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Can we stop streak BS?
techprince
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Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
Edited by techprince on August 1, 2021 10:12PM 14
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✭✭✭✭You're not expected to catch them. Sorc is the most mobile class, and its good that different classes have their thing. (That said, it has shorter range than real gap-closers, and ramping cost).
Sorc escaping also involves lightning form for major exped, dodging and sprinting. And that takes two slots an a reasonable stam investment. Its not just streak.
Minalan owes me a beer.
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Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭Sorc is not a brawler class. They lack proper mitigation and require streak for it. Also streak's damage is not decent, It is like half of dizzy's damage.
If you catch a sorc off guard, you can easily burst them down and kill them while they're streaking away.
Since the skill cost ramps up, you can easily catch them if you have major exp.Edited by Viewsfrom6ix on August 1, 2021 10:41PM18 -
divnyi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Sorc is not a brawler class.
Every class can have brawlers. Its gear question.If you catch a sorc off guard, you can easily burst them down and kill them while they're streaking away.
Streak through you and your combo twice -> out of range for any chase skill.Since the skill cost ramps up, you can easily catch them if you have major exp.
(if they don't have major exp)4 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭You're not expected to catch them. Sorc is the most mobile class, and its good that different classes have their thing. (That said, it has shorter range than real gap-closers, and ramping cost).
Sorc escaping also involves lightning form for major exped, dodging and sprinting. And that takes two slots an a reasonable stam investment. Its not just streak.
Such a mobile class shouldnt have undodgeable unblockable AOE stun in the first place. They already are the MOST MOBILE CLASS.8 -
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✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »You're not expected to catch them. Sorc is the most mobile class, and its good that different classes have their thing. (That said, it has shorter range than real gap-closers, and ramping cost).
Sorc escaping also involves lightning form for major exped, dodging and sprinting. And that takes two slots an a reasonable stam investment. Its not just streak.
Such a mobile class shouldnt have undodgeable unblockable AOE stun in the first place. They already are the MOST MOBILE CLASS.
Oh so its the stun you don't like. In what instance? See its been a long time since I played Sorc, but I always preferred the bol morph, which didn't have a stun. Why? Because it just wasn't much use to me because stunning someone left me facing away from them, making it very difficult to combine with burst, especially when lag was involved. I just used dbos instead.
Now I do see it used effectively offensively as part of a ballgroup, but to be honest, if caught in front of one of those when they push, you'll be caught in any number of CCs, and the problem there was most likely your positioning. Streak just means you need to be a little further back from them.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Luede✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.14 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".2 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Sorc is not a brawler class. They lack proper mitigation and require streak for it. Also streak's damage is not decent, It is like half of dizzy's damage.
If you catch a sorc off guard, you can easily burst them down and kill them while they're streaking away.
Since the skill cost ramps up, you can easily catch them if you have major exp.
I disagree, they have the highest shields to absorb damage, you can still dodge roll, you can still block just like every other class.1 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.12 -
divnyi✭✭✭✭✭
✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
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✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
I'm sure they do. All of those skills after a stun when the player is behind them. Streak's stun is only useful when paired with frontloaded damage. Like dropping a meteor and curse, and then streaking. Streaking to stun first is never useful for damage combos unless you have an ally to follow up on the stun with a combo or you get really lucky and land directly on top of a player. Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless they have no stam to break free, and they'd have died even without streak anyways if that were the case. Leading a fight with streak, or using streak prior to a burst combo is mostly only done for defensive purposes, to shut down an opponents burst and find some relief in a fight. Not to start an attack combo. Streak is either ending an attack combo, or preventing an attack combo. Anything else is an anomaly.
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✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't balance the game on the capabilities of 1/3 of the playerbase. What can be done on PC is mostly irrelevant if it cannot be done on console. So a PC players ability, with a mouse (not even all PC players use mouse either) is not relevant.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless. Sorc's other stun was already make useless by making it dodgeable. Sorcs would literally only be usefull to mages wrath spam enemies to get kills, and even then they'd still fail because even that can be dodged. The fact is, streak is no more powerful than the other unblockable, undodgeble stuns in the game.
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✭✭✭✭✭The problem is, no-one in these nerf sorc threads actually want any balance. They just don't want sorcs to be viable at all for some reason. Today it is streak, last week it was shields, three years ago it was stun on frags, next week it will be crit surge or something even more ridiculous.17 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?10 -
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Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?
If someone uses streak and go beyond the oppenent that only means that they need to take more practice in the use of the skill.
Streak is the best tool to reset fights, streak away > dark conversion and you are good to restart the figh from scratch.
No other class can reset figths that way, not even NBs.
Ramping cost mean nothing if you can totally reset the fight.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?
If someone uses streak and go beyond the oppenent that only means that they need to take more practice in the use of the skill.
Streak is the best tool to reset fights, streak away > dark conversion and you are good to restart the figh from scratch.
No other class can reset figths that way, not even NBs.
Ramping cost mean nothing if you can totally reset the fight.
Not even nightblades? Shade would like a word. It's the ultimate reset tool since it can be placed out of sight completely and allows a nightbalde to entirely disappear. Not even saying it is OP, just that it absolutely is a better reset mechanic than streak, which still allows enemy players to land attacks on you while you are running away unable to defend yourself.9 -
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Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
How can someone still want streak nerfed is beyond my imagination.16 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?
Petrify is single target and requires a target in the first place. Streak is AOE, doesnt require a target. Big difference.1 -
techprince✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't balance the game on the capabilities of 1/3 of the playerbase. What can be done on PC is mostly irrelevant if it cannot be done on console. So a PC players ability, with a mouse (not even all PC players use mouse either) is not relevant.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless. Sorc's other stun was already make useless by making it dodgeable. Sorcs would literally only be usefull to mages wrath spam enemies to get kills, and even then they'd still fail because even that can be dodged. The fact is, streak is no more powerful than the other unblockable, undodgeble stuns in the game.
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Sorc's shouldn't have 2 stuns in the first place.1 -
Luede✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
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if u cant break free in 1 second to prevent the frag, you should take a serious look at your reflexes8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
Does petrify have a ramping cost?
Does petrify put you behind your opponent most of the time on cast?
Petrify is single target and requires a target in the first place. Streak is AOE, doesnt require a target. Big difference.
Yeah, big difference. If I use streak against three opponents, I can only burst one of them down if I am lucky and the other two are on CC immunity.
If I use petrify, I can burst the player down, and then petrify the next one and burst them down.
AOE CC is great, situationally. It is not great in the way this post, or the forums would make it seem. Most of a sorc's burst is single target. But, in order to use streak as the intiial stun for that, you literally have to teleport a ranged class into melee range and then single target an opponent. If it didn't AOE stun, you would teleport in and then fall over dead when all of the melee players, who do more damage against you already, pile on. Again, making blockable, or single target, would make it entirely useless, and would remove the ability to stun player reliably from sorcs. A capability that other classes already have right now, including AOE stuns that are unblockable and undodgeable.10 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't balance the game on the capabilities of 1/3 of the playerbase. What can be done on PC is mostly irrelevant if it cannot be done on console. So a PC players ability, with a mouse (not even all PC players use mouse either) is not relevant.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless. Sorc's other stun was already make useless by making it dodgeable. Sorcs would literally only be usefull to mages wrath spam enemies to get kills, and even then they'd still fail because even that can be dodged. The fact is, streak is no more powerful than the other unblockable, undodgeble stuns in the game.
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Sorc's shouldn't have 2 stuns in the first place.
Not really relevant since no-one runs two stuns at the same time anyways. And rune cage is already a useless skill, so calling it a stun is more of a joke than anything at this point.11 -
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✭✭✭Maybe streak should be setup up like cloak, everything breaks it.
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✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
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if u cant break free in 1 second to prevent the frag, you should take a serious look at your reflexes
It takes 1 GCD to break, it takes 1 GCD to throw frags. [snip]techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless.
Really? Useless? Like, nobody will pick streak if they make it blockable? Do you actually believe in what you say?
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✭✭✭✭✭techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
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if u cant break free in 1 second to prevent the frag, you should take a serious look at your reflexes
It takes 1 GCD to break, it takes 1 GCD to throw frags. [snip]techprince wrote: »techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?techprince wrote: »Where is the counter to AOE undogable/unblockable stun which also gap closes AND does decent damage? Why would you make such an overloaded skill? Like Rune Cage wasnt enough? What happened to "Redundancy"? How do you expect us to catch them when they can streak through immobilizations as well?
most stam sorc use BOL, mag Sorcs are more mixed (BOL / Streak), but only have single target dmg. If u get stunned, u can normaly break free + dodge role/block, before the next ability hits u. This stun is easy to handle unlike many other CCs.
Unavoidable AOE stun is easy to handle? Its "unavoidable".
It's an easier stun to counter than Petrify, or fear. Since, in most instances, a sorc stunning you with streak is now behind you and unable to follow up their stun with attacks. Whereas, an unblockable, unavoidable stun from both a DK and a NB is immediately followed by attacks because they are still facing you when they stun you.
[snip] I know both stamsorcs and magsorcs who have no problem to do follow-up attack while person is still breaking from stun. In case of stamsorcs, even with crystal precast + vate medium -> executioner, all in stun frame.
Steak more often than not puts you behind your target, which makes following with a combo nearly impossible, unless
...unless they play on PC with mouse and do 180 turn instantly. [snip]
And in magsorc you don't even need to land perfectly, you need 2 GCD of precast, streak, 180 turn into frags.
Making streak blockable is the only correct solution. Especially now, when second morph is gutted.
Making streak blockable would make streak useless.
Really? Useless? Like, nobody will pick streak if they make it blockable? Do you actually believe in what you say?
Yeah, I would wager that making streak blockable would make players drop streak altogether if they were using it for a stun.
Having a stun that may not even work, that also puts you directly into the range of your opponent, on a ranged class, would make for a fairly useless stun. On top of having a ramping cost, putting you behind your target, getting hung up on all kinds of obstacles, still leaving you vulnerable to attack from players on CC immunity.
And yeah, it takes nearly an entire GCD to turn around and target a player you just stunned. Most of the time they have already broken free. And if they were running the CP slottable, they would have instantly broken free. Sorcs are only RELIABLY landing a combo if they load it first and then stun to finish. And all of that preload, except Curse, can be dodged. And even then, you can counter stun, because the moment curse hits, any good player knows that they have 3 seconds before they are stunned.
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✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »
It has ramping cost unlike cloak which is a one button get out of jail free card. A streaking sorc can be burst down during its streak animation and honestly is the easiest target in the gameEdited by PhoenixGrey on August 2, 2021 7:28PM10