Leveling up Scrying on alternate toons is mind numbing.

Arunei · July 2021

Personally, I don't understand why they couldn't just make the coin a once-per-account thing but leave purples available for every character. Iirc someone had done the math and the profit for doing each free lead (green blue and purple) amounts to 300k gold or something like that. Given the amount of time it takes to do that, it's not like you're just getting money for free, you're putting in the time and effort to go around and do the leads. Hell, they could even have made purples on subsequent characters give 0 gold but still at least give experience so leveling Antiquities wouldn't be such a pita for the people wanting the chest perk on multiple characters (or make them give 1g if for whatever reason gold and experience are tied together for Antiquities).

Ippokrates · July 2021

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some thoughts:
Strictly speaking, all you need to level for the treasure chest passive is Excavation.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. Gold leads advance you faster in Excavation (and in Scrying) that purple ones do (10 points vs. 5).

So for antiquarians after your first one -- once you hit Level 5, you can advance most of the rest of the way on Void-Crystal Anomalies. (This does assume the new antiquarian has good access to Coldharbour.)

One implication: Once you hit Level 5, you don't have to spend any more skill points in Scrying if you don't want to.

Good idea, will try it today ^^

From my POV, and I am currently leveling 7th Alt in excavation... The best way is to cummulate some purple leads during regular gameplay and then do it at once. Yesterday it took me an hour to reach 6 lvl. But today I will see if gold excavation would work. I assume you must first scry on your prime toon and then excavate blind by leveling alt. Then you need to make some probing and have luck ^^

fizl101 · July 2021

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

I didn't know until after i'd maxed the skill line out that there was that slotable eye thingy that points to where the digsite is. Woulda been alot quicker and easier if I had.

Sounds like me completing the psijic time rifts in first person view and not seeing your head glow to know you were in the right area.....

Veinblood1965 · July 2021

Paulytnz wrote: »

Like others have said here, Arteaum is the place to do it. Smaller map, no enemies to attack you and slow you down. It's also a nice relaxing thing to do at times when you are bored of doing other stuff. You can also actually have the game music on since that dang annoying combat music wont come into effect here!

I have done 6 chars to lvl 9 so far here. It's good cash too. I have 10 chars altogether and had planned to going to lvl 9 on all of them until I found out something recently. That lvl 10 reward, the lead that sits in one of the buildings in Solitude that is worth 100k, can be done on ALL your chars apparently, so my new goal is to get them all to level 10 for an easy million gold.

Good luck, have fun!

I didn't know it was level ten for the 100k. I thought it was all purple leads in all zones which I have done on my main toon. Thanks for the info!

Veinblood1965 · July 2021

ApoAlaia wrote: »

I get that you want to kill two birds with one stone but IMO you are making it worse for yourself but doing it this way.

Artaeum is a much smaller area and has no hostile encounters, which is why the majority of us level up the antiquities skill line there at least to lvl 7.

I 'spice it up' a bit if I happen to have purple leads just to break the monotony if it starts getting to me but after having done this many, many times on my alts at least for me the sanest option is to do it this way; not try to 'make it more efficient' by adding other tasks in the mix, just knuckle down and get through it in Artaeum.

That is a good tip thanks! IF I get up enough patience for another toon I'll go there. Good thing to know!

Sylvermynx · July 2021

@FlopsyPrince - You can go pick the lead up again; shouldn't be a problem. It doesn't expire permanently AFAIK. As for the Al-Esh Ascension coin lead, it's the only gold one I think that's once only - you should be able to get other gold leads again.

@Veinblood1965 - It's not level 10, it's having dug a green, a blue, and a purple in each zone except Cyrodiil and IC, and I'm not sure how it works with the new chapter, if that's now included if you haven't finished getting the coin before the chapter dropped. I got the coin lead at level 8 antiquities on three of my accounts, and level 7 on the other one.

FlopsyPrince · July 2021

Sylvermynx wrote: »

@FlopsyPrince - You can go pick the lead up again; shouldn't be a problem. It doesn't expire permanently AFAIK. As for the Al-Esh Ascension coin lead, it's the only gold one I think that's once only - you should be able to get other gold leads again.

@Veinblood1965 - It's not level 10, it's having dug a green, a blue, and a purple in each zone except Cyrodiil and IC, and I'm not sure how it works with the new chapter, if that's now included if you haven't finished getting the coin before the chapter dropped. I got the coin lead at level 8 antiquities on three of my accounts, and level 7 on the other one.

I can't remember wish lead it was now. Doesn't matter either way though. Either I will get it back or I won't!

Jaimeh · July 2021

Agreed, and even though it's easier in artaeum because it's a smaller area, it's a mind-numbingly boring grind to do on a second toon. After levelling the skills on my main, I don't think I'll ever get around to a second toon, unless they change something.

FlopsyPrince · July 2021

Is Artaeum the best to level past 5? Boring, but shorter travel.

Jaimeh · July 2021

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Is Artaeum the best to level past 5? Boring, but shorter travel.

Past that it's better to go out in the zones and do the purple lead of each map, I think.

Veinblood1965 · July 2021

Sylvermynx wrote: »

@FlopsyPrince - You can go pick the lead up again; shouldn't be a problem. It doesn't expire permanently AFAIK. As for the Al-Esh Ascension coin lead, it's the only gold one I think that's once only - you should be able to get other gold leads again.

@Veinblood1965 - It's not level 10, it's having dug a green, a blue, and a purple in each zone except Cyrodiil and IC, and I'm not sure how it works with the new chapter, if that's now included if you haven't finished getting the coin before the chapter dropped. I got the coin lead at level 8 antiquities on three of my accounts, and level 7 on the other one.

Thank you. Yes I got the coin when it first came out on my initial toon. It's kind of why I posted this post, since I have all the purple leads now(including the ones in the newer zones) the only thing I'm digging up is green and blues which is pretty uneventful. Not really for the gold but just something different once in a while would be nice. I guess it's kind of like fishing in a way for me, I dread that due to the limited number of things you can catch.

FlopsyPrince · July 2021

We should never be able to completely lose an Ultimate gold lead, especially since that can easily come very early in the grind.

Paulytnz · July 2021

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

Paulytnz wrote: »

Like others have said here, Arteaum is the place to do it. Smaller map, no enemies to attack you and slow you down. It's also a nice relaxing thing to do at times when you are bored of doing other stuff. You can also actually have the game music on since that dang annoying combat music wont come into effect here!

I have done 6 chars to lvl 9 so far here. It's good cash too. I have 10 chars altogether and had planned to going to lvl 9 on all of them until I found out something recently. That lvl 10 reward, the lead that sits in one of the buildings in Solitude that is worth 100k, can be done on ALL your chars apparently, so my new goal is to get them all to level 10 for an easy million gold.

Good luck, have fun!

I didn't know it was level ten for the 100k. I thought it was all purple leads in all zones which I have done on my main toon. Thanks for the info!

Yeah it was my bad. I misread guild chat on that. It's still only 1 per account as others have said here. I confirmed it when double checking my alts, one already had level 10 in both which I wasn't aware of lol.

So I went to check, wasn't there so I did a bit more research and discovered it's gaining all the one off purple leads.

So I apologize for that misinformation here.

FlopsyPrince · July 2021

I wish I could know which zones we have completed and which we have not.

I should have been more methodical, but I was not.

Paulytnz · July 2021

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

I wish I could know which zones we have completed and which we have not.

I should have been more methodical, but I was not.

Besides finding the list online somewhere you can go into the Antiquities' menu and have a look. You will need to look through each zone in the Codex, what you want to find is the Purple one that sells for 5k gold. if you see that for the zone - bingo you know you have that zone done. Make a short list and it wont take long.

AlnilamE · July 2021

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

I wish I could know which zones we have completed and which we have not.

I should have been more methodical, but I was not.

If you are on PC, the Display Leads addon is amazing for that. You can filter and sort by all sorts of options, including how many lore entries you are missing.

FrancisCrawford · July 2021

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some thoughts:
Strictly speaking, all you need to level for the treasure chest passive is Excavation.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. Gold leads advance you faster in Excavation (and in Scrying) that purple ones do (10 points vs. 5).

So for antiquarians after your first one -- once you hit Level 5, you can advance most of the rest of the way on Void-Crystal Anomalies. (This does assume the new antiquarian has good access to Coldharbour.)

One implication: Once you hit Level 5, you don't have to spend any more skill points in Scrying if you don't want to.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. This is patched and you now need 7.
So happy I did it on most of my alts back then you could start doing void crystals at lvl 5.

@zaria, do you happen to recall when that patch was, so I can check the patch notes? I don't recall this at all, even though it must have been very recent.

jle30303 · July 2021

You may be able to get the Al-Esh Ascension Coin lead as soon as you've dug up the purple treasure in each zone (which requires digging up a blue treasure to get the purple lead, and a green treasure to get the blue treasure lead...)

...BUT, since it's an Ultimate, you need to have Scrying maxed at level 10 to actually scry for it.

Having got the lead and scryed for it, you can then dig it up on a different toon which doesn't yet have scrying / excavation at level 10, if you want to, and have enough skill points invested in the useful excavation skills that you can actually dig up an Ultimate (which is by no means easy).

However I believe it is still SUPPOSED to be only one per account, not once per toon.

zaria · July 2021

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some thoughts:
Strictly speaking, all you need to level for the treasure chest passive is Excavation.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. Gold leads advance you faster in Excavation (and in Scrying) that purple ones do (10 points vs. 5).

So for antiquarians after your first one -- once you hit Level 5, you can advance most of the rest of the way on Void-Crystal Anomalies. (This does assume the new antiquarian has good access to Coldharbour.)

One implication: Once you hit Level 5, you don't have to spend any more skill points in Scrying if you don't want to.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. This is patched and you now need 7.
So happy I did it on most of my alts back then you could start doing void crystals at lvl 5.

@zaria, do you happen to recall when that patch was, so I can check the patch notes? I don't recall this at all, even though it must have been very recent.

Sorry I have no idea, I leveled it up on all my primary alts quite some time ago once I learned about the void crystals it was pretty fast. Could not sleep so started to level excavation on another recently and found i could not scry gold at 5 but had to wait to 7.
Yes letting you scry gold leads at 5 was an bug but the grind here is insane.

alberichtano · July 2021

Monte_Cristo wrote: »

I didn't know until after i'd maxed the skill line out that there was that slotable eye thingy that points to where the digsite is. Woulda been alot quicker and easier if I had.

Happened to me too. And seen/heard many guildmates not knowing about that. Oh well, better late than never, I guess. :-D

Wolfenbelle · July 2021

Leveling up a lot of things in this game is mind numbing, especially if you don't have the time to put in hours of grinding every day. I'm not complaining. It is what it is. But why single out scrying when so many other things require a mind numbing grind too?

AlnilamE · July 2021

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some thoughts:
Strictly speaking, all you need to level for the treasure chest passive is Excavation.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. Gold leads advance you faster in Excavation (and in Scrying) that purple ones do (10 points vs. 5).

So for antiquarians after your first one -- once you hit Level 5, you can advance most of the rest of the way on Void-Crystal Anomalies. (This does assume the new antiquarian has good access to Coldharbour.)

One implication: Once you hit Level 5, you don't have to spend any more skill points in Scrying if you don't want to.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. This is patched and you now need 7.
So happy I did it on most of my alts back then you could start doing void crystals at lvl 5.

@zaria, do you happen to recall when that patch was, so I can check the patch notes? I don't recall this at all, even though it must have been very recent.

Sorry I have no idea, I leveled it up on all my primary alts quite some time ago once I learned about the void crystals it was pretty fast. Could not sleep so started to level excavation on another recently and found i could not scry gold at 5 but had to wait to 7.
Yes letting you scry gold leads at 5 was an bug but the grind here is insane.

You can't scry yellows at level 5, but you sure can dig them up. So scry them on your main character and dig them up on the alt that's leveling. You can have up to five leads scried at any time, as long as they are in different zones.

So what I do is I collect some purple leads, scry them all on my main and then hop on my alt to dig them all up. You can do the same with yellows/add yellows into the mix if you want. You just need both skill points in the Augur in Excavation.

FrancisCrawford · July 2021

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some thoughts:
Strictly speaking, all you need to level for the treasure chest passive is Excavation.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. Gold leads advance you faster in Excavation (and in Scrying) that purple ones do (10 points vs. 5).

So for antiquarians after your first one -- once you hit Level 5, you can advance most of the rest of the way on Void-Crystal Anomalies. (This does assume the new antiquarian has good access to Coldharbour.)

One implication: Once you hit Level 5, you don't have to spend any more skill points in Scrying if you don't want to.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. This is patched and you now need 7.
So happy I did it on most of my alts back then you could start doing void crystals at lvl 5.

@zaria, do you happen to recall when that patch was, so I can check the patch notes? I don't recall this at all, even though it must have been very recent.

Sorry I have no idea, I leveled it up on all my primary alts quite some time ago once I learned about the void crystals it was pretty fast. Could not sleep so started to level excavation on another recently and found i could not scry gold at 5 but had to wait to 7.
Yes letting you scry gold leads at 5 was an bug but the grind here is insane.

@zaria,

But that wasn't the question. I don't recall ever being able to scry gold leads at Level 5; if it ever was possible, the fixed it long ago.

The question is whether one can dig them up, if one has another character to scry them. I said one can; you "corrected" me and said one can't; and you've said nothing to support your surprising claim since then.

AlnilamE · July 2021

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some thoughts:
Strictly speaking, all you need to level for the treasure chest passive is Excavation.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. Gold leads advance you faster in Excavation (and in Scrying) that purple ones do (10 points vs. 5).

So for antiquarians after your first one -- once you hit Level 5, you can advance most of the rest of the way on Void-Crystal Anomalies. (This does assume the new antiquarian has good access to Coldharbour.)

One implication: Once you hit Level 5, you don't have to spend any more skill points in Scrying if you don't want to.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. This is patched and you now need 7.
So happy I did it on most of my alts back then you could start doing void crystals at lvl 5.

@zaria, do you happen to recall when that patch was, so I can check the patch notes? I don't recall this at all, even though it must have been very recent.

Sorry I have no idea, I leveled it up on all my primary alts quite some time ago once I learned about the void crystals it was pretty fast. Could not sleep so started to level excavation on another recently and found i could not scry gold at 5 but had to wait to 7.
Yes letting you scry gold leads at 5 was an bug but the grind here is insane.

@zaria,

But that wasn't the question. I don't recall ever being able to scry gold leads at Level 5; if it ever was possible, the fixed it long ago.

The question is whether one can dig them up, if one has another character to scry them. I said one can; you "corrected" me and said one can't; and you've said nothing to support your surprising claim since then.

I can confirm that you can dig up a yellow lead on a character that's level 5 in Excavation. I tested it tonight.

FrancisCrawford · July 2021

AlnilamE wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some thoughts:
Strictly speaking, all you need to level for the treasure chest passive is Excavation.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. Gold leads advance you faster in Excavation (and in Scrying) that purple ones do (10 points vs. 5).

So for antiquarians after your first one -- once you hit Level 5, you can advance most of the rest of the way on Void-Crystal Anomalies. (This does assume the new antiquarian has good access to Coldharbour.)

One implication: Once you hit Level 5, you don't have to spend any more skill points in Scrying if you don't want to.

Once you hit Level 5 in Excavating, you can dig up gold leads. This is patched and you now need 7.
So happy I did it on most of my alts back then you could start doing void crystals at lvl 5.

@zaria, do you happen to recall when that patch was, so I can check the patch notes? I don't recall this at all, even though it must have been very recent.

Sorry I have no idea, I leveled it up on all my primary alts quite some time ago once I learned about the void crystals it was pretty fast. Could not sleep so started to level excavation on another recently and found i could not scry gold at 5 but had to wait to 7.
Yes letting you scry gold leads at 5 was an bug but the grind here is insane.

@zaria,

But that wasn't the question. I don't recall ever being able to scry gold leads at Level 5; if it ever was possible, the fixed it long ago.

The question is whether one can dig them up, if one has another character to scry them. I said one can; you "corrected" me and said one can't; and you've said nothing to support your surprising claim since then.

I can confirm that you can dig up a yellow lead on a character that's level 5 in Excavation. I tested it tonight.

So I was right, and the "correction" worried me for nothing. Thanks!!!

Slow_And_Steady2 · July 2021

I have been waiting for them to add the Scrying and Excavation skill lines to the crown store since I have already maxed both on my main toon. No way I would pay 3000 crowns each so if they do eventually add them I would say 3000 to maybe 4000 for both as a set. Don't think I would only buy the Excavation since it is the one with the Keen Eyes: Treasure Chests. Just not sure it is worth that much by it self.

I too started to do this a second time on one of my toons but so boring to me. Between all the Treasure Maps, Surveys, and Leads there is way to much stuff to constantly search for.

FlopsyPrince · July 2021

Slow_And_Steady2 wrote: »

I have been waiting for them to add the Scrying and Excavation skill lines to the crown store since I have already maxed both on my main toon. No way I would pay 3000 crowns each so if they do eventually add them I would say 3000 to maybe 4000 for both as a set. Don't think I would only buy the Excavation since it is the one with the Keen Eyes: Treasure Chests. Just not sure it is worth that much by it self.

I too started to do this a second time on one of my toons but so boring to me. Between all the Treasure Maps, Surveys, and Leads there is way to much stuff to constantly search for.

They will charge too much if they add it.

Things like that have been a major let down to me. Useless because of their cost!