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Need to Purge dungeons of Bots every 1 hour. not every 5 hours
Kenny_McCormick
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i know you guys are doing all you can to fight bots now and i want to say ty. have seen many since yesterday evening!
tho alot of us have a request!....maybe instead of a purge every 5 hours......why cant you do it every 1 hour?
it will keep dungeons clear indefinitly
Edited by Kenny_McCormick on April 28, 2014 7:10AM tho alot of us have a request!....maybe instead of a purge every 5 hours......why cant you do it every 1 hour?
it will keep dungeons clear indefinitly
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✭Or they could institute name restrictions that auto-ban characters with lowercase names until they can prove they're human via e-mail. Bots would be wiped out instantly game wide. And would stay out until the programs found a way around the name restrictionsShendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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Kenny_McCormick✭✭✭some players use lowercase names..not just bots lol so its a thought but it has repercussions maybe make it so that if ONE of the toons on your account has a uppercase in their name they are safe even if they make lowercase names
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Moroch✭✭I am pretty sure that the bot genocide every 5 hours is just to keep people happy whilst they look for a more viable long term solution.
Remember that ZMO is a new MMO company and are learning, much like the MMO giants did in the past before they were giants. Be happy about the 5 hours and be patient.
*DISCLAIMER* I am in no way trying to undermine your thread. I am concerned that the bots will take precedence over progression stalling bugs and broken quests/game mechanics. Thank you."Go fiddling with any locks around here and we're going to have a real problem"3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The botting siuation over this weekend seemed a lot better - at least at bosses within dungeons. I saw at least one obvious bot standing outside a dungeon though and the boss in Emberflint Mine (EP) still had a group of bots on it.
This situation was a bit unusual as you can clearly see a new bot teleporting into the dungeon and joining the group. I haven't seen this before. Usually the bots run through the dungeon like everyone else (I have seen at least one following me).
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Moroch✭✭This "teleporting" is almost certainly a tool called a "multi-hack". Now before we start screaming about "another flaw in the ZMO design" this kind of abuse was VERY prevalent in major titles like GW2 and others. Somehow the tool sends packets to the servers saying that their character isn't actually here... they are here with the rest of the party or something. I don't know how they work I just know what they can do. Eventually ZMO will put in auto checks to detect teleporting to and from areas where it shouldn't be possible.
Or it could be the "teleport to party member" thing... I have never used that so I don't know how it works."Go fiddling with any locks around here and we're going to have a real problem"0 -
Hexi✭✭✭✭✭Even if they keep doing it every 5 hours, they will get rid of the bots eventually because the ones running the bots will start to lose money as you cannot make enough gold in 5 hours to cover the cost of the box. Once it stops being profitable the botting will stop.
What they really need to focus on is the pub dungeons in the first zones so the bot accoutns can't accumulate revenue.1 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭Even if they keep doing it every 5 hours, they will get rid of the bots eventually because the ones running the bots will start to lose money as you cannot make enough gold in 5 hours to cover the cost of the box. Once it stops being profitable the botting will stop.
What they really need to focus on is the pub dungeons in the first zones so the bot accoutns can't accumulate revenue.
They don't spend their own money on the game. They never have. They either use stolen accounts or stolen credit cards. Either way, they lose NOTHING when the accounts are banned.1 -
knaveofengland✭✭✭well I haven't seen any bots over this weekend and went in all of them dungeons in stonefalls , so what you are asking is already happening every thing takes time. you are all used to having every thing instant these things take time,1
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Dunhilda✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »Or they could institute name restrictions that auto-ban characters with lowercase names until they can prove they're human via e-mail. Bots would be wiped out instantly game wide. And would stay out until the programs found a way around the name restrictions
some Legit player has lowcer case names, Bots are controlled by a human and checked on daily, maybe every couple of hours they would noticed before the day is out.
And if the next suggestion is Recaptura let me point it out right now, AIon did it and flopped regardless.
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Hexi✭✭✭✭✭Even if they keep doing it every 5 hours, they will get rid of the bots eventually because the ones running the bots will start to lose money as you cannot make enough gold in 5 hours to cover the cost of the box. Once it stops being profitable the botting will stop.
What they really need to focus on is the pub dungeons in the first zones so the bot accoutns can't accumulate revenue.
They don't spend their own money on the game. They never have. They either use stolen accounts or stolen credit cards. Either way, they lose NOTHING when the accounts are banned.
You say that like there's an endless supply of both. If they can't make any money off of ESO, they will move their operations elsewhere because having bots running isn't free, either. It's not like there's some futuristic super computer with endless capacity running them or something. Every botting operation has a limit and if botting in ESO doesn't make enough profit, they will move to another game.
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PajakusSoul ShrivenIt`s immposible to play...
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Dunhilda✭✭✭Kenny_McCormick wrote: »some players use lowercase names..not just bots lol so its a thought but it has repercussions maybe make it so that if ONE of the toons on your account has a uppercase in their name they are safe even if they make lowercase names
Another bad suggestion, some bots simply bot resources and have a legit character they play, not all bots sell the gold to other players.1 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭Even if they keep doing it every 5 hours, they will get rid of the bots eventually because the ones running the bots will start to lose money as you cannot make enough gold in 5 hours to cover the cost of the box. Once it stops being profitable the botting will stop.
What they really need to focus on is the pub dungeons in the first zones so the bot accoutns can't accumulate revenue.
They don't spend their own money on the game. They never have. They either use stolen accounts or stolen credit cards. Either way, they lose NOTHING when the accounts are banned.
You say that like there's an endless supply of both. If they can't make any money off of ESO, they will move their operations elsewhere because having bots running isn't free, either. It's not like there's some futuristic super computer with endless capacity running them or something. Every botting operation has a limit and if botting in ESO doesn't make enough profit, they will move to another game.
Sort of. It's not that they *lose* money when accounts are banned. But it's very possible for them to decide that they can make more money by focusing their efforts on something other than ESO, if ZOS makes it difficult enough for them.
It's like the old joke about the 2 guys being chased by a tiger. And the one guy starts lacing up his shoes, and the other guy says "What are you doing? We can't outrun the tiger!" and the first guy says "I don't have to outrun the tiger, I only have to outrun you."Edited by Saerydoth on April 28, 2014 7:52AM1 -
Hexi✭✭✭✭✭Even if they keep doing it every 5 hours, they will get rid of the bots eventually because the ones running the bots will start to lose money as you cannot make enough gold in 5 hours to cover the cost of the box. Once it stops being profitable the botting will stop.
What they really need to focus on is the pub dungeons in the first zones so the bot accoutns can't accumulate revenue.
They don't spend their own money on the game. They never have. They either use stolen accounts or stolen credit cards. Either way, they lose NOTHING when the accounts are banned.
You say that like there's an endless supply of both. If they can't make any money off of ESO, they will move their operations elsewhere because having bots running isn't free, either. It's not like there's some futuristic super computer with endless capacity running them or something. Every botting operation has a limit and if botting in ESO doesn't make enough profit, they will move to another game.
Sort of. It's not that they *lose* money when accounts are banned. But it's very possible for them to decide that they can make more money by focusing their efforts on something other than ESO, if ZOS makes it difficult enough for them.
It's like the old joke about the 2 guys being chased by a tiger. And the one guy starts lacing up his shoes, and the other guy says "What are you doing? We can't outrun the tiger!" and the first guy says "I don't have to outrun the tiger, I only have to outrun you."
They do lose money. Every banned account is 60$ or whatever they could use to bot in another game that doesn't actively ban bots. The change isn't instant of course, but it will make the botters go somewhere else eventually, they would be insane not to.
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KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
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LOL, did you REALLY think about that at all before posting?WraithAzraiel wrote: »Or they could institute name restrictions that auto-ban characters with lowercase names until they can prove they're human via e-mail. Bots would be wiped out instantly game wide. And would stay out until the programs found a way around the name restrictions
Please pause to think and see just how silly that idea is and how totally trivial the change needed by the botters to get round it.
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KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
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Er, the botters mainly use stolen credit cards and sometime stolen accounts, but given the lack of widespread "my account got hacked" posts it seems that problem hasn't really begun to hit ZOS yet.They do lose money. Every banned account is 60$ or whatever they could use to bot in another game that doesn't actively ban bots. The change isn't instant of course, but it will make the botters go somewhere else eventually, they would be insane not to.
Also, I doubt there's an MMO in existence that doesn't ban/prevent bots, just some (like Turbine and Blizzard) are a damned sight better at it than others (like ZOS).
Edited by KerinKor on April 28, 2014 9:00AM0 -
Moroch✭✭Remember ZOS is a very new, inexperienced company. How good were Blizzard right at the start? Remember also that botters are using ever more evolved ways of making money. Blizzard has the experience to deal with is, ZOS does not."Go fiddling with any locks around here and we're going to have a real problem"0
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SK1TZ0FR3N1QSoul ShrivenKenny_McCormick wrote: »some players use lowercase names..not just bots lol so its a thought but it has repercussions maybe make it so that if ONE of the toons on your account has a uppercase in their name they are safe even if they make lowercase names
Another bad suggestion, some bots simply bot resources and have a legit character they play, not all bots sell the gold to other players.
You're kidding, right? A bot is a bot. I don't care if you're teleporting around farming resources while having a legit toon too... its still a bot, and it needs to be banned.
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Think zeni waiting for the 30 days trial to end for the bots before banning them :P . More $$$ for zeni less $$$ for botters :P (based on account subscription.)0
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Bansheedragon✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »Or they could institute name restrictions that auto-ban characters with lowercase names until they can prove they're human via e-mail. Bots would be wiped out instantly game wide. And would stay out until the programs found a way around the name restrictionsKenny_McCormick wrote: »some players use lowercase names..not just bots lol so its a thought but it has repercussions maybe make it so that if ONE of the toons on your account has a uppercase in their name they are safe even if they make lowercase names
This would only harm legitimate players.
Banning characters with lower case names, would only make bots have uppercase names instead.1 -
KerinKor✭✭✭✭✭
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WHAT?Another bad suggestion, some bots simply bot resources and have a legit character they play, not all bots sell the gold to other players.
I mean WHAT?
So in your world a 'legit' player is allowed to use a cheat as long as he doesn't sell gold.
WHAT?
You do this, right?
Edited by KerinKor on April 28, 2014 1:04PM2 -
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Er, the botters mainly use stolen credit cards and sometime stolen accounts, but given the lack of widespread "my account got hacked" posts it seems that problem hasn't really begun to hit ZOS yet.They do lose money. Every banned account is 60$ or whatever they could use to bot in another game that doesn't actively ban bots. The change isn't instant of course, but it will make the botters go somewhere else eventually, they would be insane not to.
Also, I doubt there's an MMO in existence that doesn't ban/prevent bots, just some (like Turbine and Blizzard) are a damned sight better at it than others (like ZOS).
You can steal a million credit cards, you're still working with a limited amount of money and it's not profitable to do so, they stop botting in a particular game.
Also, fun fact, Blizzard doesn't ban bots permanently on the spot. They only give 2 day suspensions, then 6, then permanent, so you might want to actually look into this stuff before making things up.
The reason botting isn't as visible in WoW for example, is because the dungeons are instanced are not public and they never could manage to prevent teleporting from node to node underground bots, either.
Edited by Hexi on April 28, 2014 1:08PM1 -
Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭ronins_ESO wrote: »Think zeni waiting for the 30 days trial to end for the bots before banning them :P . More $$$ for zeni less $$$ for botters :P (based on account subscription.)
What are you talking about? They already started doing mass sweeps and the op even said he wats it more often. As in they are doing it. Why would you post anything you just said?"The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba0 -
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Fun fact: I said Blizzard ban bots whcih you just confirmed, I didn't add the extra waffle you did to make up you ad hominem.
Also, fun fact, Blizzard doesn't ban bots permanently on the spot. They only give 2 day suspensions, then 6, then permanent, so you might want to actually look into this stuff before making things up.
Er, the botters mainly use stolen credit cards and sometime stolen accounts, but given the lack of widespread "my account got hacked" posts it seems that problem hasn't really begun to hit ZOS yet.They do lose money. Every banned account is 60$ or whatever they could use to bot in another game that doesn't actively ban bots. The change isn't instant of course, but it will make the botters go somewhere else eventually, they would be insane not to.
Also, I doubt there's an MMO in existence that doesn't ban/prevent bots, just some (like Turbine and Blizzard) are a damned sight better at it than others (like ZOS).
I made up nothing, you clearly have a reading comprehension problem.
Edited by KerinKor on April 28, 2014 1:22PM2 -
Socratic✭✭✭How are these people getting away with mass credit card fraud for all these accounts?
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Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭Stolen credit cards. They are out there. You can buy them in blocks of 5 to 5000. If they've not been reported stolen yet you just use em. Are you asking why are lawbreakers being able to break the law?"The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba0
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✭Well, clearly the card processor isn't doing their job or else those whose cards were stolen haven't realised it yet.0 -
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Er, okay, and those items come from ... where exactly, and how are they out of reach to RMT?Make gold bound to account and use items for trading.
Just my 2 cents
Please, just pause and think .. you're simply going from a gold-based economy to one based on barter, at the end of the day a trade needs some sort of 'currency', be that gold or peanuts.Edited by KerinKor on April 28, 2014 1:42PM0
