Jewelry Plating

rpa · August 2021

I do my writs and surveys and try to csually harvest nodes I pass by. Tempers happen. Enough for my crafting needs and surplus for casual millions of gold.

virtus753 · August 2021

Franchise408 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

You are guaranteed a grain or plating from daily jewelry writs. Chromium grains drop about 25% of the time from tier 5 daily writs.

Master writs only consume mats, never grant them. They give writ vouchers and XP as a reward.

Thanks for that!

Thank tmbrinks for the data!

Spreadsheet is linked here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/506083/1-year-of-tracking-writ-drops-and-refining-rates/p1

Dzadzey · September 2021

Well, Spent as much time as was available to me during this event. I went from 5 potent/15 fortified nirncrux to 38/103. Chromium plating, I went from FIVE to...wait for it...SEVEN CHROMIUM PLATING. If this doesn't tell ZOS they need to adjust their chromium grain drops UPWARDS, just what will?

Sylvermynx · September 2021

And how many iridium grains/platings did you get? I repeat, I always have plenty of every color of grain/plating EXCEPT iridium. Today on my main account I refined 480 platinum dust - I got 11 iridium grains. I got 43 terne, 28 zircon, and 30 chromium grains.

Lady_Galadhiel · September 2021

Sylvermynx wrote: »

And how many iridium grains/platings did you get? I repeat, I always have plenty of every color of grain/plating EXCEPT iridium. Today on my main account I refined 480 platinum dust - I got 11 iridium grains. I got 43 terne, 28 zircon, and 30 chromium grains.

What??? o.O That many grains from only 480 dusts? I did never hear anyone getting that much from so little,if it would be 4800 platinium yea but only 480? Like what? I do surveys and collect up to 700 platinum dust and get 5 chromium grains and few other if lucky.
And I know people who have even worse luck then mine when it comes to refining.

SeaGtGruff · September 2021

rpa wrote: »

I do my writs and surveys and try to csually harvest nodes I pass by. Tempers happen. Enough for my crafting needs and surplus for casual millions of gold.

LOL! When I read that, at first I thought you meant "fits of temper"! Then I reread it.

Aleinzzs · September 2021

even doing writs on 9 jewelry crafters daily, i still feel the ability to get plating is absurd compared to any other upgrade material. same with refining, i refined 2000 blacksmithing pieces, get bout 50 tempering alloy. did the same with platinum dust, think i got like 8 green platings, and 1 zircon grain.

Jewelery in general needs to be changed, it's absurdly expensive to regear toons strictly due to jewelery.

zaria · September 2021

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I get most of my Chromium Grains from Rank 5 crafting writ boxes on 18 characters. The rate is about 1 out of 4, sometimes you get 2 Grains, and rarely you get a full Chromium Plating.

Yes, do max level writs, its the way to get chromium grains not farming ore.

Sylvermynx · September 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

And how many iridium grains/platings did you get? I repeat, I always have plenty of every color of grain/plating EXCEPT iridium. Today on my main account I refined 480 platinum dust - I got 11 iridium grains. I got 43 terne, 28 zircon, and 30 chromium grains.

What??? o.O That many grains from only 480 dusts? I did never hear anyone getting that much from so little,if it would be 4800 platinium yea but only 480? Like what? I do surveys and collect up to 700 platinum dust and get 5 chromium grains and few other if lucky.
And I know people who have even worse luck then mine when it comes to refining.

Yeah - this was a great haul today. It's not that many normally - even 11 iridium was a lot (I mean, no, it's not compared to the other colors but it was a lot more than I usually get!) I have a haul like this maybe once every couple of months - it's like it saves RNG up or something. But the actual point is that the drop rate of blue grains for me is FAR less than the others.

Lady_Galadhiel · September 2021

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

And how many iridium grains/platings did you get? I repeat, I always have plenty of every color of grain/plating EXCEPT iridium. Today on my main account I refined 480 platinum dust - I got 11 iridium grains. I got 43 terne, 28 zircon, and 30 chromium grains.

What??? o.O That many grains from only 480 dusts? I did never hear anyone getting that much from so little,if it would be 4800 platinium yea but only 480? Like what? I do surveys and collect up to 700 platinum dust and get 5 chromium grains and few other if lucky.
And I know people who have even worse luck then mine when it comes to refining.

Yeah - this was a great haul today. It's not that many normally - even 11 iridium was a lot (I mean, no, it's not compared to the other colors but it was a lot more than I usually get!) I have a haul like this maybe once every couple of months - it's like it saves RNG up or something. But the actual point is that the drop rate of blue grains for me is FAR less than the others.

Not in my case, I usually get more blue grains than anything else.
I easily make 10 iridium platings a week with daily writs and surveys maps.

Sylvermynx · September 2021

Boy, RNG is a you-know-what, ain't? I'll go weeks with one blue plating and a few grains - and that's the same on both accounts, both PC megaservers....

Redguards_Revenge · September 2021

Dzadzey wrote: »

Today, I farmed the hell out of craglorn & wrothgar an refined nearly 700 units of raw materials. You know just how many chromium grains I got? Zero...Zip...Zilch...NADA. And, I'm not the only one. Folks in the clans I belong to just destroy their jewelry master crafting writs because they're too expensive to fulfill and the return simply doesn't justify the expense. Just Just another ZOS screw-up.

I was one of the few people to be 9 trait jewlry crafter...and one of the last to get the golden color.

Sarannah · September 2021

The problem with jewelry crafting is threefold:

1: ZOS made jewelry nodes too rare. Meaning some players only farm jewelry nodes, while others get barely any at all. Causing many players to have only a low amount of dusts available.
2: There is no jewelry crafting hireling. This does make a huge difference, as this comes down to 2 or 3 free jewelry crafting dailies per day(with 18 characters).
3: To get upgradematerials we need 10 of each grain, while other crafts use only one. So we have to be lucky 10 times to upgrade, instead of once. And each upgrade costs multiple platings, so we need to be lucky 10, 20, 30, or even 40 times.

Just issues 1 and 2 alone cause many players to have a fastly dwindling supply of platinum. And only few dusts to refine, automatically means a low chance for receiving upgrade materials.

Possible fixes:
1: Let jewelry nodes spawn more often. (though this could be caused by players targetfarming nodes)
2: Give us hirelings for jewelry crafting.
3: Change the upgrade costs of all tiers to 1 plating for a 100% chance. (maybe lower grain drops if implemented)

Overall, every tradeskill seems reasonably balanced with material costs/usage/farming. Except for jewelrycrafting.

gariondavey · September 2021

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

I'd like it if they reduced the number of platings for each level by 1

But they did that already, it used to be as much as other crafts when it was first introduced.

I am aware. I stand by what I suggested.

gariondavey · September 2021

Sarannah wrote: »

The problem with jewelry crafting is threefold:

1: ZOS made jewelry nodes too rare. Meaning some players only farm jewelry nodes, while others get barely any at all. Causing many players to have only a low amount of dusts available.
2: There is no jewelry crafting hireling. This does make a huge difference, as this comes down to 2 or 3 free jewelry crafting dailies per day(with 18 characters).
3: To get upgradematerials we need 10 of each grain, while other crafts use only one. So we have to be lucky 10 times to upgrade, instead of once. And each upgrade costs multiple platings, so we need to be lucky 10, 20, 30, or even 40 times.

Just issues 1 and 2 alone cause many players to have a fastly dwindling supply of platinum. And only few dusts to refine, automatically means a low chance for receiving upgrade materials.

Possible fixes:
1: Let jewelry nodes spawn more often. (though this could be caused by players targetfarming nodes)
2: Give us hirelings for jewelry crafting.
3: Change the upgrade costs of all tiers to 1 plating for a 100% chance. (maybe lower grain drops if implemented)

Overall, every tradeskill seems reasonably balanced with material costs/usage/farming. Except for jewelrycrafting.

Amen

Everest_Lionheart · September 2021

deflorate wrote: »

It's the highest end mat for jewelry and the most expensive, it shouldn't come in amounts to make it worth nothing and be easy to get. Endgame is meant to be a grind and to cost in-game currency and time.

The issue being that often times the players themselves gate the endgame group content on the contingency that you have certain pieces in gold. The revolving door that is the meta means the gear often revolves with it. So we get used to making the new hotness every 2 months and that’s about what it takes to farm up enough grains to make platings you will need to upgrade your jewelry especially if you play multiple classes/roles in many different groups.

The workaround is one set each of gear that you pass from toon to toon but it would be nice if my plates could go towards QOL and making multiple copies of the same gear particularly when I have to sub or swap on the fly from thinks like ZenDK to ZenCro. I would prefer to have the gear on each of them.

On a related note I have so much gold jewelry from meta and off meta sets sitting in my coffers it’s ridiculous. I would break some of it down but the margins are terrible on deconstruction with a chance at a grain for the 40 I out into it, thanks but no thanks.

HumbleThaumaturge · September 2021

Dzadzey wrote: »

Today, I farmed the hell out of craglorn & wrothgar an refined nearly 700 units of raw materials. You know just how many chromium grains I got? Zero...Zip...Zilch...NADA. And, I'm not the only one. Folks in the clans I belong to just destroy their jewelry master crafting writs because they're too expensive to fulfill and the return simply doesn't justify the expense. Just Just another ZOS screw-up.

It seems obvious to me (since first introduced with Summerset) that ZOS really wants to seriously limit upgrades of crafted jewelry. But remember when jewelry-crafting was first introduced? It took 8 chromium plates to upgrade 1 piece of jewelry, not 4! So ZOS did respond to players by cutting the required gold-mat in half. But, as I said, it's obvious ZOS wants to limit gold-quality craftable jewelry: so they are not going to do anything at this point (such as suggestions by Sarannah) to increase availability of chromium grains. It's not going to happen.

As others have said, the best source for the gold-quality jewelry mat (chromium grains and plate) seems to be the daily crafting writ. I don't know the drop-rate: maybe 1-in-3? The daily crafting writ also give Surveys for jewelry raw mats . . . so you are able to get (on average) about 1 chromium grain per survey.

I have spent (literally) countless hours farming resource nodes: the drop-rate seems to be exactly 1 gold mat per 200 raw mats. Now, that is an average over thousands of raw mats, not just a few hundred. I've had your experience: I, also, have processed 700 to 800 raw mats without getting a gold mat. But if I process (say) 30000 raw mats, the average is always close to 1-in-200. And, of course, one needs 40 chromium grains for one upgrade. And, of course, jewelry nodes are not independent nodes: they are the same node as a metal ore node, but they spawn as a jewelry node maybe (what?) 20 percent of the time? Yeah, best to get your jewelry mats from daily writs.

I do few Jewelry master writs: not ever for Gold or Purple, rarely for Blue. The value of the mats is greater than the value of the writ vouchers. I currently hold about 9 dozen Blue quality jewelry writs. I also have a large number of Purple and Gold quality writs I may never do. I hold them as I keep hoping mats will be more abundant some day. I guess that's not going to happen. And considering the value of certain trait stones (for example, for Triune), it's definitely NOT worth doing jewelry writs. I have destroyed countless jewelry writs . . . just to free-up Inventory slots. I mean, what's the value of the mats to do a gold-quality writ??? About 1 million gold? And one gets (what?) maybe 600 to 660 writ vouchers? Not worth it. And what's the value of mats to do a blue-quality writ? About 30000 gold, not counting value of trait stone? For 25 to 30 writ vouchers? Better. So I sometimes will do a 29- or 30-voucher writ if it uses a cheap trait stone

Asardes · September 2021

Provided you have all the relevant refining passives, the average drop chance from refining is about 5%, meaning you need to refine a stack of raw materials on average to get one legendary temper. It increases to 6.2%-6.5% with the Meticulous Dissasembly CP. 700 is a really small sample, so it's not relevant. When I do my surveys I generally get 13,000-15,000 platinum dust, and when I refine those the results are pretty much in line with those percentages.

Doing writs at maximum tier is a far more reliable way to get any kind of legendary tempers. Drop chance is 30-35% for dreugh wax, tempering alloy, rosin and kuta, slightly higher for chromium grains, since sometimes you get double drop or, very rarely, a whole chromium plating. But that evens out with the lack of jewelry crafting hirelings, compared to the other crafts.

Asardes · September 2021

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

deflorate wrote: »

The issue being that often times the players themselves gate the endgame group content on the contingency that you have certain pieces in gold. The revolving door that is the meta means the gear often revolves with it. So we get used to making the new hotness every 2 months and that’s about what it takes to farm up enough grains to make platings you will need to upgrade your jewelry especially if you play multiple classes/roles in many different groups.

Gear bonuses and glyph values don't scale that well with armor and jewelry quality, especially after Flames of Ambition when we got higher stats in general. The difference from purple to gold is actually less than the difference from blue to purple. Also there are very few builds where you would actually need to craft jewelry of any quality, let alone gold, since I can't think of one combo of 2 crafted sets that is better than one involving 1 crafted + 1 dropped (far more convenient to farm the jewelry from the latter), or even 2 dropped (difficult mixing and matcing pieces). On the other hand having gold quality weapons is far more important since the upgrade from purple to gold also adds significant weapon & spell damage.

So basically for PVE someone who farmed trial X on normal to get set Y, can then progress trial X on veteran and get Y perfected, for which gold jewelry is a guaranteed drop from the last boss. Now you can even combo perfected and non-perfected pieces, so the difference in damage output is very small as you progress.

jle30303 · September 2021

Blue grains are easy to get. Run enough dungeons and dolmens and you will have tons of smashable blue rings.

For purple, repeat the same but with veteran dungeons (from the vanilla set, which are easier than DLC, since it doesn't matter WHICH sets you get, since you are deconning them.)

I also get decent quantities of plating grains from all colours because, on all my toons (10 of them), when doing daily writs, I've spent the skill points to give them all maximum level 5 in jewelrycrafting, and I refine jewelry on only one toon - my first, main one, the one with all the skills and CP perks that improve refining yield. Also, I keep and do Jewelry surveys (on my main, who has access to all areas, using the bank to transfer the surveys to him), which gives me ginormous quantities of platinum to refine every few days.

I have *not* bothered to max out the skill point levels up to 10 in blacksmithing, woodworking and tailoring, on any toon except my main - though they all have reached level 50 from being handed stuff to deconstruct - but I have spent the skill points on jewelry.

This also means I get more blue Jewelry writs than I can use, so I junk anything that isn't one of the basic three (Robust, Arcane, Healthy). Occasionally I get a purple writ, and will do those in any trait except Triune as long as it has ~200 vouchers. Gold writs are MUCH rarer - so far I've obtained two (and have bought others in the mall). I won't even look at a gold jewelry writ unless it offers ~600 vouchers or more, but if it does, then I'll keep it even if it requires a Triune item.

From all my normal jewelry writs, I actually get marginally more Chromium than Zircon grains, but this is compensated by getting more Iridium and Zircon grains from (a) refining platinum after doing surveys and (b) smashing jewelry that I get from dungeons, dolmens and chests.

Kessra · September 2021

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

The game must live up to its endless grind design one way or another...

Beliefe me, there are other MMOs out their where ESO would not be considered a grind-game at all

In regards to the drop-chance of chromium: luck is luck. I just recently refined 1400 platinum and obtained 7 chromium, but doing all of the daily crafting-writs on 18 chars I receive some every now and then. If I'd have to guess I'd say every 4th or 5th jewelcrafting writ I turn in.

Mirumorg · September 2021

A legend tells to refine 10 units at a time to have a better chance of finding high quality items

Jaimeh · September 2021

moo_2021 wrote: »

Dzadzey wrote: »

Folks in the clans I belong to just destroy their jewelry master crafting writs because they're too expensive to fulfill and the return simply doesn't justify the expense.

Are they!? I had a writ which rewards 200 vouchers for a purple jewelry. sold it though

Yeah, it's a thing, the value of the vouchers is less than selling the mats.

Asardes · September 2021

Mirumorg wrote: »

A legend tells to refine 10 units at a time to have a better chance of finding high quality items

Back in the day you couldn't refine more. There was actually an addon for many years that just pressed the button until all raw materials were refined, and it took quite a few years until they incorporated that feature in the base game UI. But the results before and after that change were pretty much the same so the RNG code stayed the same.

stefj68 · September 2021

i deconstruct 10 yellow jewelry pieces from vhrc
i got 4 grains

max tradeskils, deconstructions, everyting!

Kel · September 2021

Sylvermynx wrote: »

And how many iridium grains/platings did you get? I repeat, I always have plenty of every color of grain/plating EXCEPT iridium. Today on my main account I refined 480 platinum dust - I got 11 iridium grains. I got 43 terne, 28 zircon, and 30 chromium grains.

I'm guessing this is exaggerated.
30 chromium from 480 dust?
Absolutely not.

Zircon is even more rare.

I'm sorry, no disrespect, but there's no way those numbers are accurate.

amgame308_ESO · September 2021

I still come across jewelry from before jewelry crafting was a thing and can't decon it. I think it is a bug then remember oh yeah I remember all the jewelry I had saved up then was denied.

Also no jewel crafting hirelings. =(

But all in all I can't complain too much, once you get a few leveled and the dailies going you get enough intricate to make leveling another not so bad.

Crafting in ESO is overall good and I like it.

Lady_Galadhiel · September 2021

Kel wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

And how many iridium grains/platings did you get? I repeat, I always have plenty of every color of grain/plating EXCEPT iridium. Today on my main account I refined 480 platinum dust - I got 11 iridium grains. I got 43 terne, 28 zircon, and 30 chromium grains.

I'm guessing this is exaggerated.
30 chromium from 480 dust?
Absolutely not.

Zircon is even more rare.

I'm sorry, no disrespect, but there's no way those numbers are accurate.

I was sort of thinking the same.

ApoAlaia · September 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

And how many iridium grains/platings did you get? I repeat, I always have plenty of every color of grain/plating EXCEPT iridium. Today on my main account I refined 480 platinum dust - I got 11 iridium grains. I got 43 terne, 28 zircon, and 30 chromium grains.

I'm guessing this is exaggerated.
30 chromium from 480 dust?
Absolutely not.

Zircon is even more rare.

I'm sorry, no disrespect, but there's no way those numbers are accurate.

I was sort of thinking the same.

Chromium chances while refining raw dust with all the passives is around 0.5x%

In other words on average 1 grain every 200 dusts.

30 grains from 480 dusts, not happening. 3? yeah, that is a likely result. 30? nope. Not in your nelly.

DMuehlhausen · September 2021

Dzadzey wrote: »

Today, I farmed the hell out of craglorn & wrothgar an refined nearly 700 units of raw materials. You know just how many chromium grains I got? Zero...Zip...Zilch...NADA. And, I'm not the only one. Folks in the clans I belong to just destroy their jewelry master crafting writs because they're too expensive to fulfill and the return simply doesn't justify the expense. Just Just another ZOS screw-up.

Yeah..and that's RNG. I've also done like 70 and gotten 3 or 4. Then nothing for the next several thousand.