hungryhippos wrote: »

I was under the assumption that The Elder Scrolls online would be similar to a normal elder scrolls single player game but with multi player fuctionality.

ESO: Isarii’s Comprehensive Review is one of the better all round reviews of what the game is about.

I am not quite sure whether you arrived at this assumption simply of your own perspective or if you had seen a specific post somewhere. It has been fairly common knowledge for quite a while (especially once the NDA was lifted in Beta) that this MMO whilst inhabiting the Elder Scrolls universe and sharing some features with the single players games...was not and never should be considered a single player rendered multiplayer functional. MMO's do not correspond well to single player games for many reasons. Consider it an homage at best.

I look at this game on it's own merit. I dont need some guy on the internet to do my thinking for me. Every MMO is an mmo with a differnet brand, how different do you expect an mmo to be other than itself? I love this game and I didnt need some guy to tell me whether or not its god or bad. Stop feeding off of the negativity of others and enjoy something just for yourself. If you like it who cares what everyone else thinks. If your always chasing the next best thing your going to live a life full of disappointment.

"Oh yeah, angry joe burned this game to the ground. Elder Scrolls will be free to play in a couple months because this bugged piece of whatever is not worth 15 dollars a month. The Bots & Bugs: Online. I regret my 80 dollar purchase (60 for a bugged game and 20 for a horse) I'm not even finishing my free 30 days even though it's a sunk cost."

Thats your fault for paying real money for a virtual item, you know you can earn gold in the game to buy the horse for no extra charge other than the time it takes to save up the gold?

Bots are a RL issue that people supported by purchasing from them, again not ZOE's fault.

You leaving early at the first sign of a bug is again your fault. If you expect a polished ESO game then you can wait for about 3 to 5 years. Just like WoW or EQ. it takes years to refine.

You come back and let us know when you find the perfect online game with no issues, or waaait a minute, just how long as this game been out? Hmmph, not a month yet? Wow... I think I'll play through the minor bugs that will be ironed out in a few more months. I'll do my own thinking and I will let Angry Joe do the thinking for his followers err...I mean his sheep.

Ahh. Another idiot who expected Skyrim Online. You have no place here, go away.

Ivo wrote: »

GW2 is probably one of the best f2p but thats all it is, it cant reach sub based game quality.

GW2, F2P? What?!

@hungryhippos‌ I think it is funny that you claim to be asking a question in the forum title and then go on to make statement after statement. Were exactly was your question?

If you expected graphics to be equal to a single player, you don't know what an MMO is or how it works. You cannot have that level of graphics on an MMO because the minimum system requirement would be a 4 SLI GTX780ti rig with a recommended being whatever is max 4 years from now.

As for storing things in boxes everywhere, I think that would have been a great idea, you store stuff in boxes and I just follow you around and pick them up. I used to play a game called Gemstone where you could hide stuff in barrels and such, sometimes it would be there when you came back and sometimes it wouldn't. Most people used it when rerolling and a friend wasn't around to hold stuff, if you rolled fast enough it might still be there.

On the subject of Elder Scrolls being so super-cool, are you talking stock, off the shelf or with a ton of mods?

Yawn, Angry Joe. Whatever, another youtube person with an opinion, there are so many of them you can find someone to support whatever your objective is and your objective is obviously to flame the game, so again, whatever.

I find that watching others reviews on a game, reading forums, and testing the game myself is the result of whether I stay to play. Angry Joe has some points (And I am not a big fan of his). I can agree with him on these said points.

Anyone defending this game's age...You learn from other's mistakes. So this game's age is no excuse for the hot mess it is in. Or to phrase my brother, if you want to play with the big boys, you need to know how the big boys play.

I loved this game in Beta. But now as the first 30 days dwindle away, I find I have to a song and dance just to play. And if not spreading words of gold about this game makes me immature, okay then, so be it.

hungryhippos wrote: »

Oh yeah, angry joe burned this game to the ground. Elder Scrolls will be free to play in a couple months because this bugged piece of whatever is not worth 15 dollars a month. The Bots & Bugs: Online. I regret my 80 dollar purchase (60 for a bugged game and 20 for a horse) I'm not even finishing my free 30 days even though it's a sunk cost.

So you got this off your chest, and also gave ZOS feedback from a dissatisfied customer.

Thats good!

You let us and ZOS know you are not going to sub or even finish your 30 days, and you hate the game.

Having accomplished all that must mean you are done here on the forums, and can go watch Angry Joe dude videos for the next game out.

Ivo wrote: »

Im actually kind of glad that OP and many more are so angry and pissed and whatever not that they cancel sub and quit this game. You know why? Because it will iron out a decent, mature and fun playerbase and eliminate the whining noodles so it really is a win situation for the rest of us who do like this game. Im fairly confident that this game has enough fans, or adult gamers to keep it sub based game instead of one of many F2P games. For the rest of you there is many other MMO's that are free to play, GW2 is probably one of the best f2p but thats all it is, it cant reach sub based game quality.

Anyways have fun whatever you choose to play but for the love of The Three, stop whining.

Massive: by definition, masses are not "mature", nor educated or intelligent.

Without those whiners this game would not exist. So don't speak about what you don't understand because with your "mature and fun playerbase" a company like ZOS won't pays the bills.

I think the point he is trying to make is that Elder Scrolls Online is just that. The only thing "Elder Scrolls" about this game is the title. I can see how he's unhappy.

If you go back and play the other games it's nothing like this which i think upset alot of people that never played the beta. You really can't blame them. If however you think this is the greatest MMO on earth, it's not.

Rift was the last sub game i paid for. That lasted longer (i think about 1 year till it went F2P) You need to keep people happy playing the game or they leave simple as that. It's 99% more a business decision then other Free to play games since you have the $14.99 a month rolling in.

If you think this MMO is safe, think again

Hmm. Oh to wish my mom paid for this. But my mom hasn't paid for anything I owned or own in well....35 years.

I purchased this game and I was silly enough to believe in this company by purchasing the highest thing they had to offer. The limited box edition, but wait I so wanted this game to succeed I bought the orange pony! Then because I wanted them to fix bugs, deal with bots, and treat their customers with some kind of respect..I bought the lore books!

I watched Angry Joe and didn't agree with absolutely everything he said. I thought he was a bit hard on some points and missed out totally on others. But some of his points were spot on.

I do have a habit of reading/watching reviews, reading the company's forums (customer support are great reviews in themselves), getting opinions of live people in our my life circle, and of course trying it out myself.

I do this because it is after all my money. Not my mom's because she wouldn't care if I played or not. Not anyone else's money either. But for the simple fact that it is "my" money.

The poster has some valid points:

There are glitches,
There are problems with grouping,
The loot issue in Dungeons i.e. the farmers destroying the thrill factor
The load times need real work.
Exploits? I remember that when SWTOR first launched. Apparently you could sell some collected nodes for outrageous amounts to vendors and within a couple weeks you had millionaires all over the place!

But I think the real issue lies in the trends set by previous MMOs. People prefer simple features - node farming that one never has to compete for. Being able to have in many ways a pre made character from day one. The existence of an auction house. People want stuff handed to them and not have to make this (in their minds) a second job.

Doing things differently is a huge risk. There will be those who just don't want to work too much at things and there are those who will want a challenge. Neither way is better than the other. Some people want to come home and just play a simple game to relax and unwind - doesn't make them "less than or stupid" Just different from say those of us who want a more challenging platform. I honestly wonder if Zenimax thought the second group would be the major buyers as opposed to the first.

What I think should change (beyond the tech issues) are really just a few things:
Inventory management - sorry it sucks!
Better Looting when it comes to boss dungeons (don't let just a small minority benefit from the fight. If someone gets a hit in, give them the goods!)
Scaling of Bosses
Grouping, Grouping, Grouping

Thanks for your time.

You guys misinterpret opinion for fact when it is only opinion. The amount of butthurt responses shows that you can't differentiate between the two, defend the game if you want, please support it because the game needs alot of changes. I'm glad you guys are enjoying it but you will not change my opinion of a game that I think is not completely developed. I have an opinion, I shared it, and most of you disagree. That's great, it doesn't however, make you correct. Bugs are a part of any software release, working with a IT consulting firm, I see bugs day in and day out on software for multi-million dollar businesses. You would think with that kind of money and hundreds if not thousands of people working on this business solution it would be perfect, but it isn't. The bugs aren't making me quit the game, its the overall design of the game that I dislike and that is my opinion only.

This is where I won't change, ignore the elder scrolls aspect of the game. As an MMO it shouldn't be hard to to group up, quest and help my my guildmates, but it is virtually impossible to help them with stuff that I or they have already finished. That means I am playing this game as a single player campaign, which leads me to my next point, as a single player game, this game isn't nearly as good as any previous elder scrolls game. Now some of my guildmates say that once you hit veteran ranks you can play dungeons etc together, but that is only one part of the game. Many players seem to think that it is a mad rush to end game content "where the real fun begins" but if that is where, in fact, the real fun begins, why bother even leveling? Why isn't leveling fun? What can we do to make it fun? For me, I enjoy questing, leveling, farming, etc but this game fails on 2 of those 3. Sure, when your party kills something, you get XP, but you don't get anything valuable for your quest and when you see something to farm, only one of you can farm it and that makes this game antisocial where positive social behaviors should be inforced in an MMO. If you guys actually think the grouping/mmo aspect of this game is good, you haven't played very many games.

As for the angry joe video, I had the same feelings about the game even before I watched the video. If you disagree with him, that's fine. It is, afterall, an opinion that I happen to agree with.

Lastly, I am not bailing on this game completely, if Zenimax makes changes that I agree with, I will gladly comeback and start playing the game. The core design of this game is not worth MY time. But unlike some of you, I will not pay 15 dollars a month for mediocrity and that is a direct shot at all you fan boys who will pay to play for the next couple months/years.

Speaking of data, find a good IT consulting firm to do it for you because you guys obviously don't know how to manage data. Example: Guild Store/Bank Definitions are not existant, updating it sucks, retrieving information... they said the fixed but didn't.

Bolo_Bob wrote: »

since you are quiting can i haz u stuff?

^ This