How Does Changes in Fighters Guild Skills Affect PVE?

ADarklore · July 2021

The changes constantly speak of 'player' instead of PVE specific. In the game, the Fighters Guild is not just about 'vampires and werewolves' but they're also fighting Undead and Daedra. I can see how this would work for PVP because players cannot be Undead or Daedra, but in PVE we're constantly fighting all four types of monsters. So I'm curious if these changes are JUST for PVP or if they also have removed them from PVE monsters as well?

francesinhalover · July 2021

They removed them from pve monsters, Pve players are constantly getting butchered because of pvp , zenimax for some reason doesn't want the separate the 2 of them.
That's also why vampire is just useless on pve.

I dont even bother with vet content anymore. If i want to do end game content i'll just install guild wars 2 or something.Since their pvp is separate.

ADarklore · July 2021

Well, on the plus side we get an extra +10% damage with Fighters Guild abilities against everything and additional +10% against Werewolves and Vampires. So we're losing 10% increased damage against Undead and Daedra but gaining 10% against normal enemies... I think I can live with that. Or, am I reading it wrong and the +10% is ONLY against 'player' Werewolves and Vampires?!?

hakan · July 2021

am i reading it wrong? isnt that overall buff? its 20percent against vamp,ww just like live version but with this you also deal normal mobs/people 10percent more.

ADarklore · July 2021

hakan wrote: »

am i reading it wrong? isnt that overall buff? its 20percent against vamp,ww just like live version but with this you also deal normal mobs/people 10percent more.

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Because according to the patch notes, "... and an additional 10% against player Werewolves and Vampires." It specifically calls out 'player' Werewolves and Vampires... and dev notes further state, "Rather than continuing this, it will now only check 3 things (instead of 23!) each time you deal damage, while retaining its flavor in PvP environments."

So to me this says we're only getting 10% across the board damage, and the +10% for Werewolves and Vampires is ONLY for PVP. Which is why I am seeking further clarification.

hakan · July 2021

ADarklore wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

am i reading it wrong? isnt that overall buff? its 20percent against vamp,ww just like live version but with this you also deal normal mobs/people 10percent more.

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Because according to the patch notes, "... and an additional 10% against player Werewolves and Vampires." It specifically calls out 'player' Werewolves and Vampires... and dev notes further state, "Rather than continuing this, it will now only check 3 things (instead of 23!) each time you deal damage, while retaining its flavor in PvP environments."

So to me this says we're only getting 10% across the board damage, and the +10% for Werewolves and Vampires is ONLY for PVP. Which is why I am seeking further clarification.

yeah i get you now.

Sluggy · July 2021

francesinhalover wrote: »

They removed them from pve monsters, Pve players are constantly getting butchered because of pvp , zenimax for some reason doesn't want the separate the 2 of them.

Just to hammer home that last sentence. The door swings both ways. They've also butchered some of the Fighter's guild stuff for PvP due to PvE this patch.