GodKingScormxon wrote: »

ESO is nowhere as good as oblivion and Skyrim it's filled with people that angry when you want to build a character that uses for example a restoration staff on one bar and a two handed weapon on the other you can't make your own class most of the conjuration spells have been left out you can't walk on water you can't dive or breath underwater you can't levitate, use telepathy or telekinesis they keep changing the weapon abilities for example upper cut used to knock people back and stun them the ultimate for two handed used to refund your ultimate points if you killed the target with it this year is better than last year but it's not enough to fix the game I only play because it the best MMORPG on the Xbox and I have spent $1000s on it I was disappointed in the very beginning but I stuck with it hoping they would go back to being as good as oblivion and Skyrim by putting all the spell and enchantments that they left out going back to a normal stat system not this over simplified bull crap that only benefits a few people I like maxing out a character I almost never win in pvp I find it hard to talk to people I don't know because I don't like child based drama or talk to kids I like being a solo gamer but I also love co-op and MMORPGs I don't usually play games that aren't online. And if you never played Morrowind, oblivion, or Skyrim then you don't know what you are missing and you are not a true fan of the franchise. The original games were about creating your own class calling it what you wanted it was about maxing out your characters stats it's lame because they felt that going away from cannon was the right move but who cares if someone has 100% spell absorption or 100% to all resistances they got that way because they work to get there and you can't even have that. I just don't want to see the franchise I loved since childhood go under and if they keep things the way they are the franchise will die we don't even know if they will even come out with elders scrolls 6 I thought it be out by now but technically ESO is number 6 it's the 6th game for the franchise I have been pre order it for 3 years I started playing it 2016 I missed the first few pre orders my friends in real life all hate it and won't play it some rather just stick to Skyrim a lot of my friends who used to play it online people I don't know personal stopped playing it and pretty Shure my old childhood friends that loved elder scrolls 3 probably won't touch ESO because of how different it is in comparison. I just don't want to see my favorite franchise go bottoms up.

A word of advice: if you want to support the franchise you love, insulting the fans of ESO is not a great way to go about it.

ESO is a great entrance into the TES series for many fans. Skyrim was a fantastic entrance into the TES series for many fans.

*waves hello*

I started playing TES games in Skyrim. Then I played Oblivion. Then ESO. Then Morrowind, which I played shortly before ESO launched their Morrowind Chapter precisely because I wanted to visit singleplayer Vvardenfell first. According to you, I guess I wasn't a true fan before I finished Morrowind?

Oh, foo on all Morrowind snobbery.

All the games have something special. All of the games gave up something from their predecessors. If you play Oblivion expecting it to be like Morrowind, you'll can join theegion of Morrowind fans who were disappointed. If you play Skyrim expecting it to be like Oblivion, you'll be disappointed because it further simplifies the remaining CRPG elements. If you play ESO expecting it to be like Skyrim, again, you'll be disappointed.

In your disappointment, you'll miss the elements that make each game an amazing entry in the TES saga.

Levitation is gone, probably for good. In exchange, we got the amazing, lively cities of Oblivion, Skyrim, and ESO because the Devs can do so much more in a closed "zone" where players can't levitate over the walls.

Exploits like the fortify restoration loop are all part of the Buggy Bethesda memos in the singleplayer games because it really doesn't bother anyone else if you break the balance of your game. In a Multi-player game, it should be obvious that you don't get to ruin the game experience for everyone else around you. (Though never fear, Zenimax is totally carrying on the Buggy Bethesda torch.)

The deep text-based lore of Morrowind and quests that required you to follow directions are gone now that we have fully voiced games. Ironically, ESO has been doing more for the lore of some of the undeserved races like Argonians and Khajiit than the singleplayer games ever did.

One thing ESO does better than any game in the series is have some sort of "end game" when your character has finished all the quests. In Skyrim, you just had some random radiant quests. Beyond that, what was there to do but decorate your houses, install five dozen mods, then try to figure out which mod is making your game crash?


The TES series is doing fine. Bethesda was pretty clear that they were working on Starfield before TES 6, so that ought to tell you that you're going to have a long wait yet. Despite Bethesda releasing Skyrim on every electronic device know to man, ESO is doing a fantastic job of introducing the TES games to a whole new audience of gamers. Skyrim will be ten years old this year. TES 6 probably won't be out for another 5 years, if I had to guess. In the meantime, what's going to keep interest high?

ESO. More precisely, ESO doing what ESO does well, because this game has its own audience that isn't a perfect match for the single-player game fans.

That does NOT mean that ESO needs to bring back all the old features (and exploits) you loved from Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim.

The current attributes system only benefits of few people if they went back to the basics it benefits everyone those who spend $1000s of dollars and you and me you just have to work to build up if you never played Morrowind oblivion or Skyrim then you can't relate to it. It's not the same things game only works for those who stick to a role it doesn't work for Jack of all trades type players and even when I take the advice to put all your attributes into one stat it still doesn't work for me it work so much better if it had the original 8 attributes and 100 attribute points per 50 levels it work better with underwater there could also be player owned ships that can sail on the oceans of Tamriel and even have our companions help control the ship instead of another player and Even have your own npc crew and be pirates of sorts there's so much more that can happen not to mention my life could be over at any moment so it be nice to see my favorite franchise go back to cannon before I die. And have all the spells and enchantments that were left out to be able to truly max out a character something I have always done in the other games in 2013 I want an elder scrolls MMORPGs because I wanted to be good at something I wanted to be able to be the best but I can't with this attribute system there no way I can become emperor with this current system my lose to win ratio is 99% loss and 1% win in pvp the storyline of the game is way too easy except dungeons and trails a solo gamer can't do a trial or most dungeons by them selves unless there cp 810+ and only a few of them mostly the first few dungeons like Fungal Grotto 1 and city of Ash 1 for example I was able to do city of Ash 1 on normal by my self for the first time and it was all thanks to the companion system which makes this year twice as good as last year but it's not enough to satisfy lots of people like me who have spent tons of money on this game. My friends are quiting one by one each for different reasons one quit being his stamina and magicka would not regain in pvp he started over on computer because that glitter wasn't affecting him this guy spent way more money than me what happens to all those who spent$1000s if this franchise were to ever go out of business? It's a major loss in our lives money that could of gone towards better things I don't have to waste my government money on this game I could use it somewhere else but I love this franchise to much to give up on it or start from scratch somewhere else. That's is way I want to be heard and understood I could just not play it or not pay for for ESO plus save me lots of money a month but I refuse to give up on this game because I spent so much money on it .

I am unfamiliar with a stealth archer is they only time I used bows in Skyrim was to bring down dragons it's not my play style to be stealthy in the original games and this one I don't even us shadowy disguise anyone with my night blades so please tell about the stealth archer.

GodKingScormxon wrote: »

I am unfamiliar with a stealth archer is they only time I used bows in Skyrim was to bring down dragons it's not my play style to be stealthy in the original games and this one I don't even us shadowy disguise anyone with my night blades so please tell about the stealth archer.

The joke is that the most efficient playstyle in Skyrim is to sneak and shoot things from far away because of the extra sneak attack bonuses. Not everyone plays a sneak archer, but it's a very common playstyle for that reason.

Similarly, ESO players tend to gravitate to the classes and builds that are the most efficient for particular content.

For example, if I want to play a healer, Mag Warden and Mag Templar are the two best choices because their skill lines are very well suited to healing. They synergize well in groups because they have a slightly different healing style and buffs.

If you let me pick from all the skill lines in the game and I wanted to play a healer, then obviously I would pick the Warden and Templar's healing skill lines and have the best of both worlds. That would be the most effective way to be a healer. Additionally, anyone who didn't do that would be lacking in important healing skills.

What it ends up doing is killing build diversity. Instead of having two solid ways to play a healer, now there's only one solid way, and a myriad of inferior options.

I'm not someone who trolls people I don't find that to be fun and in Skyrim I never had to stealth use a bow to get through the game it much easier for me to hack and slash my way through but when it comes to ESO I don't want it to be a copy of the originals I just want it to have a more friendly appeal to it to be able to max out a character is what made these games worth while but now it's like why didn't they just go with the original 8 attributes in the first place this whole system only benefits of few people not the original fan base I know everyone's play style is not the same but I also know there are people who agree with me but most might be too afraid to speak up. And what I truly meant by I don't want to see my favorite franchise go bottoms up was I just don't want to have to lose all the time effort and money I put on this game. I feel like they might be listening to me because about 1 or 2 years ago I suggest something like the companion system and they made it. I just want some happiness in life with out any. The game is all that gives me some happiness there's nothing else for me to look forward to. Even though it may seem like I want this all for my self that is not the case I want it for every person who has been treated poorly, because they want to be a jack, because they don't want to be told to stick to a role, because they just want to have fun and max out a character. I have been treated poorly by other players because I don't want to stick to a role and because I not good enough. I simply want core stats that build up you characters. Not to mention the game is already unbalanced as it is. There are too many problems with class vs class like some class have an advantage of others even when use lower level gear than that character the sorcerer class is practically unmatched the only time I could win I pvp is with my sorcerer and other non cp characters I'm certain they will make what I feel they should because the customer is always right I am 100% positive if they went to an 8 attributes system they would get more people to play and make more money but currently they are losing popularity their rating has drop about 1.5 points they used to be a 4.9 and now they have a rating of 3.9 I see more negative reviews than positive on Xbox and there losing the support of the fans that played the original games. My biggest regret in life is not being able to achieve my dream of game design if I had this game would have never been made this simple. to some people simple mechanics is harder to grasp then complex mechanics. And you shouldn't have to be partied up just to get the full benefits of the game, everyone should have a choice either be a follower, a leader, or a lone wolf. When you are forced into having to rely on others to play a game there is no fun to it. But if you get the choice to build your characters the way you want to then it's better. Having all those attributes allows some who is at a disadvantage to be able to overcome such disadvantage and pole through the top. Not everyone likes to compete and they only way to become emperor in this game is to compete I won't even go into the campaigns except imperial city and the only pvp I like is battlegrounds and that's about it. I can't even get the full benefits of the game I have spent $1000s on because of they way the attributes system is made and because they lack of certain enchantments that were need for me to even be good at the game just as spell absorption. I also miss walking on water, levitate, telepathy, water breathing,, feather, fortified attributes, telekinesis, and even being able to make your own spells and classes. Try playing the original games and then make an option.

GodKingScormxon wrote: »

I'm not someone who trolls people I don't find that to be fun and in Skyrim I never had to stealth use a bow to get through the game it much easier for me to hack and slash my way through but when it comes to ESO I don't want it to be a copy of the originals I just want it to have a more friendly appeal to it to be able to max out a character is what made these games worth while but now it's like why didn't they just go with the original 8 attributes in the first place this whole system only benefits of few people not the original fan base I know everyone's play style is not the same but I also know there are people who agree with me but most might be too afraid to speak up. And what I truly meant by I don't want to see my favorite franchise go bottoms up was I just don't want to have to lose all the time effort and money I put on this game. I feel like they might be listening to me because about 1 or 2 years ago I suggest something like the companion system and they made it. I just want some happiness in life with out any. The game is all that gives me some happiness there's nothing else for me to look forward to. Even though it may seem like I want this all for my self that is not the case I want it for every person who has been treated poorly, because they want to be a jack, because they don't want to be told to stick to a role, because they just want to have fun and max out a character. I have been treated poorly by other players because I don't want to stick to a role and because I not good enough. I simply want core stats that build up you characters. Not to mention the game is already unbalanced as it is. There are too many problems with class vs class like some class have an advantage of others even when use lower level gear than that character the sorcerer class is practically unmatched the only time I could win I pvp is with my sorcerer and other non cp characters I'm certain they will make what I feel they should because the customer is always right I am 100% positive if they went to an 8 attributes system they would get more people to play and make more money but currently they are losing popularity their rating has drop about 1.5 points they used to be a 4.9 and now they have a rating of 3.9 I see more negative reviews than positive on Xbox and there losing the support of the fans that played the original games. My biggest regret in life is not being able to achieve my dream of game design if I had this game would have never been made this simple. to some people simple mechanics is harder to grasp then complex mechanics. And you shouldn't have to be partied up just to get the full benefits of the game, everyone should have a choice either be a follower, a leader, or a lone wolf. When you are forced into having to rely on others to play a game there is no fun to it. But if you get the choice to build your characters the way you want to then it's better. Having all those attributes allows some who is at a disadvantage to be able to overcome such disadvantage and pole through the top. Not everyone likes to compete and they only way to become emperor in this game is to compete I won't even go into the campaigns except imperial city and the only pvp I like is battlegrounds and that's about it. I can't even get the full benefits of the game I have spent $1000s on because of they way the attributes system is made and because they lack of certain enchantments that were need for me to even be good at the game just as spell absorption. I also miss walking on water, levitate, telepathy, water breathing,, feather, fortified attributes, telekinesis, and even being able to make your own spells and classes. Try playing the original games and then make an option.

ESO is an MMORPG.

Having the 8 attribute system and the ability to max out your character is not going to let you pole your way to "the top."

I fight in CP PVP. Believe me, having maxed CP 810 did not in any way, shape, or form guarantee me a place at "the top." Same thing with trials - many players have maxed CP and meta characters who can do normal trials with a group. Few people can compete for the leaderboards.

If you got your 8 attribute, maxed out character and walked into Battlegrounds, you would be fighting against other 8 attribute, maxed out characters. If you have disadvantages now, you would still have disadvantages then. Player skill would still make all the difference.

And ZOS would still be designing dungeons and trials to challenge all the 8 attribute, maxed out characters. Unless there is an easy "story mode" added, a solo 8 attribute, maxed out character is never going to fully solo content designed to challenge a team of twelve 8 attribute, maxed out characters.

Fundamentally, ESO is not a singleplayer game where your Nerevarine or Dovahkiin can abuse power creep to become stronger than anything in the world to the point that nothing is a challenge. No, it's a world of Vestiges, and surely you can see the problems inherent in letting thousands of Vestiges abuse power creep to the point that they can solo waltz into a fully powered trial and beat down old St. Olms, right? Maybe that's satisfying to you, but lots of players enjoy games with some challenge to them even at max level.

I'm sorry, but I sincerely think you are setting yourself up for sure disappointment by tying your happiness to the hope that ZOS will completely redesign ESO's character building and combat system to match the 8 attributes, maxed out characters you loved from Morrowind and Oblivion. I mean, even if they started tomorrow, the process would take years. That's the sort of gutting/redesigning process that would make One Tamriel look like peanuts.

Honestly, I'd recommend finding some achievements that will make you happy. If you don't want to play in Cyrodiil, why even worry about Emperor? Find an achievement you want in Battlegrounds and work towards that. Sometimes being happy in a game is about focusing on how to maximize your enjoyment of what you can do, rather than complaining about what you can't and begging the Devs to completely change the game so you can.

I was also thinking there should be a brawler skill line with your bare fist kinda like the hand to hand skill in Morrowind and knuckle weapons along with an un armored skill line, and a one handed only skill line manly so I have more skill lines to master one of my characters has all the weapon and armor skill line all maxed out the only ones I haven't maxed out are undented, psijic order, and soul magic only because I am taking my time on the main story line because I have lost interest in the game in the first place.

Lugaldu wrote: »

GodKingScormxon wrote: »

I was also thinking there should be a brawler skill line with your bare fist kinda like the hand to hand skill in Morristown and knuckle weapons along with an un armored skill line

Personally, I don't see much point in having an extra skill line for fighting with bare fists or being without armor. Perhaps it is suitable if two players fight against each other in PvP in a fistfight (provided that it is a fair fight and both really stick to the agreed fighting style), but at least it seems completely unrealistic to me if any player would, for example, fight a dragon with the bare fist and without any armor.

Some of the Khajiit monk styles might work well. Although most of the Khajiit monks don't exactly seem to be doing amazing against the dragons attacking their homeland, so maybe not.

GodKingScormxon wrote: »

I don't quite understand what someone mean by the current system of attributes being more efficient did you mean in terms of animating the game or in terms of playing it because it's not efficient to me it is very difficult to go with the build I want to I'm not someone who bends to someone else's will I don't like the way it is because I can't have what made these games great in the first place I won't do dungeons anymore because of unsporting type behavior of other players because I want my characters to focus on not just one attribute I like being able to go with a restoration staff on one bar and a 2 handed weapon or sword and board on the other bar I don't understand how so many like the way it is it feels like it's this just to insult me like it's to torment me someday I believe it will change and the people who quit playing ESO will all come back there more of them they y'all think.

As far as ESO's system being more efficient:

ESO's system of three attributes is designed to follow Skyrim's system of three attributes: health, magicka, and stamina. Skyrim likewise borrows from early games, which had health, magicka, and fatigue as major combat stats.

The big difference is that in Oblivion and Morrowind you could only indirectly affect your health, magicka, and fatigue. Let's say you were feeling a bit squishy. Well, you add to put points in Endurance, and then over time you'd start getting more health when you leveled up.

If you wanted more fatigue in Oblivion, you needed to start putting points into Strength, Willpower, Agility, and Endurance. Each of these was governed by what major skills you leveled, so you really had to micromanage what you were doing each level to get the right +5 or +3 bonuses to the attribute you wanted.

In contrast, Skyrim and ESO are much simpler.
Need to run longer/use weapons better? Add more stamina.
Need more magic to cast spells? Add more magicka.
Feeling squishy? Add more health.

You may not find it as intuitive or as customizable as 8 attributes that indirectly effect your major combat stats. However, having 3 attributes that determine your major combat stats is far less complicated and thus more accessible for most players.


Out of curiosity, what kind of build are you trying to make in terms of attributes and for what content?

My MagDK uses one-hand and shield/resto staff as a healer in PVP or even in PVE as a tank if the group needs more healing.


Finally, I'm not trying to insult or torment you when I disagree with what you want. I genuinely disliked the micromanagement of Oblivion and Morrowind's 8 attribute system. I think it would be a giant step backwards in accessibility and balance for ESO. We may disagree, but I should hope we can do so without insults.

I just want a game that makes every one happy. But sadly what makes one person happy make another person sad.

Already did most of the story lines I also suggest for them to make one more role and my attributes system idea won't work unless there is at least 2 more classes I just want to have that build a class feel in the game and to do that they would need two more classes and allowing of stacked class kinda like cross class but instead you don't switch from class to class the class skill lines would be add in with everything else with 50 more levels, 100 attribute points and level up rewards per stacked class. Not to mention I find it easier to understand complex mechanics better than simple mechanics and that's my problem my mind is to advanced for simple thinking. I had an IQ of 140 when I was a kid now it's only 99 but that's because I am overwhelmed with huge paperwork and racing thoughts I'm mostly a math genius with an 18 grade point average in math. I'm sure if you were able to give it a go you'd like it better but a lot of people are afraid of change because it would be a change no matter if it were a step back to step forward.

The human mind works in so many different ways for one thing maybe easier to understand than another with the same person. There are a lot of complex thing I can't understand but there are even more simplified things that I can't understand than complex things so to speak.