ESO is dead now

We dont see that, we are growing with both new and experienced players, some comming from other games.

Well my bad for hinting you are an endgame PvP raidguild. But IF you take your head out of the sand and look around what DO you see? I know you guys dont like to visit bleakers to get stomped at but still, u must noticed anything, or are u just pvdooring and zerging all the time theese days?

adirondack wrote: »

Whether intentional or not, many guilds are leaving organized group PvP in Cyrodiil at an alarming rate. I am aware of four guilds who have left just this week. I'm sure there isn't just one factor - we could list several:

(1) New World impending release
(2) the new anti-zerg sets
(3) multiple unresolved performance issues
(4) crashing becoming more frequent
(5) lack of any improvement or adjustment to cyrodiil gameplay
(6) overall boredom

My goal posting is not to argue whether the 'year of performance' was successful or not; not to discuss the benefit/value of the new proc sets; or even to add yet another comment about NW. Just awareness to the general PvP community that guilds are leaving. For those of us who are staying on ESO pvp, we will have to adapt. Maybe we won't miss the guilds and players who are leaving, but I suspect we will.

Maybe Zenimax will be interested in knowing this as well. I hope so.

Good post, I havent logged into eso in probably 3 or 4 months now and a handful of my friends is in the same situation. Mainly due to 3 reasons that you mention in your post.

adirondack wrote: »

(3) multiple unresolved performance issues
(5) lack of any improvement or adjustment to cyrodiil gameplay
(6) overall boredom

The 6th reason is there because of the 2 prior reasons. RIP.

LarsS wrote: »

There is an alternative, it took time before I decided to try it though. Go non-proc, non-cp. It's close to the original ESO PVP where skill and teamwork is decisive. There is still enough sets around to create variation in the game play.

Whenever anything or anybody looks backwards instead of forwards for the best, this is a huge sign of trouble.

So i should log onto no cp no proc just so I can have a semblance of what I did so long ago? Are we in a retirement home or something? Why invest time, energy, and money for something you know wont ever get better?

And I stress semblance because you cant just remove a few proc sets and CP and tell me it's akin to original ESO. No it's not. In 2015, I still believed the devs would improve the game and there would be better days ahead. The class I loved to play still had a distinctive identity. The game had reasonable stability such that I basically knew the rules and basic mechanics of the game wouldn't radically changed from patch to patch. There was a full time PvP developer. I had confidence that if there were issues with balance, because there was only one game system (instead of cp, no CP, BGs, no CP no proc sets, etc), the potential at least existed that busted stuff could be reasonable addressed. In short, back in the original ESO, I still looked forward to the game improving, whatever my reservations were about the changes they did make.

Joy_Division wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

There is an alternative, it took time before I decided to try it though. Go non-proc, non-cp. It's close to the original ESO PVP where skill and teamwork is decisive. There is still enough sets around to create variation in the game play.

Whenever anything or anybody looks backwards instead of forwards for the best, this is a huge sign of trouble.

So i should log onto no cp no proc just so I can have a semblance of what I did so long ago? Are we in a retirement home or something? Why invest time, energy, and money for something you know wont ever get better?

And I stress semblance because you cant just remove a few proc sets and CP and tell me it's akin to original ESO. No it's not. In 2015, I still believed the devs would improve the game and there would be better days ahead. The class I loved to play still had a distinctive identity. The game had reasonable stability such that I basically knew the rules and basic mechanics of the game wouldn't radically changed from patch to patch. There was a full time PvP developer. I had confidence that if there were issues with balance, because there was only one game system (instead of cp, no CP, BGs, no CP no proc sets, etc), the potential at least existed that busted stuff could be reasonable addressed. In short, back in the original ESO, I still looked forward to the game improving, whatever my reservations were about the changes they did make.

You miss my point. It's easier to balance the pvp without the proc sets and cp. If zos have any intention to do that I dont know.

I think its rather obvious that if you want pvp to be based on individual skills and teamwork, one should avoid factors like CP and proc sets, because it increases the difference between a new player and a long time player. Not because the long time player is better, but because the player have a high cp and a big pool of sets.

LarsS wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

There is an alternative, it took time before I decided to try it though. Go non-proc, non-cp. It's close to the original ESO PVP where skill and teamwork is decisive. There is still enough sets around to create variation in the game play.

Whenever anything or anybody looks backwards instead of forwards for the best, this is a huge sign of trouble.

So i should log onto no cp no proc just so I can have a semblance of what I did so long ago? Are we in a retirement home or something? Why invest time, energy, and money for something you know wont ever get better?

And I stress semblance because you cant just remove a few proc sets and CP and tell me it's akin to original ESO. No it's not. In 2015, I still believed the devs would improve the game and there would be better days ahead. The class I loved to play still had a distinctive identity. The game had reasonable stability such that I basically knew the rules and basic mechanics of the game wouldn't radically changed from patch to patch. There was a full time PvP developer. I had confidence that if there were issues with balance, because there was only one game system (instead of cp, no CP, BGs, no CP no proc sets, etc), the potential at least existed that busted stuff could be reasonable addressed. In short, back in the original ESO, I still looked forward to the game improving, whatever my reservations were about the changes they did make.

You miss my point. It's easier to balance the pvp without the proc sets and cp. If zos have any intention to do that I dont know.

I think its rather obvious that if you want pvp to be based on individual skills and teamwork, one should avoid factors like CP and proc sets, because it increases the difference between a new player and a long time player. Not because the long time player is better, but because the player have a high cp and a big pool of sets.

How is it easier to balance something like purge when you have one campaign where if you hit a button you can explode for 35K and another campaign where that cannot happen? It can;t be done. You either play one campaign where it is way too efficient or you play in another campaign where it's a suicide button. If you wanted to impress me with your group's skill and teamwork, you wouldn't run off to no CP where your group could spam purge without consequence; something ZOS finally acknowledged was a disruptive mechanic in Cyrodiil which is why the Plague set was introduced in the first place.

If I want PvP to be based on individual skill and teamwork, I should avoid factors like playing a game with no full time PvP developer, a game with that tries to balance multiple PvP rule-sets simultaneously, a game that seeks solutions to meta problems by selling gear, and then creates a campaign where said gear isn't allowed, etc.

I can only speak for me personally and others close to me that I have spoken to. But these seem to be the major factors for people just outright done with pvp in this game. Again this is mine and their opinion on the matter of a dying cyrodill.

Performance worse than it ever was and getting worse each patch. We could go on at length the different performance issues. But fighting the constant positional desynch is my new favorite worry in pvp.

Bugs and issues that have been in pvp for years and never fixed (stuck in combat, stuck in walls from knock ups, the list could go on) At some point it just gets old and tiresome.

Less fights to be had overall. I cant speak for EU only my experience in NA. But outside of a a few small groups and large coordinated 12 man guilds. Every time I log into PCNA GH it appears to be each faction massed together in one super zerg going from keep to keep. Without ever even attempting to break free from the faction stack. We used to have fights going from ash-nickle. ales-bleaks sej-brk at all times. Now you are lucky outside of primetime hours to find a single nightblade on those paths. Attempt to take resources at a keep. You might get a few to respond but many times it seems to be ignored unless the keep itself is threatened. And it is always the same names due to pop caps being lower and a shrinking pvp population. Not much new blood in pvp. so if you are tired of killing or dying to the same people over and over. Not much escape or variety to be found. PCNA Standard is a roll of the dice. You might get a fight you might not. Otherwise it appears everyone there is more intent on pvdoor than fighting anything. I dont play PCNA no cp much but it appears dead now except for primetime?

There seems to be no long term vision for pvp at all. Just throwing things at the wall and hoping it sticks. What kind of pvp does ZoS want? they commented at one point of wanting people to spread out to improve performance, but introduce the hammer into pvp. (this is not a hammer complaint but an issue over vision) that drags entire factions to it. Doing the exact opposite of what they wanted. We get major swings in METAs. they wanted to make dot damage outside of bleed builds powerful, so they buffed dots to massive levels to the point dots became oppressive, only to nerf them back into almost uselessness. We get a proc meta, only to have the proc meta removed. To go back today to another proc meta. This time with 3 extremely powerful procs. (yes they are effective at knocking out ball groups and zergs. and I am sure many people are happy to see these sets. But all anti zerg sets in turn end up being abused by the zerg against smaller groups and in the end nobody wins). Sure games need to evolve and change overtime. But the changes ZoS makes are drastic and haphazardly done.

All these issues together. Why would players continue to want to invest time and money into the game.