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Reflective Scales changes aka Zenimax'es strive for Class Identity
Chevaliemew
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What were Dragonknights known for?
Class DOTs? Chains? Being best tank option? Something iconic. What could that be?
That may be highly subjective but... (here is my turn). The only reason I made my Dragonknight (2nd toon) was ability to reflect Meteors. Good reason enough? For me it was worth it. Welp, I had fun till... TG patch. Anyways, my preferencial way of playing was always range. Magica Sorceror, and Magica Nightblade (my main). To be fair I was forced to play range with Magica Nightblade after DB patch since it was just more effecient to play. You can kill pugs with anything, anything really, but if you want to stay alive facing an equal opponent, you need to adapt.
That is the objective part so you know. Most complaints came from Sorcerers even tho the actual victim was the Magica Nightblade. Since Homestead the only reflectable skill from Magica Sorcerer's kit was Crystal Fragment. Crushing Shock was viable spammable and all you had to do was hit a frag at perfect moment. Magica Nightblade on the other hand was somewhat deleted without Concealed Weapons, but due to mobility nerfs (no more DOT/Snares removal on cloak), range option was the way.
Even though I mained Magica Nightblade, I was okay with the way reflect worked. That was a mechanic, that I was accepting to use and face in the Cyrodill. Not at a single point of my playtime I have made a complaint. But there are also players, who doesn't respect the original class design. Why not? Was the skill actually overperforming?
What you should really take a look at, is the fact that Zenimax removed the mechanic that was tied to the class since the very launch. Make it reflect less, reduce duration, increase the cost, apply additional conditions, whatever. Just do not remove the mechanic in favour of straight out value. Is there a reason to slot it? Is there any fun in usage? Does it have a way to suprise the enemy? Does apply high risk/high reward scheme? The answer is No. You do press the skill and bam for 6 seconds you get 50% damage reduction from projectiles. It sounds sooo fuun. Are we degrading ESO to Skyrim where all we have are values and only way to get dynamic gameplay is through the mods?
Would you like to see Reflect mechanic reunited once again with almighty Dragonknight class?
As usual, sorry for potato English.
Class DOTs? Chains? Being best tank option? Something iconic. What could that be?
That may be highly subjective but... (here is my turn). The only reason I made my Dragonknight (2nd toon) was ability to reflect Meteors. Good reason enough? For me it was worth it. Welp, I had fun till... TG patch. Anyways, my preferencial way of playing was always range. Magica Sorceror, and Magica Nightblade (my main). To be fair I was forced to play range with Magica Nightblade after DB patch since it was just more effecient to play. You can kill pugs with anything, anything really, but if you want to stay alive facing an equal opponent, you need to adapt.
That is the objective part so you know. Most complaints came from Sorcerers even tho the actual victim was the Magica Nightblade. Since Homestead the only reflectable skill from Magica Sorcerer's kit was Crystal Fragment. Crushing Shock was viable spammable and all you had to do was hit a frag at perfect moment. Magica Nightblade on the other hand was somewhat deleted without Concealed Weapons, but due to mobility nerfs (no more DOT/Snares removal on cloak), range option was the way.
Even though I mained Magica Nightblade, I was okay with the way reflect worked. That was a mechanic, that I was accepting to use and face in the Cyrodill. Not at a single point of my playtime I have made a complaint. But there are also players, who doesn't respect the original class design. Why not? Was the skill actually overperforming?
What you should really take a look at, is the fact that Zenimax removed the mechanic that was tied to the class since the very launch. Make it reflect less, reduce duration, increase the cost, apply additional conditions, whatever. Just do not remove the mechanic in favour of straight out value. Is there a reason to slot it? Is there any fun in usage? Does it have a way to suprise the enemy? Does apply high risk/high reward scheme? The answer is No. You do press the skill and bam for 6 seconds you get 50% damage reduction from projectiles. It sounds sooo fuun. Are we degrading ESO to Skyrim where all we have are values and only way to get dynamic gameplay is through the mods?
Would you like to see Reflect mechanic reunited once again with almighty Dragonknight class?
As usual, sorry for potato English.
Less talking, more raiding
Reflective Scales changes aka Zenimax'es strive for Class Identity 65 votes
Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles again
84%
55 votes
No, I prefer Protective Scales providing flat values as they are
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Volktair✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againGood old dk...
Can we ad the leap on tower ? Was really fun to do tooEdited by Volktair on May 26, 2020 5:38PM2 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againBack when the change was on PTS I suggested that they should have Reflective Scales work in a similar fashion to Sorc shields etc. A short time window during which all projectiles get relfected if the timing is right.
This design approach would still be useful to DKs and reward skill while not being as oppressive as the old design while not being as useless as the current projectile damage mitigation.
It can also easily be balanced through an adjustment of its magicka cost, thus limiting the amount of times it can be casted in quick succession.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
OlumoGarbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I prefer Protective Scales providing flat values as they areWings need a buff, but reversing wing change would make magblades even more useless then they are right now.
For example the morph protective scales could give you min expedition, when hit by a projectile for 4 secs. This would give Magdk a reason to slot wings over Race against time, which gives 3 bonuses while wings only give 2 bonuses.class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againOlumoGarbag wrote: »Wings need a buff, but reversing wing change would make magblades even more useless then they are right now.
How about the old idea to only reflect when beyound a certain range? So you can choose to either go toe to toe with a DK or live with the reflect. Would fit the melee class theme and wouldn't be a hard counter.4 -
finehair✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againIncrease the cost, reduce the duration of old wings. I remember i was able to use it quite well on my stamdk without worrying much about magicka, just need to time it right so those snipers would kill themselves with those lethal arrows.
Or just make a "scale fatigue" just like streak fatigue, so it gets increased cost if you try to spam it over and over again, even magdk will run out of magicka.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againI know some people hated their projectiles being sent back but DK doesn't feel like DK without it. If anything can they at least buff the current wings to mitigate more ranged damage? It's expensive and not very worthwhile keeping up right now.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
StShoot✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againI know some people hated their projectiles being sent back but DK doesn't feel like DK without it. If anything can they at least buff the current wings to mitigate more ranged damage? It's expensive and not very worthwhile keeping up right now.
just give it minor protection together with the curent effect and we are good to go0 -
Chevaliemew✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »Wings need a buff, but reversing wing change would make magblades even more useless then they are right now.
For example the morph protective scales could give you min expedition, when hit by a projectile for 4 secs. This would give Magdk a reason to slot wings over Race against time, which gives 3 bonuses while wings only give 2 bonuses.
I ve never understood why Strife even tho inferior was reflectable and Crushing Shock was not. Anyways, Magica Nighblade suppose to go melee, as it was done pre DB patch. Therefore problem will be solved as it never was problem pre DB to begin with. Yet, first Zenimax needs to make melee option for Magblade available and stay away from that full on healing Alchemist abomination paired with Argonian approach that is you best bet currently.Less talking, more raiding1 -
Azurya✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I prefer Protective Scales providing flat values as they aredon't have any dk among my 17 chars and I reallly don't care,
I wanna play, NOW1 -
Vicinia✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againOlumoGarbag wrote: »Wings need a buff, but reversing wing change would make magblades even more useless then they are right now.
For example the morph protective scales could give you min expedition, when hit by a projectile for 4 secs. This would give Magdk a reason to slot wings over Race against time, which gives 3 bonuses while wings only give 2 bonuses.
Maybe certain things should be an exception rather than removing reflection from DK wings. It was a unique feature that flowed with the class.
Perhaps funnel health/swallow soul shouldn't be classified as projectile. Any magblades can chime in for suggestions.
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Sleep724✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againSnipe spammers should be punished. Sorry mag blades
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Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againsnipe spamming is not okay, and as such bring the old wings back, as a reminder that it is not okay.
I like the idea of "mitigating" wings by coming into a melee range, but at the same time I would be quite fine if they just put them back completely to what they were before.
imagine reflecting stamcro blastbones.Shortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!""0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I prefer Protective Scales providing flat values as they areI don't actually support either scales, as I have never bothered slotting them on my DK. However, the mechanic of reflect was too OP in the game and shutting down entire playstyles was a terrible design.
Though the same can be said of negate, ball of lightning, cloak, shimmering shield, etc.
Hmm...If they mean that wings make you immune to ranged damage then that kind of thing would not be too much of an issue IMO considering other classes have skills that do that. Reflect on the other hand? Nope. Don't feel a need for that to return to the game again.0 -
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✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againWings reflecting was one of the coolest things in the game. Removing reflect & putting it on the SnB ultimate made me sad.NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.0 -
Artheiron✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againsorry for the necro,
just wanted to say that I returned to the game after years, saw reflective scales (and some other stuff that gave classes their identity) are gone, quit right away.
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finehair✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againMake it so it reflects projectiles from certain range. If the projectile is cast from 15m+ range it is reflected.
Below that it's either useless or nerfed version of what it is now0 -
DreadDaedroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againMke more skills not reflectable and bring back the second version of wings.0 -
vesselwiththepestle✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againthe whole class needs considerable rework. Horrible stamina spammable, let's not even talk about passives, what's with the cost of eruption, overall power level.... Yes, compared.with the defensive abilities of other classes scales.are weak right now. I actually prefer defensive stance over wings. I don't think right now scales are the most important issue of dragonknights... Still, give me my wings back, please.1000+ CP
PC/EU Ravenwatch Daggerfall Covenant
Give me my wings back!0 -
TwinLamps✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I would like Protective Scales to reflect incoming projectiles againI cant write what I think because there might be a chance I would end banned.
All I can say is wings of old were funAwake, but at what cost0