Pyandonea

amanes · August 2021

I think the probability of a Pyandonea chapter is pretty high if you think that the most lore for maormer we got it from ESO. If it ever happened it could bring a new playable race to the Elder Scrolls series since TES:Morrowind and a lot more lore for the maormer.

What you all think? Would you like to visit Pyandonea with their immortal wizzard king? If not why?

Please don't put the excuse that it would never happened because of the Aldmeri Dominion and how can a maormer character react to their land since they are in constant war or something like that. If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

That is all.

16BitForestCat · August 2021

Some months ago, ZOS sent out a player survey that asked if players would be interested in new playable races. I remember people who took the survey flipping out because it said Maormer specifically.

Edit to add this link: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ylahizu_the_Magnificent
In Blackwood, there's a random NPC who can turn your character into a Maormer (among other things) for ten minutes. That whole time, you're running around casting your skills and doing all playable animations as a Maormer.

I'd like to go to Pyandonea, but I'm betting that if not that, at the very least, the Maormer RACE is coming to a Crown store near you....

(Okay, the last bit is me kinda joking around about the Crown store and all the monetization, but only KINDA joking...I am definitely not saying it's confirmed because nothing is guaranteed, especially with ZOS. But looking at the trends of the past with this game and how strongly ZOS hints in-game at future content before it's actually announced, it seems to suggest that ZOS is looking at the financial and gameplay viability of it.)

colossalvoids · August 2021

Yeah, after maomer transmog it gives impression that something is brewing.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · August 2021

amanes wrote: »

If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

A necromancer nord looks no different from any other nord and vampirism is able to be hidden. A maormer is a maormer.

zaria · August 2021

16BitForestCat wrote: »

Some months ago, ZOS sent out a player survey that asked if players would be interested in new playable races. I remember people who took the survey flipping out because it said Maormer specifically.

In Blackwood, there's a random NPC who can turn your character into a Maormer (among other things) for ten minutes. That whole time, you're running around casting your skills and doing all playable animations as a Maormer.

I'd like to go to Pyandonea, but I'm betting that if not that, at the very least, the Maormer RACE is coming to a Crown store near you....

Never ran into this and has done all the quests and stuff I found.
Du you have more info.

BoraxFlux · August 2021

Definitely would like to play a member of the Maormer race, also interested to experience their background. I first saw the Maormer in Auridon near Vulkhel guard, they are a pretty one dimensional enemy there, despite having an intriguing past and conquesting sea-farer life.

amanes · August 2021

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

A necromancer nord looks no different from any other nord and vampirism is able to be hidden. A maormer is a maormer.

Is that what you understood from my sentence? That it is about appearance?

Please tell me that you are just joking or mocking me. It would make me very sad if people are really so close minded.

Ghanima_Atreides · August 2021

Although...the player can't actually hide their vampirism (which has been asked for many times).

Honestly, I very much doubt they'll go outside the borders of Tamriel until they've filled in what remains of the map; and even then, there are more likely places like certain planes of Oblivion. Still hoping for Apocrypha!

Finedaible · August 2021

I'd be interested. As you pointed out however, it would be awkward if the player's race were not at the very least acknowledged/addressed when interacting with Summerset npcs given the history of strife between the Altmer and Pyandonean people. There is already a pair of allied Maomer within the ranks of the Dragonguard in Southern Elsweyr so it's plausible, if a bit unusual.

On a side note, I'd be very much interested in seeing the coral kingdom of Thras as well. The only descriptions of the home of the Sloads we have is based on a few obscure texts which mostly describe their vile necromantic practices. There is a lot of untapped potential for content there.

SeaGtGruff · August 2021

AFAIK, players have been able to change their appearance into goblins and skeletons since the base game, yet they still can't create characters who are goblins and skeletons all the time. Why should we believe that being temporarily turned into a Maomer in Blackwood is an indication that the Maomer are coming to ESO as a playable race?

NotaDaedraWorshipper · August 2021

amanes wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

A necromancer nord looks no different from any other nord and vampirism is able to be hidden. A maormer is a maormer.

Is that what you understood from my sentence? That it is about appearance?

Please tell me that you are just joking or mocking me. It would make me very sad if people are really so close minded.

You said not to use that excuse to why not a maormer character would make sense, but it does. One is a nord, the other is a race that is hated by many and hates them back.

Weirdly enough I'd be fine with maormer skin or polymorph, but no a playable race.

As for Pyandonea I'm indifferent. Would it be interesting to see? Yes, but there's still a lot of Tamriel missing. I also think I remember Todd Howard or some ESO dev saying it's unlikely they'll ever go outside Tamriel.

16BitForestCat · August 2021

zaria wrote: »

16BitForestCat wrote: »

In Blackwood, there's a random NPC who can turn your character into a Maormer (among other things) for ten minutes. That whole time, you're running around casting your skills and doing all playable animations as a Maormer

Never ran into this and has done all the quests and stuff I found.
Du you have more info.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ylahizu_the_Magnificent

(The list on the wiki is not quite complete--I've gotten a Lost Spirit from the third option that was a ghost horse before. (EDIT: Disregard, the Lost Spirit link is working again!) I've run into Ylahizu A LOT. I believe your Goblin form can be either male or female as well, which makes me suspect we might get that as a playable race as well someday.)

He shares spawn points on the main roads around Blackwood with other randomly-appearing NPC characters, like the ghost hunter, the squirrel lady, the Dunmer couple making a wedding picture, and the over-eager fanboy. I usually run into him/them when I'm moving along the road from a wayshrine to a world boss. Sometimes he bugs out and you hear him call out to you, but you don't see him and can't interact with him.

By the way, the "gender" of your character doesn't matter. My character uses the female model and has been turned into both male and female Maormer models. Be aware that when this happens, your character's appearance changes to whatever armor they have equipped. The first time, I didn't realize I was a Maormer until about five minutes in, when I went into my menu and took off my face-covering helmet (which usually doesn't show because my character's normal appearance is to wear a costume that doesn't have head gear.)

16BitForestCat · August 2021

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

AFAIK, players have been able to change their appearance into goblins and skeletons since the base game, yet they still can't create characters who are goblins and skeletons all the time. Why should we believe that being temporarily turned into a Maomer in Blackwood is an indication that the Maomer are coming to ESO as a playable race?

ZOS specifically asking if players would be interested in playing as a Maormer on their survey, only a few months before releasing new content where you get to "preview play" as a Maormer, seems to point to that they're considering it. It makes perfect sense to me--we're getting a bit bogged down with newer classes and skill lines that the devs can't even balance. ZOS needs SOMETHING to sell new major content, and, unfortunately, players have come to expect that buying a Chapter means they're going to get something big besides the new zone itself. Plus, Fashion Scrolls is huge business for ZOS. People have been begging to play as Maormer and even Goblins since day one; one dev on a non-ESO Live stream a few years ago mentioned that they were tracking and surprised by how many people kept and used the Shadowsilk Gem to RP as Goblins. New races would be a very logical thing for ZOS to offer to push sales. This has likely been in discussion for years, and I would not be surprised if they're now testing the waters (pun intended) to see how players react to finally being Maormer, if only briefly. A buyable Maormer race might never happen--HOW much stuff has been datamined over the years that has yet to be released, or was removed due to to bugs and never came back?--but ZOS has to make their money, which means they'll consider every angle they can think of.

amanes · August 2021

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

A necromancer nord looks no different from any other nord and vampirism is able to be hidden. A maormer is a maormer.

Is that what you understood from my sentence? That it is about appearance?

Please tell me that you are just joking or mocking me. It would make me very sad if people are really so close minded.

You said not to use that excuse to why not a maormer character would make sense, but it does. One is a nord, the other is a race that is hated by many and hates them back.

Weirdly enough I'd be fine with maormer skin or polymorph, but no a playable race.

As for Pyandonea I'm indifferent. Would it be interesting to see? Yes, but there's still a lot of Tamriel missing. I also think I remember Todd Howard or some ESO dev saying it's unlikely they'll ever go outside Tamriel.

You do know that Altmer are not being look with a friendly eye by a lot of people and the EP is made from 3 races that hate each other. If your point is you can't play the maormer because a lot of people hate them then a lot of the current races wouldn't be playable.

When I gave the example of the vampire necromanser nord I was pointing that a lot of races don't like nords(and thanks to the 3 banner war some are only thinking them as enemies), a lot of people(almost everybody) don't like vampires and don't give me that glamor [snip] it doesn't exist in game while a lot of people are asking for it and a lot of people don't like necromansers including your very own companion Bastian Hallix.

All of your points that a hatefull race can't be played in game are false because it already happens and if you are going to say that not all nords,argonians etc. agree with the EP then that also is true for the maormer and the kingdom of Pyandonea.

By that way what makes you think that everyone hate maormer. Altmer and Bosmer sure,some of the khajiit have diplomatic agreements with them and I can't recall an event that would make the Saxhleel hate them, if you know please inform me.

Now if you tell that you don't want a maormer just because you don't like them I would accept it but you are pointing to lore/immersion reason. I would like to remind you that in TES:Morrowind you can be an Argonian nerevarine,in TES:Skyrim an Altmer dragonborn and it didn't prevent from playing the game for lore reason/immersion.

My whole point is your arguments are weak at best,hypocritical at worst.

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adriant1978 · August 2021

16BitForestCat wrote: »

ZOS specifically asking if players would be interested in playing as a Maormer on their survey

What survey is/was this?

SeaGtGruff · August 2021

I haven't seen that survey you're referring to, so I xan't comment on that specifically-- although I have to wonder whether that question might gave been intended to give the playerbase a choice of what they would enjoy getting turned into in Blackwood.

As for datamining, I think sometimes people let themselves get carried away by stuff-- like the time a couple of years ago that someone "datamined" a sword-and-rune icon and convinced a bunch if people that it might indicate that ZOS was going to add a new skill line to the game, despite the fact that the icon which was "datamined" has been actively used within the game for years (since the game's creation?) as the menu icon for "skills."

People tend to see what they want to see, and to draw the conclusions they want to draw. Other people can be looking at the exact same thing and see something different and draw a different conclusion. And ever shall it be so.

Ratzkifal · August 2021

amanes wrote: »

I think the probability of a Pyandonea chapter is pretty high if you think that the most lore for maormer we got it from ESO. If it ever happened it could bring a new playable race to the Elder Scrolls series since TES:Morrowind and a lot more lore for the maormer.

What you all think? Would you like to visit Pyandonea with their immortal wizzard king? If not why?

Please don't put the excuse that it would never happened because of the Aldmeri Dominion and how can a maormer character react to their land since they are in constant war or something like that. If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

That is all.

Only that nobody can tell you are a necromancer just from looking at your face and vampires either use magic or drink enough blood to not get recognized as vampires. If you want to tell me that a Maormer can do that too, then I am going to tell you that your character already is a Maormer and just put on a disguise!

If you want to be a Maormer, choose all the white options on an Altmer, pick the oracles eyes cosmetic and use the Maormer Fish skin.

I want to see Pyandonea too, but I do not want Maormer to be a playable race outside of cosmetic choices enabling you to look like a Maormer.
Besides, adding more races doesn't increase the replay factor of the game at all while new classes and skill lines do. The 10 classes are already messy and we do not need an 11th to make it more messy.

amanes · August 2021

Ratzkifal wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

I think the probability of a Pyandonea chapter is pretty high if you think that the most lore for maormer we got it from ESO. If it ever happened it could bring a new playable race to the Elder Scrolls series since TES:Morrowind and a lot more lore for the maormer.

What you all think? Would you like to visit Pyandonea with their immortal wizzard king? If not why?

Please don't put the excuse that it would never happened because of the Aldmeri Dominion and how can a maormer character react to their land since they are in constant war or something like that. If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

That is all.

Only that nobody can tell you are a necromancer just from looking at your face and vampires either use magic or drink enough blood to not get recognized as vampires. If you want to tell me that a Maormer can do that too, then I am going to tell you that your character already is a Maormer and just put on a disguise!

If you want to be a Maormer, choose all the white options on an Altmer, pick the oracles eyes cosmetic and use the Maormer Fish skin.

I want to see Pyandonea too, but I do not want Maormer to be a playable race outside of cosmetic choices enabling you to look like a Maormer.
Besides, adding more races doesn't increase the replay factor of the game at all while new classes and skill lines do. The 10 classes are already messy and we do not need an 11th to make it more messy.

See answer above.

HappyTheCamper · August 2021

adriant1978 wrote: »

16BitForestCat wrote: »

ZOS specifically asking if players would be interested in playing as a Maormer on their survey

What survey is/was this?

I would also like to see the survey source. I just don’t see ESO being the Elder Scrolls game that decides to add a new race (since the beginning of Bethesda in the 90’s.)

16BitForestCat wrote: »

I'd like to go to Pyandonea, but I'm betting that if not that, at the very least, the Maormer RACE is coming to a Crown store near you....

It’s one thing to say the Maormer race is more likely to happen before the Pyandonea, but to claim that we’ll almost certainly get the race is silly. Again, this would be the first playable race ever added to an Elder Scrolls game since the early 90’s, and I don’t see it happening in the mmo. Maybe TES 6.

And I say all this as someone who loves Maormer stuff and would definitely like to see them be added!

Ratzkifal · August 2021

amanes wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

A necromancer nord looks no different from any other nord and vampirism is able to be hidden. A maormer is a maormer.

Is that what you understood from my sentence? That it is about appearance?

Please tell me that you are just joking or mocking me. It would make me very sad if people are really so close minded.

You said not to use that excuse to why not a maormer character would make sense, but it does. One is a nord, the other is a race that is hated by many and hates them back.

Weirdly enough I'd be fine with maormer skin or polymorph, but no a playable race.

As for Pyandonea I'm indifferent. Would it be interesting to see? Yes, but there's still a lot of Tamriel missing. I also think I remember Todd Howard or some ESO dev saying it's unlikely they'll ever go outside Tamriel.

You do know that Altmer are not being look with a friendly eye by a lot of people and the EP is made from 3 races that hate each other. If your point is you can't play the maormer because a lot of people hate them then a lot of the current races wouldn't be playable.

When I gave the example of the vampire necromanser nord I was pointing that a lot of races don't like nords(and thanks to the 3 banner war some are only thinking them as enemies), a lot of people(almost everybody) don't like vampires and don't give me that glamor [snip] it doesn't exist in game while a lot of people are asking for it and a lot of people don't like necromansers including your very own companion Bastian Hallix.

All of your points that a hatefull race can't be played in game are false because it already happens and if you are going to say that not all nords,argonians etc. agree with the EP then that also is true for the maormer and the kingdom of Pyandonea.

By that way what makes you think that everyone hate maormer. Altmer and Bosmer sure,some of the khajiit have diplomatic agreements with them and I can't recall an event that would make the Saxhleel hate them, if you know please inform me.

Now if you tell that you don't want a maormer just because you don't like them I would accept it but you are pointing to lore/immersion reason. I would like to remind you that in TES:Morrowind you can be an Argonian nerevarine,in TES:Skyrim an Altmer dragonborn and it didn't prevent from playing the game for lore reason/immersion.

My whole point is your arguments are weak at best,hypocritical at worst.

The relationship between Maormer and Altmer can be summarised as "kill on sight". Not even Argonians and Dunmer are that hostile towards each other! The only comparable relationship would be between Nords and Snowelves and we know how that went considering there are pretty much no Snowelves around anymore.

The issue with "not all X are like that" is that the other side doesn't care. Not all Maormer hate high elves and not all high elves hate Maormer, but a big majority does and that means not only would your character be hated by the majority of their new Dominion allies but also by the majority of their own people. You'd only be able to play as an outcast. Of course there is nothing wrong with playing an outcast, but when the people you are fighting for also hate your guts, there isn't really a point to the story. If ESO had more options for how quests can turn out and they redid the entire Dominion questline to include a plot about how the Dominion eventually accepts you among their ranks, then sure. But ZOS will not go through all that effort, even if they would make Maormer playable - and that would undermine the integrity of the story telling in this game further.

Also about your last point, there is nothing that says the Nerevarine has to be a Dunmer and nothing about the Dovahkiin being a Nord - meaning no matter your race choice, none of that goes against lore or immersion. Of course, looked at in isolation, neither would the Vestige being a Maormer, but the issue arises when the Vestige is the hereditary-enemy of the faction they are part of, because that would (or rather should) fundamentally change the story!
It's the same argument that is made against playable Dwemer. It would break the story on so many levels if they became playable, only that the Dwemer are one of the few races that make even less sense than Maormer. Even Ayleids have fewer things going against them being playable than Maormer do, assuming Maormer aren't faction locked to EP (since DC hates them as well).

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Ratzkifal · August 2021

amanes wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

I think the probability of a Pyandonea chapter is pretty high if you think that the most lore for maormer we got it from ESO. If it ever happened it could bring a new playable race to the Elder Scrolls series since TES:Morrowind and a lot more lore for the maormer.

What you all think? Would you like to visit Pyandonea with their immortal wizzard king? If not why?

Please don't put the excuse that it would never happened because of the Aldmeri Dominion and how can a maormer character react to their land since they are in constant war or something like that. If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

That is all.

Only that nobody can tell you are a necromancer just from looking at your face and vampires either use magic or drink enough blood to not get recognized as vampires. If you want to tell me that a Maormer can do that too, then I am going to tell you that your character already is a Maormer and just put on a disguise!

If you want to be a Maormer, choose all the white options on an Altmer, pick the oracles eyes cosmetic and use the Maormer Fish skin.

I want to see Pyandonea too, but I do not want Maormer to be a playable race outside of cosmetic choices enabling you to look like a Maormer.
Besides, adding more races doesn't increase the replay factor of the game at all while new classes and skill lines do. The 10 classes are already messy and we do not need an 11th to make it more messy.

See answer above.

I saw your answer above and it doesn't relate to what I said since you mostly went on about Maormer being "hated", which isn't my point, but rather the "glamor [snip]", which you haven't elaborated on why exactly it is "[snip]", since it is perfectly reasonable and actually does exist in the game. Have you ever used hypnotise on a merchant NPC as a stage 4 vampire? Yeah, it does exist and anything before stage 4 is seen by others as "being pale and sleep deprived".

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Chaos2088 · August 2021

At some point in the game we are going to go beyond Tamriel.

A Pyandonea chapter is most properly going to happen at some point in the future. Expanding the lore we already know about them as a people and the place itself. Chapter could contain Maormer race to play as part of the package. This is an MMO and new races are going to be a thing sooner or later....in the history of the elder scrolls games the early one's you couldn't play an Orc or Imperial then they became a thing...

It would be neat to play a Maormer, as we saw in Summerset not all of them are bad, also not all are apart of King Orgnum's army as the two in the Dragon guard sitting mindign their own business seem happy enough.

Zos are very good at leaving us hints at future content/what is coming next, maybe the bread crums are there already...

Also with the survey going out (which I would of loved to got btw ZOS wink wink) its more than likey they are thinking about adding new races at some point.

Ratzkifal · August 2021

Chaos2088 wrote: »

At some point in the game we are going to go beyond Tamriel.

A Pyandonea chapter is most properly going to happen at some point in the future. Expanding the lore we already know about them as a people and the place itself. Chapter could contain Maormer race to play as part of the package. This is an MMO and new races are going to be a thing sooner or later....in the history of the elder scrolls games the early one's you couldn't play an Orc or Imperial then they became a thing...

It would be neat to play a Maormer, as we saw in Summerset not all of them are bad, also not all are apart of King Orgnum's army as the two in the Dragon guard sitting mindign their own business seem happy enough.

Zos are very good at leaving us hints at future content/what is coming next, maybe the bread crums are there already...

Also with the survey going out (which I would of loved to got btw ZOS wink wink) its more than likey they are thinking about adding new races at some point.

It makes little sense to add new playable races from a business standpoint. The most important thing an update needs to bring is replayability to get people to continue playing. Adding a new race will make people make new characters at best and at worst it will cause people to race change. Neither really works as new content however, because races don't fundamentally change how you play the game (although it would be neat if they did).

A new class breathes fresh air into the game by letting you learn to play and master a new class and it changes old content by giving it a new angle to approach (think of how dungeons, trials, vDSA and vBRP are different with the Necro revives now). Same goes for new skill lines. A passive line like racial skills is mainly a cosmetic change and for cosmetic changes we have... cosmetics!

amanes · August 2021

The relationship between Maormer and Altmer can be summarised as "kill on sight". Not even Argonians and Dunmer are that hostile towards each other! The only comparable relationship would be between Nords and Snowelves and we know how that went considering there are pretty much no Snowelves around anymore.

The issue with "not all X are like that" is that the other side doesn't care. Not all Maormer hate high elves and not all high elves hate Maormer, but a big majority does and that means not only would your character be hated by the majority of their new Dominion allies but also by the majority of their own people. You'd only be able to play as an outcast. Of course there is nothing wrong with playing an outcast, but when the people you are fighting for also hate your guts, there isn't really a point to the story. If ESO had more options for how quests can turn out and they redid the entire Dominion questline to include a plot about how the Dominion eventually accepts you among their ranks, then sure. But ZOS will not go through all that effort, even if they would make Maormer playable - and that would undermine the integrity of the story telling in this game further.

Also about your last point, there is nothing that says the Nerevarine has to be a Dunmer and nothing about the Dovahkiin being a Nord - meaning no matter your race choice, none of that goes against lore or immersion. Of course, looked at in isolation, neither would the Vestige being a Maormer, but the issue arises when the Vestige is the hereditary-enemy of the faction they are part of, because that would (or rather should) fundamentally change the story!
It's the same argument that is made against playable Dwemer. It would break the story on so many levels if they became playable, only that the Dwemer are one of the few races that make even less sense than Maormer. Even Ayleids have fewer things going against them being playable than Maormer do, assuming Maormer aren't faction locked to EP (since DC hates them as well).[/quote]

My point with Nerevarine and Dragonborn was like yours that just because Nords(at the fourth era) hate and despise the Altmer doesn't prevent you playing one,even joining Ulfric Stormcloak's faction.

Also again just like you said not all Altmer hate the Maormer and vice versa and remember we are have the 3 banner war that makes a lote of races hostile to one another but it doesn't matter to the Vestige,he/she can go where ever he/she wants while supporting a hostile faction.

The maormer are one of the most solid races that can be added if ZOS ever want a new race also Dwemer would never happen because they are dead/transcend and I doupt they would be the one that would solve that mystery.

If they ever add them,then I imagine they would be like Imperial,meaning you can pick which faction you want to support.

Chaos2088 · August 2021

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Chaos2088 wrote: »

At some point in the game we are going to go beyond Tamriel.

A Pyandonea chapter is most properly going to happen at some point in the future. Expanding the lore we already know about them as a people and the place itself. Chapter could contain Maormer race to play as part of the package. This is an MMO and new races are going to be a thing sooner or later....in the history of the elder scrolls games the early one's you couldn't play an Orc or Imperial then they became a thing...

It would be neat to play a Maormer, as we saw in Summerset not all of them are bad, also not all are apart of King Orgnum's army as the two in the Dragon guard sitting mindign their own business seem happy enough.

Zos are very good at leaving us hints at future content/what is coming next, maybe the bread crums are there already...

Also with the survey going out (which I would of loved to got btw ZOS wink wink) its more than likey they are thinking about adding new races at some point.

It makes little sense to add new playable races from a business standpoint. The most important thing an update needs to bring is replayability to get people to continue playing. Adding a new race will make people make new characters at best and at worst it will cause people to race change. Neither really works as new content however, because races don't fundamentally change how you play the game (although it would be neat if they did).

A new class breathes fresh air into the game by letting you learn to play and master a new class and it changes old content by giving it a new angle to approach (think of how dungeons, trials, vDSA and vBRP are different with the Necro revives now). Same goes for new skill lines. A passive line like racial skills is mainly a cosmetic change and for cosmetic changes we have... cosmetics!

It makes perfect bussiness sense to lock a new race behind a chapter content, of course there would be more than just that to offer. Many people would by it simply to play that race. If you dont want to play that race you dont have to....

Also the game will have new classes as well at some point

Folkb · August 2021

How would playing a maomer work in places like summerset where you'd be basically KOS to the NPC's.

amanes · August 2021

Ratzkifal wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

amanes wrote: »

I think the probability of a Pyandonea chapter is pretty high if you think that the most lore for maormer we got it from ESO. If it ever happened it could bring a new playable race to the Elder Scrolls series since TES:Morrowind and a lot more lore for the maormer.

What you all think? Would you like to visit Pyandonea with their immortal wizzard king? If not why?

Please don't put the excuse that it would never happened because of the Aldmeri Dominion and how can a maormer character react to their land since they are in constant war or something like that. If that were true then I could never play a vampire nord necromancer in their zone also.

That is all.

Only that nobody can tell you are a necromancer just from looking at your face and vampires either use magic or drink enough blood to not get recognized as vampires. If you want to tell me that a Maormer can do that too, then I am going to tell you that your character already is a Maormer and just put on a disguise!

If you want to be a Maormer, choose all the white options on an Altmer, pick the oracles eyes cosmetic and use the Maormer Fish skin.

I want to see Pyandonea too, but I do not want Maormer to be a playable race outside of cosmetic choices enabling you to look like a Maormer.
Besides, adding more races doesn't increase the replay factor of the game at all while new classes and skill lines do. The 10 classes are already messy and we do not need an 11th to make it more messy.

See answer above.

I saw your answer above and it doesn't relate to what I said since you mostly went on about Maormer being "hated", which isn't my point, but rather the "glamor [snip]", which you haven't elaborated on why exactly it is "[snip]", since it is perfectly reasonable and actually does exist in the game. Have you ever used hypnotise on a merchant NPC as a stage 4 vampire? Yeah, it does exist and anything before stage 4 is seen by others as "being pale and sleep deprived".

I would love to have a glamor(the [snip] was an angry runt because I really want it) for stage 4 vamp but we don't have it and hypnotise is a different tool that I don't need to go in detail to tell you why. The whole argument that some people had(at least from the way I understood it) is we can't have the because of immersion reasons and I try to counter, that if immersion was a reason that a race,class,Polymorphs,mount etc. then a lot of the stuff that we currently have in game wouln't exist.

Pleast note that I don't think that the next chapter will be Pyandonea with a new race and class.In fact I really think for 2022 we will visit Hammerfell with a monk/battlemage(and if by a miracle a swordsaint) class and if not Hammerfell then Black Marsh but I doupt it.

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Chaos2088 · August 2021

Folkb wrote: »

How would playing a maomer work in places like summerset where you'd be basically KOS to the NPC's.

Just the same as Breton's, Orc's, Redguards, Dunmer, Argonian's, Nords, Imperials...who they are at war with I suppose.

Folkb · August 2021

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

How would playing a maomer work in places like summerset where you'd be basically KOS to the NPC's.

Just the same as Breton's, Orc's, Redguards, Dunmer, Argonian's, Nords, Imperials...who they are at war with I suppose.

Thats not the same. They aren't really at war with the races themselves. Its more like they are at war with the factions, granted these factions do contain the bulk of those races. But outliers easily exist where the races aren't kos. Having a maormer in summerset would be breaking lore and immersion in a huge way. Unless they wrote in some "magic" disguise for them.

Also being able to go into other lands as a different faction was more of a bandaid fix because people wanted to see other areas with one character. Canonically your character goes to another faction after coldharbor masked by meridias magic or some such thing during Cadwell silver and gold.

Chips_Ahoy · August 2021

16BitForestCat wrote: »

Some months ago, ZOS sent out a player survey that asked if players would be interested in new playable races. I remember people who took the survey flipping out because it said Maormer specifically.

another race of elves? it's just a skin.

why not something new?

we don't have enough with the ones we have?

why do people vote for more of the same?

Ratzkifal · August 2021

amanes wrote: »

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My point with Nerevarine and Dragonborn was like yours that just because Nords(at the fourth era) hate and despise the Altmer doesn't prevent you playing one,even joining Ulfric Stormcloak's faction.

Also again just like you said not all Altmer hate the Maormer and vice versa and remember we are have the 3 banner war that makes a lote of races hostile to one another but it doesn't matter to the Vestige,he/she can go where ever he/she wants while supporting a hostile faction.

The maormer are one of the most solid races that can be added if ZOS ever want a new race also Dwemer would never happen because they are dead/transcend and I doupt they would be the one that would solve that mystery.

If they ever add them,then I imagine they would be like Imperial,meaning you can pick which faction you want to support.

That is because the Nords don't hate all Altmer the way the Altmer and Maormer hate each other. Also past mistakes (yes, I consider letting Altmer join Ulfric's side a mistake) don't justify making more mistakes now. The RPG part of MMORPG is already barely present at all. ESO has already made enough mistakes when it comes to writing, the formation of the Ebonheart Pact being one of them for example.
The three-banners war is also not a race war like the one of Ysgramor against the Snow Elves was.
As soon as the first race beyond the base 10 is sold in the store, the floodgates will be opened and more will follow. At that point anything that is even in slight demand will be added to the game since it barely adds any workload to the Devs and is sure to make at least some money. Some will be perfectly fine (Goblin, Imga, Lilmothiit), but most will be an atrocity, since the races most in demand are also the most problematic - think playable Daedra, Snow Elves, Dwemer and Akaviri.

Finally, let me ask you one thing. Why? You want to play a Maormer? Why?
For roleplay? You can make very authentic Maormer with available cosmetics, so roleplay is definitely already possible.
For passives? Then maybe you should elaborate on what you think these passives should look like, because odds are the Devs will not cater to your personal preference when it comes to that. Also be prepared for people to call your new favorite race P2W.
What other reasons are there even? A new race does not add anything meaningful to player experience because classes, skills and weapons are the same as on any other race.