Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Sorc is not a brawler class.
If you catch a sorc off guard, you can easily burst them down and kill them while they're streaking away.
Since the skill cost ramps up, you can easily catch them if you have major exp.
You're not expected to catch them. Sorc is the most mobile class, and its good that different classes have their thing. (That said, it has shorter range than real gap-closers, and ramping cost).
Sorc escaping also involves lightning form for major exped, dodging and sprinting. And that takes two slots an a reasonable stam investment. Its not just streak.
techprince wrote: »You're not expected to catch them. Sorc is the most mobile class, and its good that different classes have their thing. (That said, it has shorter range than real gap-closers, and ramping cost).
Sorc escaping also involves lightning form for major exped, dodging and sprinting. And that takes two slots an a reasonable stam investment. Its not just streak.
Such a mobile class shouldnt have undodgeable unblockable AOE stun in the first place. They already are the MOST MOBILE CLASS.
techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Sorc is not a brawler class. They lack proper mitigation and require streak for it. Also streak's damage is not decent, It is like half of dizzy's damage.
If you catch a sorc off guard, you can easily burst them down and kill them while they're streaking away.
Since the skill cost ramps up, you can easily catch them if you have major exp.
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?
Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?
If someone uses streak and go beyond the oppenent that only means that they need to take more practice in the use of the skill.
Streak is the best tool to reset fights, streak away > dark conversion and you are good to restart the figh from scratch.
No other class can reset figths that way, not even NBs.
Ramping cost mean nothing if you can totally reset the fight.
Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't balance the game on the capabilities of 1/3 of the playerbase. What can be done on PC is mostly irrelevant if it cannot be done on console. So a PC players ability, with a mouse (not even all PC players use mouse either) is not relevant.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless. Sorc's other stun was already make useless by making it dodgeable. Sorcs would literally only be usefull to mages wrath spam enemies to get kills, and even then they'd still fail because even that can be dodged. The fact is, streak is no more powerful than the other unblockable, undodgeble stuns in the game.
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techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
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techprince wrote: »Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?
Petrify is single target and requires a target in the first place. Streak is AOE, doesnt require a target. Big difference.
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't balance the game on the capabilities of 1/3 of the playerbase. What can be done on PC is mostly irrelevant if it cannot be done on console. So a PC players ability, with a mouse (not even all PC players use mouse either) is not relevant.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless. Sorc's other stun was already make useless by making it dodgeable. Sorcs would literally only be usefull to mages wrath spam enemies to get kills, and even then they'd still fail because even that can be dodged. The fact is, streak is no more powerful than the other unblockable, undodgeble stuns in the game.
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Sorc's shouldn't have 2 stuns in the first place.
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
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if u cant break free in 1 second to prevent the frag, you should take a serious look at your reflexes
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless.
techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
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if u cant break free in 1 second to prevent the frag, you should take a serious look at your reflexes
It takes 1 GCD to break, it takes 1 GCD to throw frags. [snip]techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless.
Really? Useless? Like, nobody will pick streak if they make it blockable? Do you actually believe in what you say?
Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »