FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Disturbed_One wrote: »

Once again... why is the argument always "This other game does it this way... so ESO should to"? Why does ESO have to change to be like the other MMOs?

This game is already among the least "grindy" MMOs out there, unless you are a "gotta do it all, grind out the stickerbook and lead codex" type of person... and those are account achievements

Going to account wide achievements isn't going to stop you from "grinding Auridon 25 times", so I don't see the point of introducing a red herring like that.

Because those other games do it right?

What is "right" on something that is completely subjective?

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Disturbed_One wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Disturbed_One wrote: »

Once again... why is the argument always "This other game does it this way... so ESO should to"? Why does ESO have to change to be like the other MMOs?

This game is already among the least "grindy" MMOs out there, unless you are a "gotta do it all, grind out the stickerbook and lead codex" type of person... and those are account achievements

Going to account wide achievements isn't going to stop you from "grinding Auridon 25 times", so I don't see the point of introducing a red herring like that.

Because those other games do it right?

What is "right" on something that is completely subjective?

Likely nothing in your eyes. But clearly the ones suggesting the change felt it was right. What they are asking for may or may not be good, but rejecting it just because another game does something is just as bad as taking it just because another game does something.

I think ESO, as it is does it "right". A good mixture of account wide and character based things to do.

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How do "account wide achievements" reduce the "grind on leveling an alt"?

Unless you're talking about now having account wide skill points, so you don't have to do the zone quests again, or have to collect the skyshards for the skill points. That is a MASSIVE, ASTRONOMICAL change to the game, and to pass it off as "trivial" is a bold-faced lie.

Unless you're part of that very, very, very small group that "wants to have all the achievements, and show off having 46,000 achievement points" going to account wide achievements DOES NOTHING BUT ACCOMPLISH THAT.

I'm already on record as saying that there can be an "overall tab" on your achievements to show what your entire account would have, and you can flex on people your achievement point total because you had to swap characters when Necro's became the meta in end-game playing. It accomplishes the same goal as account-wide achievements, while still allowing for the replayability of other characters to show off titles, etc.

Account wide achievements by themselves would be a very small change, and if they do it, whatever, it won't make me quit. But read the posts, it's not going to reduce your grind, you'll still have to "run Auridon 25 times" to get the skill points. You'll still have to "collect the skyshards" to get your skill points (or buy them from the cash shop), you'll still have to level your horses (or buy it), run psijic line (or buy it), do your fighter's guild (or buy it)... do you see where I'm going?

You're asking for "account wide achievements" but the words that are being spoken are for "account wide (nearly) everything" so you can make a new alt, and have it be ready to go with 400 skill points, 60/60/60 riding, 9-trait crafter, level 10 psijic/mages/fighter's guild. That's not account wide achievements, that's a completely different request. And again, is a MASSIVE, ASTRONOMICAL change to the game. It would completely devalue the work and time that millions of players have put in over the last 7 years. I'm not saying there shouldn't be QoL changes. QoL changes are small things to make it easier to play. Multicraft, Transmutation, Group BoP trading, ESO has put a TON of these in the game over the last 7 years "to accomodate the new players and reduce grind" etc..

What about all the players who are in the RP scene, their character is lawful good... they now have the Assassin title available to them (because they have another character that roleplays as a member of the dark brotherhood). That would RUIN the game for them, and that group is among your most loyal base, buying costumes and other things from the crown store to fit their character.

and to those saying that ESO is

ESO is by far one of the most grindy games out there often using predatory practices (similar to the gambling industry) to increase player time in game

everything in the ESO cash shop is optional, there is no P2W, there's Pay for Convenience, Pay to Skip gameplay, yes, but absolutely no P2W. You can have a new character leveled and ready to go into trials in 6 hours of game time, I know somebody who did it. Your gear all transfers from other characters. Every game uses these practices, even freaking Candy Crush does it (and far worse than ESO IMO, because of who it's marketed to, ESO is a rated M game, adults can make their own decisions, what I do with my personal money as an adult is nobody's business but my own)

"4-5 on here." Sorry to burst your bubble, but you point to this community as an example? For one, there are Reddits, Twitter and Instagram accounts, Youtube channels, not to mention other communities, much nicer and more entertaining ways to engage in ESO discussions and sift through info imo.

you use hyperbole in your post, I'm allowed to as well. Thanks for mansplaining to me that "there are other communities" out there

Disturbed_One wrote: »

How do "account wide achievements" reduce the "grind on leveling an alt"?

Unless you're talking about now having account wide skill points, so you don't have to do the zone quests again, or have to collect the skyshards for the skill points. That is a MASSIVE, ASTRONOMICAL change to the game, and to pass it off as "trivial" is a bold-faced lie.

Unless you're part of that very, very, very small group that "wants to have all the achievements, and show off having 46,000 achievement points" going to account wide achievements DOES NOTHING BUT ACCOMPLISH THAT.

I'm already on record as saying that there can be an "overall tab" on your achievements to show what your entire account would have, and you can flex on people your achievement point total because you had to swap characters when Necro's became the meta in end-game playing. It accomplishes the same goal as account-wide achievements, while still allowing for the replayability of other characters to show off titles, etc.

Account wide achievements by themselves would be a very small change, and if they do it, whatever, it won't make me quit. But read the posts, it's not going to reduce your grind, you'll still have to "run Auridon 25 times" to get the skill points. You'll still have to "collect the skyshards" to get your skill points (or buy them from the cash shop), you'll still have to level your horses (or buy it), run psijic line (or buy it), do your fighter's guild (or buy it)... do you see where I'm going?

You're asking for "account wide achievements" but the words that are being spoken are for "account wide (nearly) everything" so you can make a new alt, and have it be ready to go with 400 skill points, 60/60/60 riding, 9-trait crafter, level 10 psijic/mages/fighter's guild. That's not account wide achievements, that's a completely different request. And again, is a MASSIVE, ASTRONOMICAL change to the game. It would completely devalue the work and time that millions of players have put in over the last 7 years. I'm not saying there shouldn't be QoL changes. QoL changes are small things to make it easier to play. Multicraft, Transmutation, Group BoP trading, ESO has put a TON of these in the game over the last 7 years "to accomodate the new players and reduce grind" etc..

What about all the players who are in the RP scene, their character is lawful good... they now have the Assassin title available to them (because they have another character that roleplays as a member of the dark brotherhood). That would RUIN the game for them, and that group is among your most loyal base, buying costumes and other things from the crown store to fit their character.

and to those saying that ESO is

ESO is by far one of the most grindy games out there often using predatory practices (similar to the gambling industry) to increase player time in game

everything in the ESO cash shop is optional, there is no P2W, there's Pay for Convenience, Pay to Skip gameplay, yes, but absolutely no P2W. You can have a new character leveled and ready to go into trials in 6 hours of game time, I know somebody who did it. Your gear all transfers from other characters. Every game uses these practices, even freaking Candy Crush does it (and far worse than ESO IMO, because of who it's marketed to, ESO is a rated M game, adults can make their own decisions, what I do with my personal money as an adult is nobody's business but my own)

"4-5 on here." Sorry to burst your bubble, but you point to this community as an example? For one, there are Reddits, Twitter and Instagram accounts, Youtube channels, not to mention other communities, much nicer and more entertaining ways to engage in ESO discussions and sift through info imo.

you use hyperbole in your post, I'm allowed to as well. Thanks for mansplaining to me that "there are other communities" out there

If you go back and read the original post. I never asked for a skill point change. I simply asked that the things that take real life months sometimes years to grind be account wide.

I don't really care for the skillpoints ot whatever, I'd just like account-wide achievements.