What's your hot take?

waterfairy · July 2021

my other hot take- designing combat around animation cancelling is beyond bad and being the best at animation cancel aka "weaving" on a dummy is nothing to be proud about

the1andonlyskwex · July 2021

My hot take:
Most people who complain about PvP class balance just aren't as good at PvP as they think. A lot of people get inflated opinions of their own skills when their class is overpowered, and fail to reset their expectations when ZOS eventually corrects the imbalance.

Kadraeus · July 2021

Eevee_42 wrote: »

My hot take? I dislike how this game is turning into a watered down solo questing experience with a lack of attention to the MMO aspects. This is coming from somebody who immensely enjoyed the original TES games. The quality just isn’t there in ESO, the quest lines are mind numbingly repetitive and boring, and you lose the immersion a single player RPG offers. I’m sure a lot of the solo players will disagree because they’re starved for TES content due to the fact that a new game hasn’t been released since 2011 and we are several years out until the next one sees the light of day.

Definitely a hot take, at least in my opinion, but not unheard of. I almost completely disagree. Haven't played Blackwood yet, but my only issue with the quests is that they seem to have fallen into the trap of "The world has to be at stake in order for the story to be exciting," and I kinda wish they'd do more smaller-scale stuff. Imo, the quality is definitely there, though you can argue about "illusion of choice" and all that. I personally find myself way more invested in the stories in this game than I've ever been when playing Skyrim, despite choices mattering a little more in Skyrim. Just never cared about many of the characters there because the ones in this game have much more personality.

I just hope we get more original questlines in the future where it isn't just "bad guys want to kill people and we have to stop them." I like stories where it isn't really clear who's in the right, and I like stories that focus on characters' personal desires rather than them just trying to save the world because that's obviously the moral thing to do.

waterfairy · July 2021

Kadraeus wrote: »

Eevee_42 wrote: »

My hot take? I dislike how this game is turning into a watered down solo questing experience with a lack of attention to the MMO aspects. This is coming from somebody who immensely enjoyed the original TES games. The quality just isn’t there in ESO, the quest lines are mind numbingly repetitive and boring, and you lose the immersion a single player RPG offers. I’m sure a lot of the solo players will disagree because they’re starved for TES content due to the fact that a new game hasn’t been released since 2011 and we are several years out until the next one sees the light of day.

Definitely a hot take, at least in my opinion, but not unheard of. I almost completely disagree. Haven't played Blackwood yet, but my only issue with the quests is that they seem to have fallen into the trap of "The world has to be at stake in order for the story to be exciting," and I kinda wish they'd do more smaller-scale stuff. Imo, the quality is definitely there, though you can argue about "illusion of choice" and all that. I personally find myself way more invested in the stories in this game than I've ever been when playing Skyrim, despite choices mattering a little more in Skyrim. Just never cared about many of the characters there because the ones in this game have much more personality.

I just hope we get more original questlines in the future where it isn't just "bad guys want to kill people and we have to stop them." I like stories where it isn't really clear who's in the right, and I like stories that focus on characters' personal desires rather than them just trying to save the world because that's obviously the moral thing to do.

loosely related- I think it's poor practice to end every dlc main quest with 'but wait there's more...tune in next time with your dollars'

oldbobdude · July 2021

Freeflyer212 wrote: »

Tenthirty2 wrote: »

TwinLamps wrote: »

I wish there were only daily or weekly endevors.

This.
I'd be happier with only weeklies tbh, Take whatever the daily totals for the week would be and wrap them up inside a weekly challenge.
So same amount of seals in 7 days, but if there was a night where you'd rather do something else you wouldn't feel like you were missing out on chances to earn seals.
Doing the daily endevs on top of the other dailies I already do is feeling more and more like a side-job rather than gaming.

And before someone says it, just don't.
YES, I know no one is forcing me to do all the dailies, etc.
But when a mount or something costs a RIDICULOUSLY high number of seals then if you want it, you need every seal you can get.
I'm not going to play the Crown Crate gamble game and I don't have tons of monies to throw at crowns either.

So earning seals is the way for me and of course like everything else it's a mini-grind. I just wish it was more spread out.

"Are you playing a game?" "Nope! Working my second shift!"

Hope there is overtime involved. Time and a half endeavor seals maybe?

jssriot · July 2021

Vigarr wrote: »

my other hot take- designing combat around animation cancelling is beyond bad and being the best at animation cancel aka "weaving" on a dummy is nothing to be proud about

They didn't design it around AC, actually. It wasn't suppose to be part of the combat system. Players came up with it, early on in ESO, and for a while it was debated among players over whether it was an exploit because ZOS hadn't taken an official stance on it. Eventually ZOS did, they said more or less that they embraced it, but they didn't really redesign the combat system around it to make it accessible for everyone--they just continued to enable the minority of players who could do it, while ignoring the problems it was creating for the majority players who cannot. It's IMO an accessibility issue stemming from a game design issue.

Raltin · July 2021

what I wanted was for the daily endeavors to give roughly the total sum of tickets the weekly does if you do them all, maybe even make that a juicy little reward for subscribers, so that feasibly subscribers, with hard work, could get most of what they want in a crown crate season without having to spend actual money on the gamble-crates.

What we got was better than nothing, but basically meant only one radiant apex bought with endeavors once per year if you work your butt off to the extreme. Hardly enough to get a few scattered rewards from the non-apex tiers per season if you don't want to buy the apex stuff. EXACTLY what I expected.

*slow clap*

Congratulations ZOS, you continue to keep that bar of my expectations on the rock bottom sea bed of the Mariana Trench, well done.

Iceman_mat · July 2021

My hot take that will get downvoted is:

Not only are fake tanks needed but they are deserved by the very community that complains about them.

Between people running ahead of said tank, running away from said tank (and heals), not doing mechanics, ignoring res or just plainly not doing enough dps...."fake tanks" are the forgone conclusion to all of that.

If anyone who actually plays a tank hasn't been picked up by a guild or just que's with friends, then like myself are probably working towards solo dungeon runs.

Only thing you have to deal with in those are cc mechanics, which you can avoid by just running low cc dungeons.

-cheers

DaiKahn · July 2021

Any race, any alliance was a terrible idea that took away people actually having to make a choice and have pride in their faction

waterfairy · July 2021

jssriot wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

my other hot take- designing combat around animation cancelling is beyond bad and being the best at animation cancel aka "weaving" on a dummy is nothing to be proud about

They didn't design it around AC, actually. It wasn't suppose to be part of the combat system. Players came up with it, early on in ESO, and for a while it was debated among players over whether it was an exploit because ZOS hadn't taken an official stance on it. Eventually ZOS did, they said more or less that they embraced it, but they didn't really redesign the combat system around it to make it accessible for everyone--they just continued to enable the minority of players who could do it, while ignoring the problems it was creating for the majority players who cannot. It's IMO an accessibility issue stemming from a game design issue.

when you design a 1234 rigid system without combos then it seems like animation cancel was the only option to smooth it out...rather then build something better they opted to lean on 'weaving' and started promoting it with skills like the psijic one

waterfairy · July 2021

Iceman_mat wrote: »

My hot take that will get downvoted is:

Not only are fake tanks needed but they are deserved by the very community that complains about them.

Between people running ahead of said tank, running away from said tank (and heals), not doing mechanics, ignoring res or just plainly not doing enough dps...."fake tanks" are the forgone conclusion to all of that.

If anyone who actually plays a tank hasn't been picked up by a guild or just que's with friends, then like myself are probably working towards solo dungeon runs.

Only thing you have to deal with in those are cc mechanics, which you can avoid by just running low cc dungeons.

-cheers

As a dps main I hate fake tanks for cheating the que. Why do you think it's ok for you to cheat the que while the other 2 dps wait? Do you think you're better then the rest of us or some special snowflake that deserves special treatment? If you don't at least taunt and hold aggro on a boss I will vote kick you every time and if I'm in a group with friends we willl wait right before the final boss to kick you just to screw you over.

SidraWillowsky · July 2021

Iceman_mat wrote: »

My hot take that will get downvoted is:

Not only are fake tanks needed but they are deserved by the very community that complains about them.

Between people running ahead of said tank, running away from said tank (and heals), not doing mechanics, ignoring res or just plainly not doing enough dps...."fake tanks" are the forgone conclusion to all of that.

If anyone who actually plays a tank hasn't been picked up by a guild or just que's with friends, then like myself are probably working towards solo dungeon runs.

Only thing you have to deal with in those are cc mechanics, which you can avoid by just running low cc dungeons.

-cheers

Fake tanks are what go us into this mess in the first place. Nowadays I get more fake tanks than I do legit tanks, and people just sprint ahead of them because... why wait for another DPS, I guess? They get so used to this that it seems to have just become the norm for people to run ahead with no consideration for the rest of the group, even when people are actually specced for the role they queued for. I now see people doing this neat thing where they run through and try to pull all mobs to a boss to fight them all at once. It both 1. doesn't work in some of the more difficult vet dungeons, and everyone wipes, and/or 2. keeps me in a perpetual in-combat state for the entire damn dungeon.

Pug dungeons used to be a lot of fun most of the time, even with groups that may have struggled. Everyone was correctly specced and people actually talked to each other in group chat (hell, even just saying "hi" at the start), so it was possible to create a sense of camaraderie.

These days, I won't even pug normal dungeons. Other players' behavior is atrocious. God help the newer player who gets into these awful groups...

Mik195 · July 2021

DaiKahn wrote: »

Any race, any alliance was a terrible idea that took away people actually having to make a choice and have pride in their faction

I assure you that even if I was forced to pick a faction, I'd still think factions and the war are stupid. I even want to slap Bastian when he goes "for glory!" because my character isn't about glory, but about fixing what's broken.

Agenericname · July 2021

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Iceman_mat wrote: »

My hot take that will get downvoted is:

Not only are fake tanks needed but they are deserved by the very community that complains about them.

Between people running ahead of said tank, running away from said tank (and heals), not doing mechanics, ignoring res or just plainly not doing enough dps...."fake tanks" are the forgone conclusion to all of that.

If anyone who actually plays a tank hasn't been picked up by a guild or just que's with friends, then like myself are probably working towards solo dungeon runs.

Only thing you have to deal with in those are cc mechanics, which you can avoid by just running low cc dungeons.

-cheers

Fake tanks are what go us into this mess in the first place. Nowadays I get more fake tanks than I do legit tanks, and people just sprint ahead of them because... why wait for another DPS, I guess? They get so used to this that it seems to have just become the norm for people to run ahead with no consideration for the rest of the group, even when people are actually specced for the role they queued for. I now see people doing this neat thing where they run through and try to pull all mobs to a boss to fight them all at once. It both 1. doesn't work in some of the more difficult vet dungeons, and everyone wipes, and/or 2. keeps me in a perpetual in-combat state for the entire damn dungeon.

Pug dungeons used to be a lot of fun most of the time, even with groups that may have struggled. Everyone was correctly specced and people actually talked to each other in group chat (hell, even just saying "hi" at the start), so it was possible to create a sense of camaraderie.

These days, I won't even pug normal dungeons. Other players' behavior is atrocious. God help the newer player who gets into these awful groups...

Thats debatable.

I believe what they're saying is that tanks are adversely effected by the antics of DDs and healers. Some tanks enjoy their role. When you zone in and they're at the boss already, or they rush ahead and make a big mess of the pull, what was the point of you being there in the first place?

The inevitable outcome to a scenario where tanks either arent needed, or in some cases, arent wanted, is that they will find somewhere that they are, or play a different role.

I think an argument could made that fake tanks are the result of several factors not necessarily the cause of them.

waterfairy · July 2021

Agenericname wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Iceman_mat wrote: »

My hot take that will get downvoted is:

Not only are fake tanks needed but they are deserved by the very community that complains about them.

Between people running ahead of said tank, running away from said tank (and heals), not doing mechanics, ignoring res or just plainly not doing enough dps...."fake tanks" are the forgone conclusion to all of that.

If anyone who actually plays a tank hasn't been picked up by a guild or just que's with friends, then like myself are probably working towards solo dungeon runs.

Only thing you have to deal with in those are cc mechanics, which you can avoid by just running low cc dungeons.

-cheers

Fake tanks are what go us into this mess in the first place. Nowadays I get more fake tanks than I do legit tanks, and people just sprint ahead of them because... why wait for another DPS, I guess? They get so used to this that it seems to have just become the norm for people to run ahead with no consideration for the rest of the group, even when people are actually specced for the role they queued for. I now see people doing this neat thing where they run through and try to pull all mobs to a boss to fight them all at once. It both 1. doesn't work in some of the more difficult vet dungeons, and everyone wipes, and/or 2. keeps me in a perpetual in-combat state for the entire damn dungeon.

Pug dungeons used to be a lot of fun most of the time, even with groups that may have struggled. Everyone was correctly specced and people actually talked to each other in group chat (hell, even just saying "hi" at the start), so it was possible to create a sense of camaraderie.

These days, I won't even pug normal dungeons. Other players' behavior is atrocious. God help the newer player who gets into these awful groups...

Thats debatable.

I believe what they're saying is that tanks are adversely effected by the antics of DDs and healers. Some tanks enjoy their role. When you zone in and they're at the boss already, or they rush ahead and make a big mess of the pull, what was the point of you being there in the first place?

The inevitable outcome to a scenario where tanks either arent needed, or in some cases, arent wanted, is that they will find somewhere that they are, or play a different role.

I think an argument could made that fake tanks are the result of several factors not necessarily the cause of them.

if you're in a pug as a tank and a dps rushes ahead, let them and wait til they die then leave them lying there as a lesson not to run ahead of the group

the tank should be the 1 to set the pace

Ergele · July 2021

vet overland seems to be a hot take

Freeflyer212 · July 2021

Dragonredux wrote: »

If Engulfing Flames and Stagger didn't exist, DK tanks would get dropped off the face of Tamriel. Besides Iron Skin, I really don't get where their so called "tankiness" comes from.

I thought tnaks were more of a supportive role. Buff the team and keep the Boss focused on them

Agenericname wrote: »

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Iceman_mat wrote: »

My hot take that will get downvoted is:

Not only are fake tanks needed but they are deserved by the very community that complains about them.

Between people running ahead of said tank, running away from said tank (and heals), not doing mechanics, ignoring res or just plainly not doing enough dps...."fake tanks" are the forgone conclusion to all of that.

If anyone who actually plays a tank hasn't been picked up by a guild or just que's with friends, then like myself are probably working towards solo dungeon runs.

Only thing you have to deal with in those are cc mechanics, which you can avoid by just running low cc dungeons.

-cheers

Fake tanks are what go us into this mess in the first place. Nowadays I get more fake tanks than I do legit tanks, and people just sprint ahead of them because... why wait for another DPS, I guess? They get so used to this that it seems to have just become the norm for people to run ahead with no consideration for the rest of the group, even when people are actually specced for the role they queued for. I now see people doing this neat thing where they run through and try to pull all mobs to a boss to fight them all at once. It both 1. doesn't work in some of the more difficult vet dungeons, and everyone wipes, and/or 2. keeps me in a perpetual in-combat state for the entire damn dungeon.

Pug dungeons used to be a lot of fun most of the time, even with groups that may have struggled. Everyone was correctly specced and people actually talked to each other in group chat (hell, even just saying "hi" at the start), so it was possible to create a sense of camaraderie.

These days, I won't even pug normal dungeons. Other players' behavior is atrocious. God help the newer player who gets into these awful groups...

Thats debatable.

I believe what they're saying is that tanks are adversely effected by the antics of DDs and healers. Some tanks enjoy their role. When you zone in and they're at the boss already, or they rush ahead and make a big mess of the pull, what was the point of you being there in the first place?

The inevitable outcome to a scenario where tanks either arent needed, or in some cases, arent wanted, is that they will find somewhere that they are, or play a different role.

I think an argument could made that fake tanks are the result of several factors not necessarily the cause of them.

Forgive my nativity, but what is a fake tank exactly?

Supreme_Atromancer · July 2021

Someone who queues as a tank for random groups but has no intention to tank. Usually dps who don't want to wait like everyone else, I guess.

@Freeflyer212

Supreme_Atromancer · July 2021

Fake tanks, fake heals, fake dps - everyone wants to blame someone else and the arguments all centre around who is justified, with every camp trying to leverage morality.

Hot take, though: @SidraWillowsky is right, but its because everyone is so uptight and no one wants to compromise in the slightest. Pugs might have once been great, but these days, at least, its all "f you guys, I'm here for me and IDGAF what you need", and everyone's on edge and jittering around the trigger just waiting to be called out or P'd off with someone for being this or not doing that. Pugs are stressful and [snip] and no amount of coding role tests or better tutorials or new types of queue will take away that its become an angry, toxic cesspit of a community, and that's not ZOS' fault.

Minor edit for profanity bypass.]

waterfairy · July 2021

Dragonredux wrote: »

If Engulfing Flames and Stagger didn't exist, DK tanks would get dropped off the face of Tamriel. Besides Iron Skin, I really don't get where their so called "tankiness" comes from.

lol the tanky ultimate, skills and passives makes DK 1 of the best standalone tanks that don't need support. I can slot inner beast on my dps DK and switch 2 skills to be a solid tank without sword and shield

Freeflyer212 · July 2021

Vigarr wrote: »

Dragonredux wrote: »

If Engulfing Flames and Stagger didn't exist, DK tanks would get dropped off the face of Tamriel. Besides Iron Skin, I really don't get where their so called "tankiness" comes from.

lol the tanky ultimate, skills and passives makes DK 1 of the best standalone tanks that don't need support. I can slot inner beast on my dps DK and switch 2 skills to be a solid tank without sword and shield

I didn't know that was possible! I have to try with mines.

Amerises · July 2021

1) Endeavor rewards are too low to focus on it. I have 1000 coins already just by playing the game. Kind of a waste of time to focus on them IMO.

2) Litterally gueued for vet FG2, had a fake tank and fake healer, second boss killed fake healer so he left, and the other two kept dying so I left... Something needs to be done, litterally that should never happen. If healer slotted one or two heals and tank slotted a taunt and just blocked, we would be fine. For some reason that's too much to ask for...

spartaxoxo · July 2021

Amerises wrote: »

1) Endeavor rewards are too low to focus on it. I have 1000 coins already just by playing the game. Kind of a waste of time to focus on them IMO.

2) Litterally gueued for vet FG2, had a fake tank and fake healer, second boss killed fake healer so he left, and the other two kept dying so I left... Something needs to be done, litterally that should never happen. If healer slotted one or two heals and tank slotted a taunt and just blocked, we would be fine. For some reason that's too much to ask for...

I kick every fake that don't have a taunt. If you have a taunt, I don't care about add pulls not being as controlled. And frankly I'm confused why so many people are obsessed with how they go. The only thing I care about is successfully clearing bosses tbh.

waterfairy · July 2021

Freeflyer212 wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Dragonredux wrote: »

If Engulfing Flames and Stagger didn't exist, DK tanks would get dropped off the face of Tamriel. Besides Iron Skin, I really don't get where their so called "tankiness" comes from.

lol the tanky ultimate, skills and passives makes DK 1 of the best standalone tanks that don't need support. I can slot inner beast on my dps DK and switch 2 skills to be a solid tank without sword and shield

I didn't know that was possible! I have to try with mines.

it should be noted that I wear a heavy chest piece and have built my toon for solo play so your experience might be different. I have dual wield on back so I can hit them with dots that bleed them while healing me and reduce my aoe dmg by 20%

OutLaw_Nynx · July 2021

Target dummies give people a false sense of being good.

I’ve met people with 100k DPS that just don’t know or care about mechanics in trials or dungeons. Like… you ain’t doing us good by being dead.

Freeflyer212 · July 2021

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Target dummies give people a false sense of being good.

I’ve met people with 100k DPS that just don’t know or care about mechanics in trials or dungeons. Like… you ain’t doing us good by being dead.

Welp, I just let people rush in and die. I don't bother even trying when you have those type of people. If you succeed good! That's less work for me. If you die oh well!

WiseSky · July 2021

My Hot Take is that Some people are Controlling the Crown Prices... On PC NA went from 180 to 750.

Doubled once Endeavors came out....

waterfairy · July 2021

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Target dummies give people a false sense of being good.

I’ve met people with 100k DPS that just don’t know or care about mechanics in trials or dungeons. Like… you ain’t doing us good by being dead.

I keep telling people that those glass cannoms are only good for trials with good healers...your dps is 0 on the floor

Oberon45 · July 2021

My Hot Take: The best PVE zone in the game is Cyrodiil. Plenty of room to roam and explore without a creature behind every single rock or tree. Lots of little interesting things off the beaten path if you take the time to really look. Multiple environments from snowy to forest to plains.

SickleCider · July 2021

Trial leaders that do extremely regimented runs and who spend half the time scolding people for setting a toe out of line are actually hurting the run.