"Play How You want" -Really?

Audigy · April 2014

You can play how you want, however if the Elitist´s let you is a totally different thing.

In all MMO´s you have a tiny % who think that playing games professional min / maxing every detail is required. Those wont accept your choice but only their own.

PBpsy · April 2014

Mortelus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Mortelus wrote: »

I agree, you MUST take certain skills to open up the skill line, you cannot pick which one to open with. There are some things I want in assassination, but do not want to waste a point on the opening skill.

Also class racials direct you to picking a certain race for a certain class.

Now I understand why they did this... lore and everything. I also understand that the racials don't make that much difference at higher levels.

But they DO make a difference and I am one of the suckers that always feels forced when I see a blatant advantage of using one race over another because it is better suited for that role.

Also there is no Dark brotherhood or thieves guild (yet) and that's what I really wanted

You have many many points. but it isn't true that you need skills in the skill line to level it at least for some skills. If you use Sword +Shield You upgrade S+S ,If you put on light armor you level light armor. You can also level a skill by reading books until some skills open and finally you have respecs. Also most racials are not that powerful and you can use any class with any race effectively although not optimally.

Yep yep, I didn't think about the equipped gear raises.

But say if I wanted to only have teleport strike from assignation, I need to open with assassination strike or whatever it is called.

It would be preferable to let us pick any opening skill, seen as they seem not to be any more powerful the deeper you go into a line.

I agree with the racials, this is my own doing in feeling kind of pushed into creating a Bosmer for rangers, as they benefit from stam' regen' and stealth benefits. But at the same time I am also aware the gains are minimal.

You can take it fairly quickly by reading books If you are so incredibly against putting a lousy point into Assassin Blade.(What Kind of NightBlade would do such a crazy thing as to not have an Assassins Blade morph on one of the tabs? The horror!

). There is however some increase in power and utility for the more advanced skills but it's pretty subtle in the case of the NB. If I had leaching strike at level one I would pretty much be invincible for most of the starting areas. they give you the most useful skills for starting such as Assassins Blade/Strife/Cloak .but keeps the game balanced. The same seems to apply to the rest of the classes also.

Mortelus · April 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

Mortelus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Mortelus wrote: »

I agree, you MUST take certain skills to open up the skill line, you cannot pick which one to open with. There are some things I want in assassination, but do not want to waste a point on the opening skill.

Also class racials direct you to picking a certain race for a certain class.

Now I understand why they did this... lore and everything. I also understand that the racials don't make that much difference at higher levels.

But they DO make a difference and I am one of the suckers that always feels forced when I see a blatant advantage of using one race over another because it is better suited for that role.

Also there is no Dark brotherhood or thieves guild (yet) and that's what I really wanted

You have many many points. but it isn't true that you need skills in the skill line to level it at least for some skills. If you use Sword +Shield You upgrade S+S ,If you put on light armor you level light armor. You can also level a skill by reading books until some skills open and finally you have respecs. Also most racials are not that powerful and you can use any class with any race effectively although not optimally.

Yep yep, I didn't think about the equipped gear raises.

But say if I wanted to only have teleport strike from assignation, I need to open with assassination strike or whatever it is called.

It would be preferable to let us pick any opening skill, seen as they seem not to be any more powerful the deeper you go into a line.

I agree with the racials, this is my own doing in feeling kind of pushed into creating a Bosmer for rangers, as they benefit from stam' regen' and stealth benefits. But at the same time I am also aware the gains are minimal.

You can take it fairly quickly by reading books If you are so incredibly against putting a lousy point into Assassin Blade.(What Kind of NightBlade would do such a crazy thing as to not have an Assassins Blade morph on one of the tabs? The horror! )

The kind that uses bows.

But I know there are ways around it, and it really doesn't bother me that much, just would be a bonus if we could decide on different openers to each line.

PBpsy · April 2014

Mortelus wrote: »

The kind that uses bows.

But I know there are ways around it, and it really doesn't bother me that much, just would be a bonus if we could decide on different openers to each line.

The kind that uses bow should try assassins blade with impale morph and shouldn't jump in the middle of the mobs

Just kidding do whatever you want but that thing is amazing.

The skills being locked gives some kind of sense of progression and it's pretty fast only lvl 4 for the second skill which is 10 minutes in the game. It also keeps the starting zones balanced Imagine how easy things would be with destruction staff AOEs from the start.

Altheina · April 2014

Endless possibilities doesn't mean endless diversity.

How is it that endless possibilities can't create endless diversity where more skills are opened up for players to create their own combo skills?

If class skills were free for all we would rarely see anything other the shield bash vampire DKs in PvP.

Oh I see why you said about 'Endless possibilities doesn't mean endless diversity', well, going by your logic here would mean that most of us will play DK and turn ourselves into vampire so we can do shield bash in pvp, so how's that got to do with the current combat system has more diversity than my proposed combat system using the modified version of Skyrim combat system? The truth is that this scenario will never happen.

In addition, there won't even be DK class to begin with otherwise my point is moot...

PBpsy · April 2014

Altheina wrote: »

Endless possibilities doesn't mean endless diversity.

How is it that endless possibilities can't create endless diversity where more skills are opened up for players to create their own combo skills?

If class skills were free for all we would rarely see anything other the shield bash vampire DKs in PvP.

Oh I see why you said about 'Endless possibilities doesn't mean endless diversity', well, going by your logic here would mean that most of us will play DK and turn ourselves into vampire so we can do shield bash in pvp, so how's that got to do with the current combat system has more diversity than my proposed combat system using the modified version of Skyrim combat system? The truth is that this scenario will never happen.

In addition, there won't even be DK class to begin with otherwise my point is moot...

What I meant is that if everything was unlocked, people would tend to go towards the most optimal builds(Not necessarily shield bash). You can see this happening even now to some extent . By having some locked skills, you reduce to amount of people that would rapidly chose to change to the most popular build at the moment since most people aren't willing to level again. What I think that the class system does is reduce the risk of reaching some equilibrium where only a few popular builds are used by most and a small minority of players use interesting but non competitive builds. Then again I may be wrong.

MercyKilling · April 2014

I'm playing how I want.

For instance, I'm evenly distributing my stat points across all three stats.

I'm wearing a 3/2/2 mix of all three armors, varying only on my class choice and cherry picking the passives out of all three armor trees that I like.

My Nightblade, for instance is a dual wielding siphon build with nothing at all from the assassin branch. 3 medium pieces of armor, two light, two heavy. I have an alternate bow build, but I'm not sure I like that all too much. Currently at lvl 17 and rising.

Am I eenweencible? No, but I'm pretty damn effective, even in a mob of mobs. It's a fine line, I'll say that much...but when I pull off the dance without a hitch....it's a REALLY good feeling to see all the bodies around me.

My dunmer DK isn't a vampire and will NEVER be one....and I follow the same basic build as the above NB. 3/2/2 in heavy/med/light, evenly distributed stats and two handed/sword and board. Currently at lvl 27 and rising.

I have a lvl 17 redguard templar, sword and board all the way. Heavy/med/light. Cherry picking between the sun and healing trees. Kinda going for the traditional battle cleric type build with this one.

None of them are PvE gods, and I could care less about PvP. The only time I'm ever going into Cyrodiil, if at all, is to hunt down some skyshards should I need to.

So yeah....you CAN play how you want and still be effective. You won't steamroll stuff unless you play smart....at least -I- don't...but I kinda like it like that.

Bottom line? the TLDR of it all? If it's fun for you....don't let someone else tell you you're doing it wrong.

Jeddahwe · April 2014

Some one pointed out to me that this build is not playing to the class strength and hes pretty sure double bow will be really bad in VR content

KerinKor · April 2014

d0e1ow wrote: »

While I'm not commenting on your build, taking "Play How You Want" to mean "You can accomplish everything in the game in whatever bass ackwards way you can dream up." is probably really wrong.

Great reply, clear and concise.

KerinKor · April 2014

Jeddahwe wrote: »

Question: Will I have fun leveling and only to suffer a rude awaking at 50 with VR content and group dungeons with crap DPS and wipe fest in VR content?

Probably yes, but then that doesn't contradict the "play as you want" slogan, you can, the game allows it .. BUT .. ZOS can't make your fellow players accept a seriously gimped performance in a GROUP activity.

Even ignoring the elitists @Audigy mentioned, who will deride anyone not in BiS in all slots, many players will balk at carrying someone who isn't pulling their weight due to patently crass gearing/skilling choices.

In Solo "pay as you want" is always the rule, but when you join a group you have responsibilities to that others in the group not to be a dead-weight.

Alyrn_Grey · April 2014

Yes Play any way you want means that You can indeed build a character that sucks if you want to.

Knootewoot · April 2014

I play naked

PBpsy · April 2014

Knootewoot wrote: »

I play naked

You can't since TESO doesn't have a mod for that . Not to imply that I have knowledge of any game or games that may have or may not have mods for that.

Judge_Mental_One · April 2014

Haven't looked at your build, but I am playing a double bow DK atm and I think it does quite well. I am not into vet content yet so will have to wait and see if it can hold its own in pure dps terms, but its not completely squishy which seems important in this game.

zaria · April 2014

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Yes and let's not even talk about the mess that was Oblivion's leveling system

There was nothing wrong with having to find somewhere safe to sleep every time you levelled.

Not to mention having to be careful what you did or you'd level the wrong bloody skills.

Going up a level when you didn't want to because you chose to walk somewhere instead of fast travelling and increasing stamina .... oh the joy I felt....

Multiple reason why it worked well in Morrowind and badly in Oblivion.
Morrowind had much more skills making it easier to get +5 in relevant attributes.
You had unlimited training and could even cast an debuff and train skills you had leveled to 100 for the +5.
However this was pretty pointless as Morrowind was very easy at higher levels, Oblivion became harder at higher levels.

However an MMO has to be balanced and Oblivion was actually pretty balanced outside of stacking weakness to magic.

Knootewoot · April 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

I play naked

You can't since TESO doesn't have a mod for that . Not to imply that I have knowledge of any game or games that may have or may not have mods for that.

I wasn't talking about my ingame character :P

PBpsy · April 2014

Knootewoot wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

I play naked

You can't since TESO doesn't have a mod for that . Not to imply that I have knowledge of any game or games that may have or may not have mods for that.

I wasn't talking about my ingame character :P

Are you implying that some people actually wear clothes while playing PC games?
What a strange idea.

Gedalya · April 2014

d0e1ow wrote: »

While I'm not commenting on your build, taking "Play How You Want" to mean "You can accomplish everything in the game in whatever bass ackwards way you can dream up." is probably really wrong.

Actually, it is wrong.

So, sure, do w/e you want. Play how you want. Understand though that YMMV.

Also, perhaps look up advertising in the dictionary.

Lulz... Flame on! Also your perspicacity is appalling.

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Alyrn_Grey · April 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

I play naked

You can't since TESO doesn't have a mod for that . Not to imply that I have knowledge of any game or games that may have or may not have mods for that.

He didn't say his character played naked. He said that he played naked.

7788b14_ESO · April 2014

Just because your build may or may not be currently optimal for end game doesn't reflect the changes to end game by the time you get there. Have fun with what you got now and adapt and overcome in the future.

jircris11 · April 2014

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

Just because your build may or may not be currently optimal for end game doesn't reflect the changes to end game by the time you get there. Have fun with what you got now and adapt and overcome in the future.

I agree with thism and honestly in every mmo i play i end up making my own build..i dont follow a meta. Here is an example GW2 i play a D/P thief (dagger/pistol) and i build her vit and crit, i don't hit hard normally but if i crit you from behind well...lets just say i one shot people in pvp. makes it quite funny and i have the HP to at least kill one or two people when i encounter a group. My point is as the OP said have fun with the game, if somethign does not work for you then try something else. If you MUST reset your skills ask a guild member to go to the town where the reset shrines are and travel to them.