zelaminator wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Yeah it doesn't make sense that a vampire would sneak anyway. And it makes NB too quick. That passive should probably just tweak sprint speed/cost instead.

Don't mess with my build make the animations/personalities work, but keep your hands off my movement speed

Merforum wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

If they got rid of that passive, do you know how many PvP players will come on these forums and complain in a billion topics, about how "vampire is useless" or some other drivel, after having their cheese melted?

Please don't attract them.

I already see them. They are the same ones who were whining about the skill cost increase and losing 10% mag regen when they revamped. There were 100 threads about REMOVE/CURE VAMP cause they ruined it. Then people realized the passives were OP for NB and everyone stopped for a while. Now it is, NB needs that to be viable.

Vevvev wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

I stage 4 when it first came out for me and my brother to bypass every mob to do daily pledges. There were very few people who didn't complain about the revamp and some still do. I think they pretended it wasn't the 10% regen but everyone knows that was why it was on most toons and why they cured after revamp. But me, you and I can't think of anyone else on forum that actually said revamp is fine, even great for some things. Then some whined enough to get mist nerfed. Now they are whining about undeath, but I digress.

I guess this thread is about sneak animation but since vampires don't sneak, rather since they are supposed to only come out at night there is usually shadows and they create mist but walk standing straight up, so the animation seem accurate in that. But like I said as far as lore and making NB more powerful, that passive should be sprint speed/cost NOT sneak stuff. The level 2 passive seems silly too getting w/s damage for coming out of sneak/inv/mist, that should be if you use a vamp ability you get it.

Oh, I hate the vampire rework and find it an absolute mess of poorly thought out ideas, but I learned how to exploit it's shortcomings and use it. I am calling for vampire abilities like Vampiric Drain and Mesmerize to be changed for the better, but the one thing I believe the devs did right is the passives. Sneaking, more resilience, and invisibility are all tools of the TES vampire and I believe the sneak running and dark powers are immersive unlike the OP.

The regeneration passive imo is quite trivial in the end and the reason it was so good was the passive that removed the health recovery detriment at stage 2, but what many people forget thanks to rose colored glasses is that stage 2 had a painful 15% bonus flame damage debuff on it. Also another reason for the complaining that you assume is due to the loss of the recovery passive is actually the opposite with the addition of the non-vampire cost increase. The loss of the recovery passive is fine since the bonus 300 spell damage when I leave mistform is actually really good, especially since it boosts my heals going out of mistform as a Dragonknight in PvP so I can stay in the fight. The non-vampire cost increase means that no matter how hard you try, or how low of a stage you go, you are punished for picking vampire. Want to be a healer? Well now your sustain is worse than if you were a mortal. Want to be a tank but built 60k+ health and your resource pools are small? Too bad, you're a vampire and you better have Introspection, chug potions, or heavy attack often. Wanna DPS in a dungeon, but need the healing from the healer? Too bad, for switching to regular skills to be healed by others you're hit with a sustain nerf and your spammable that lets you be healed is outclassed by literally everything else. Sucks even more if you're a stamina build who can't even use it.