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Bastian has some serious food issues.
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he literally just decreased rapport over me eating (or is it cooking?)... firsthold fruit and cheese plate. is this seriously intended??? he doesn't seem to lose rapport when I use those crown chicken dinners ZoS keeps throwing at us (not that I'm complaining about chicken dinners, they are great) but kinda makes me wonder. crown food vs non crown food. because there is no alcohol in this dish, its just grapes and cheese. its just food. what in a world?
dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***
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LanteanPegasus✭✭✭✭✭It's the cooking. He really dislikes cheese. Other foods are fine.
And contrary to some forum rumours he has no problem whatsoever with alcohol.Edited by LanteanPegasus on July 6, 2021 7:51AM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I see... so he is one of those people who disapprove of others enjoying something that they cannot have. and I was just starting to almost like him...dirty worthless casual.
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LanteanPegasus✭✭✭✭✭I see... so he is one of those people who disapprove of others enjoying something that they cannot have. and I was just starting to almost like him...
I guess it's more about you handling stuff that makes him queasy right under his nose. *shrug*
You can "enjoy" cheese in his company, and he won't say a thing against it. At least I just ate said cheese plate right in front of him, and he was fine.
If you drag your "cheese makes my stomach do bad things" friend with you to a darn cheese cooking session I'd say the fault is with you, not them.13 -
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✭✭LanteanPegasus wrote: »I see... so he is one of those people who disapprove of others enjoying something that they cannot have. and I was just starting to almost like him...
I guess it's more about you handling stuff that makes him queasy right under his nose. *shrug*
You can "enjoy" cheese in his company, and he won't say a thing against it. At least I just ate said cheese plate right in front of him, and he was fine.
If you drag your "cheese makes my stomach do bad things" friend with you to a darn cheese cooking session I'd say the fault is with you, not them.
Players are not mind readers. Bastion could have given a heads up: “Hey, um, before you start cooking, can I just share that I’m lactose intolerant/cheese hater/whinging manchild who will stand there giving you sideway judging looks while you labour over the cauldron?”
This one did NOT begrudge collecting mammoth cheese in front of him today
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Metalfyre✭✭✭I've an issue with Mirri this way. I sometimes grab hold of torchbugs for their torchbug thorax, which I need to make certain buff food, Mirri dislikes me grabbing these torchbugs and rapport decreases. She's fine with you killing goblins, steal, pick pocket etc. But she can't stand it if you kill a bug.
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✭✭✭✭✭LanteanPegasus wrote: »I see... so he is one of those people who disapprove of others enjoying something that they cannot have. and I was just starting to almost like him...
I guess it's more about you handling stuff that makes him queasy right under his nose. *shrug*
You can "enjoy" cheese in his company, and he won't say a thing against it. At least I just ate said cheese plate right in front of him, and he was fine.
If you drag your "cheese makes my stomach do bad things" friend with you to a darn cheese cooking session I'd say the fault is with you, not them.
hey I'm lactose intolerant in RL so I understand exactly what cheese does to his stomach. which is not the same as being queasy around cheese or complaining that someone cooks with cheese. digestive issues are valid and its not like I'm making him eat it. /shrug
incidentally, I've neve seen that dialogue before or even during cooking, so how was i supposed to know that cheese was the issue?dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***2 -
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✭✭✭I've an issue with Mirri this way. I sometimes grab hold of torchbugs for their torchbug thorax, which I need to make certain buff food, Mirri dislikes me grabbing these torchbugs and rapport decreases. She's fine with you killing goblins, steal, pick pocket etc. But she can't stand it if you kill a bug.
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She is a lush, but can't handle you using bugs that have no other source....
I can live with that, but losing rapport because we make a daily food requirement is quite inane.PC
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✭I really don't like how they implemented the rapport system with these petty dislikes. It's one thing to have they object to you doing things that are contrary to their moral alignment, like with murdering innocents or doing DB stuff, but for random things that are just personal dislikes, they should have just left it with companions saying negative comments and no negative rapport. They did that with harbors and Mirri--they should have done that with a lot for these minor negative rapport things. Like what does it accomplish to get -1 rappott from cooking something or grabbing a bug?PC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think the implications is that when you cook, you're also cooking for the companion. You're both on the open road together. So Bastian don't like it when you cook something he can't eat but don't care if you eat it yourself5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »I think the implications is that when you cook, you're also cooking for the companion. You're both on the open road together. So Bastian don't like it when you cook something he can't eat but don't care if you eat it yourself
that still sounds selfish as heck. there are things that I eat that my SO doesn't. and the other way around. neither of us are upset at each other when cooking separate dishes or personalizing them. he doesn't have to eat cheese just because I cooked it for myself. if he doesn't mind me eating it, then his dislike is petulant. and arbitrary. especially since I was cooking inside an inn.. don't want cheese? the chef selling other food is right. there. /shrug
dirty worthless casual.
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Wait is this a legit conversation he can have? I've been busy trying to train Mirri first so I haven't had him up much....0 -
Cheese is the ambrosia of the gods; should grant a massive rapport GAIN!7
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✭✭✭I think that it is interesting that our companions have these little dislikes, gives them more personality.Edited by Lugaldu on July 7, 2021 11:55AM0 -
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✭priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO wrote: »Cheese is the ambrosia of the gods; should grant a massive rapport GAIN!
Not if you're poor Bastian and apparently have lactose intolerance lol.
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EmEm_Oh✭✭✭✭✭I think that it is interesting that our companions have these little dislikes, gives them more personality.
Would be nice if they'd add more spoken lines, however. For a companion release where it's supposed to have an impact on gameplay, I would expect a plethora of different lines for the typical encounters we participate in across the zones. In a delve, in a dungeon, fighting world bosses, being in specific zones, fighting harrowstorms, etc.3 -
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✭✭✭I think that it is interesting that our companions have these little dislikes, gives them more personality.
Would be nice if they'd add more spoken lines, however. For a companion release where it's supposed to have an impact on gameplay, I would expect a plethora of different lines for the typical encounters we participate in across the zones. In a delve, in a dungeon, fighting world bosses, being in specific zones, fighting harrowstorms, etc.
Definitely, I really hope that existing companions will receive updates in the future. I mean, we "grow together" with them in a certain way and it would be cool if they comment on new things or situations from time to time.
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✭I think that it is interesting that our companions have these little dislikes, gives them more personality.
Would be nice if they'd add more spoken lines, however. For a companion release where it's supposed to have an impact on gameplay, I would expect a plethora of different lines for the typical encounters we participate in across the zones. In a delve, in a dungeon, fighting world bosses, being in specific zones, fighting harrowstorms, etc.
Definitely, I really hope that existing companions will receive updates in the future. I mean, we "grow together" with them in a certain way and it would be cool if they comment on new things or situations from time to time.
I would love more lines. I'd also love if we could properly give them food, if not for the stats than just so that we can give them a gift. I really want to give them a gift. And then maybe their rapport increases or decreases depending on what the gift was.1 -
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✭Dislikes the use of cheese... hmm... hmmmm!
Do I smell another bad prank from old uncle Sheo? 3:)0 -
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✭✭✭I'd also love if we could properly give them food, if not for the stats than just so that we can give them a gift. I really want to give them a gift. And then maybe their rapport increases or decreases depending on what the gift was.
I wish that too. There was this really funny Skyrim Mod Sofia and you could always give her some gifts to increase the relationship. Hopefully we will see something like that added in ESO too, earlier or later.
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✭✭✭I'd also love if we could properly give them food, if not for the stats than just so that we can give them a gift. I really want to give them a gift. And then maybe their rapport increases or decreases depending on what the gift was.
I wish that too. There was this really funny Skyrim Mod Sofia and you could always give her some gifts to increase the relationship. Hopefully we will see something like that added in ESO too, earlier or later.
She was a great mod follower! I don't remember if I ever gave her gifts, but her comments were hilarious.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »I think the implications is that when you cook, you're also cooking for the companion. You're both on the open road together. So Bastian don't like it when you cook something he can't eat but don't care if you eat it yourself
that still sounds selfish as heck. there are things that I eat that my SO doesn't. and the other way around. neither of us are upset at each other when cooking separate dishes or personalizing them. he doesn't have to eat cheese just because I cooked it for myself. if he doesn't mind me eating it, then his dislike is petulant. and arbitrary. especially since I was cooking inside an inn.. don't want cheese? the chef selling other food is right. there. /shrug
If you're on the open road and sharing meals, someone making a meal that another can't eat means you have to either waste precious resources or eat less that day. Whenever I go camping the food that is made is enjoyable by all. And I imagine that food on the road on eso is closer to camping (needs to be conserved, everyone shares) rather than modern home life.
I think it's more normal for him to dislike he's being forced to spend money on food at the inn because you only cooked for yourself or if he's on the open road being forced to eat around the cheese then caring about what you eat?Edited by spartaxoxo on July 7, 2021 4:44PM0 -
khyrkat✭✭✭✭priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO wrote: »Cheese is the ambrosia of the gods; should grant a massive rapport GAIN!
You're casting pearls before swine...
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »I think the implications is that when you cook, you're also cooking for the companion. You're both on the open road together. So Bastian don't like it when you cook something he can't eat but don't care if you eat it yourself
that still sounds selfish as heck. there are things that I eat that my SO doesn't. and the other way around. neither of us are upset at each other when cooking separate dishes or personalizing them. he doesn't have to eat cheese just because I cooked it for myself. if he doesn't mind me eating it, then his dislike is petulant. and arbitrary. especially since I was cooking inside an inn.. don't want cheese? the chef selling other food is right. there. /shrug
If you're on the open road and sharing meals, someone making a meal that another can't eat means you have to either waste precious resources or eat less that day. Whenever I go camping the food that is made is enjoyable by all. And I imagine that food on the road on eso is closer to camping (needs to be conserved, everyone shares) rather than modern home life.
I think it's more normal for him to dislike he's being forced to spend money on food at the inn because you only cooked for yourself or if he's on the open road being forced to eat around the cheese then caring about what you eat?
but... i'm making it while in a city. no one is forcing him to eat the cheese ever (since we cannot actualy feed companions) and what do you even mean eating around the cheese?, or spend money at the inn (although how did that poor boy ever fed himself before we started traveling together... some of the time... I guess we'll never now /eyeroll). he could if he is that bothered, but its food I'm making for myself. there is nothing normal about it, unless being a selfish git is normal (then again). also... I'm not his owner or employer. he is my companion, why am I responsible for all of our food again? when have we discussed and agreed on that? ARE we sharing meals (as in I carry food and give him some of it, rather then eating next to each other?)
I would understand if I ever just gotten that comment... and not much else. I even get when he gets disapproving as we are stealing (I just don't steal around him). but cooking is just so arbitrary... and doesn't do his characters any favors. get over yourself, Bastian.Edited by Linaleah on July 7, 2021 7:06PMdirty worthless casual.
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✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »I think the implications is that when you cook, you're also cooking for the companion. You're both on the open road together. So Bastian don't like it when you cook something he can't eat but don't care if you eat it yourself
that still sounds selfish as heck. there are things that I eat that my SO doesn't. and the other way around. neither of us are upset at each other when cooking separate dishes or personalizing them. he doesn't have to eat cheese just because I cooked it for myself. if he doesn't mind me eating it, then his dislike is petulant. and arbitrary. especially since I was cooking inside an inn.. don't want cheese? the chef selling other food is right. there. /shrug
If you're on the open road and sharing meals, someone making a meal that another can't eat means you have to either waste precious resources or eat less that day. Whenever I go camping the food that is made is enjoyable by all. And I imagine that food on the road on eso is closer to camping (needs to be conserved, everyone shares) rather than modern home life.
I think it's more normal for him to dislike he's being forced to spend money on food at the inn because you only cooked for yourself or if he's on the open road being forced to eat around the cheese then caring about what you eat?
but... i'm making it while in a city. no one is forcing him to eat the cheese ever (since we cannot actualy feed companions) and what do you even mean eating around the cheese?, or spend money at the inn (although how did that poor boy ever fed himself before we started traveling together... some of the time... I guess we'll never now /eyeroll). he could if he is that bothered, but its food I'm making for myself. there is nothing normal about it, unless being a selfish git is normal (then again). also... I'm not his owner or employer. he is my companion, why am I responsible for all of our food again? when have we discussed and agreed on that? ARE we sharing meals (as in I carry food and give him some of it, rather then eating next to each other?)
I would understand if I ever just gotten that comment... and not much else. I even get when he gets disapproving as we are stealing (I just don't steal around him). but cooking is just so arbitrary... and doesn't do his characters any favors. get over yourself, Bastian.
I think this is why I'd prefer this to be something that happens after you give him a cheese related gift (instead of after you use provisioning). It does seem rather ridiculous. Most people are going to be making their provisioning stuff in a city, not in a cooking pot in the middle of nowhere (which I know there are some).
It just feels like Basian is looking over your shoulder like "Oooh whatcha cooking? Wait cheese? That's disgusting. I hate you."
And I mean...that mental image is kind of funny. But still weird.Edited by Wolf_Eye on July 7, 2021 7:28PM3 -
ZOS_KevinCommunity ManagerThanks for clarifying this, @LanteanPegasus! And that is a great screen grab of Bastian's line about cheese, @hcbigdogdoghc.Community Manager for ZeniMax Online Studio and Elder Scrolls OnlineDev Tracker | Service Alerts | ESO Twitter2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »I think the implications is that when you cook, you're also cooking for the companion. You're both on the open road together. So Bastian don't like it when you cook something he can't eat but don't care if you eat it yourself
that still sounds selfish as heck. there are things that I eat that my SO doesn't. and the other way around. neither of us are upset at each other when cooking separate dishes or personalizing them. he doesn't have to eat cheese just because I cooked it for myself. if he doesn't mind me eating it, then his dislike is petulant. and arbitrary. especially since I was cooking inside an inn.. don't want cheese? the chef selling other food is right. there. /shrug
If you're on the open road and sharing meals, someone making a meal that another can't eat means you have to either waste precious resources or eat less that day. Whenever I go camping the food that is made is enjoyable by all. And I imagine that food on the road on eso is closer to camping (needs to be conserved, everyone shares) rather than modern home life.
I think it's more normal for him to dislike he's being forced to spend money on food at the inn because you only cooked for yourself or if he's on the open road being forced to eat around the cheese then caring about what you eat?
but... i'm making it while in a city. no one is forcing him to eat the cheese ever (since we cannot actualy feed companions) and what do you even mean eating around the cheese?, or spend money at the inn (although how did that poor boy ever fed himself before we started traveling together... some of the time... I guess we'll never now /eyeroll). he could if he is that bothered, but its food I'm making for myself. there is nothing normal about it, unless being a selfish git is normal (then again). also... I'm not his owner or employer. he is my companion, why am I responsible for all of our food again? when have we discussed and agreed on that? ARE we sharing meals (as in I carry food and give him some of it, rather then eating next to each other?)
I would understand if I ever just gotten that comment... and not much else. I even get when he gets disapproving as we are stealing (I just don't steal around him). but cooking is just so arbitrary... and doesn't do his characters any favors. get over yourself, Bastian.
I think what we do in gameplay is not always supposed to be what's happening in game, personally. Otherwise are heroes never sleep, never use the toilet, and just collects furniture out of mice.
I would assume your companions in lore travel with you like they would irl. They pool resources like food and water and shelter while maintaing their own money and physical property (swords, axes, etc.). So little comments like these make sense to me. Your mileage may vary ofc.0