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[PvP] Create a No-faction side for Solo Players
DoomGrunt624
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Hello there,
As a solo player in PvP, I would LOVE being involved in a No-Faction side, where every players can attack me. As a solo PvP, sometimes we meet great person helping quests or doing somes Roleplay, always in the respect of each others without attacking. At least, we need a spawn spot, maybe 5 or 6 differents spots on the Cyrodiil frontline all around, or just randomly appears in the map.
What do you think ?
As a solo player in PvP, I would LOVE being involved in a No-Faction side, where every players can attack me. As a solo PvP, sometimes we meet great person helping quests or doing somes Roleplay, always in the respect of each others without attacking. At least, we need a spawn spot, maybe 5 or 6 differents spots on the Cyrodiil frontline all around, or just randomly appears in the map.
What do you think ?
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Parasaurolophus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No. This is an outrageous senseless and too "bold" idea. This will never happen.PC/EU4 -
Lady_Galadhiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭And why factionless? I also met red & blue players who didn't attack me because they where either pve'ers or werent interested in a fight.
Also saw roleplayers doing their thing in Cyrodiil while PvP'ers did ignore them because it was obvious to everyone they werent there to fight.Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Can you attack every player in turn?
Because as someone who fights for EP, I can see a number of problems that a "mercenary" faction could create for players like me.- Can you capture objectives like keeps and resources? Can you pick up Scrolls? Lots of trolling potential there if you can. Worse, if you can't, there's no incentive for you to actually play for the sake of campaign score and every incentive to just roll around the map looking for "good fights" at the expense of players who are trying to win the campaign for their alliance. Imagine a ball group on the "No-faction" faction just running laps around a keep, with no reason to leave, assist other players, or even capture the keep.
- Is the population cap being expanded to account for a fourth "No-faction" faction? Or are the three existing alliances cut down from 33% to 25% to account for the presence of a fourth faction?
- Cyrodiil is designed for AvAvA, which often feels like A+A v A. Hence the prevalence of Team "Green/Orange/Purple" complaints. Adding a fourth team might balance things out for the underdog, but let's be honest, it would also create situations that are A+A+A v A, with the underdog alliance likely having less players to defend their territory.
So I have some qualms about how it would work, practically, from the viewpoint of someone who enjoys fighting for EP.11 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because of current population locks I don't think this idea is viable. Also not a good idea because it creates more opportunity for griefing. If this were put in game to keep trolling down a bit non faction players would need to be unable to enter keeps. During events we always have a few trolls that like to gank inside buildings where quests are turned in. If non faction were allowed in keeps for any reason at all ganking as players enter would be a year long problem. Non faction should also have zero access to siege equipment. No way they should be able to influence the map in any way. That means no flipping flags at resources and no AP.
In the end all the change would do is give gankers more targets.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
MadeInVN✭✭✭✭Aside from the faction lock supporters, this idea has been thrown around for ages but ZOS most likely won't listen. They profit from Alliance Change Token way too much to make this go through. I am 100% supportive of it though because I only care about fights and not faction loyalty. However, a "Rogue" faction should have zero influence over the map, meaning no leaderboards, resource/keep flipping, etc. A rogue faction's only purpose should be to fight any faction.0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭First problem, they would need a new home base.
Also what would prevent the no faction players from taking sides?
A lot of work and details to make it work right.
Should fix all the underlaying problems before more layers of problems added.
Edited by TequilaFire on September 10, 2021 7:02PM4 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are you talking about just a campaign that has absolutely no factions? Just everyone solo in some free for all?
Sounds boring actually, because solo players typically stand around eachother and don't attack eachother. It would be a campaign of everyone just standing around each other.
Just duel, in that case. You can't 1vX if there's no X. That's why I never understood the shade thrown at "zerglings".
You need them to do your thing. It's a symbiotic relationship even though no one realizes it.3 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe a campaign in Imperial city with that option, don't think it would work too well in Cyrodiil.1 -
merpins✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This suggestion comes up a lot. If they were to do it, they should just create 3 new zones in Cyrodiil like they do whenever they make a new zone. Rather than open the pretty empty cyrodiil for PVE, just make new full zones with a lot to do in Cyro. Main landmarks are still there as they are in PVP, but it's a PVE version of the zone that has more clutter that wouldn't be as good for a PVP experience. That's about it.0 -
AdamLAD✭✭✭✭✭I agree with a factionless option. We have had AvAvA for nearly 7 years now. Time to add some change into Cyrodill. By all means keep the AvAvA to please the roleplayers and people who just genuinely like that. But honestly its time for some things to be added and way better incentives to actually do PvP.0
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Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Can you attack every player in turn?
Because as someone who fights for EP, I can see a number of problems that a "mercenary" faction could create for players like me.- Can you capture objectives like keeps and resources? Can you pick up Scrolls? Lots of trolling potential there if you can. Worse, if you can't, there's no incentive for you to actually play for the sake of campaign score and every incentive to just roll around the map looking for "good fights" at the expense of players who are trying to win the campaign for their alliance. Imagine a ball group on the "No-faction" faction just running laps around a keep, with no reason to leave, assist other players, or even capture the keep.
- Is the population cap being expanded to account for a fourth "No-faction" faction? Or are the three existing alliances cut down from 33% to 25% to account for the presence of a fourth faction?
- Cyrodiil is designed for AvAvA, which often feels like A+A v A. Hence the prevalence of Team "Green/Orange/Purple" complaints. Adding a fourth team might balance things out for the underdog, but let's be honest, it would also create situations that are A+A+A v A, with the underdog alliance likely having less players to defend their territory.
So I have some qualms about how it would work, practically, from the viewpoint of someone who enjoys fighting for EP.
I agree with this Having a non-faction group has the potential of creating more problems compared to the limited benefits it could bring to some players which would essentially have no real benefit for the game.6 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Until Cyrodiil performance improves to the point where we can double the player cap to og numbers I don't think this would be a good idea to implement.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
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- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
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- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
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- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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AdamLAD✭✭✭✭✭Until Cyrodiil performance improves to the point where we can double the player cap to og numbers I don't think this would be a good idea to implement.
I think that is a very fair and reasonable statement. Id rather have a perfect working cyrodill with old eso pvp numbers than anything else.1
