I wish ESO had a trading hub

ApoAlaia · July 2021

tohopka_eso wrote: »

I thought like you did OP in the beginning. I came from a few different MMO's (I never played WoW so not sure how that one is).

I use to play EQ when the trading was in a tunnel and people just say what wares they were selling. Then they added an actual Hub, but only so many people could use it and you had to compete with bots.

I wanted a central but then remember how inflated prices can be from the bots. I also play FF14 and hate there trading system after getting use to ESO, mainly again, fighting with bots.

I finally understand the way ESO works and almost the why.

The only other MMO I had an involvement with the trading system in was FFXI and that was a PITA; RMT was something much more insidious in that game than it is in ESO and the AH was their tool of choice.

In ESO 99.9% of the time I am wholly unaware of their presence where in FFXI they were ubiquitous; whatever activity you took part on you knew you would be competing with - and often losing to - them.

Therefore flawed as it is I will take ESO's decentralised 'guild system' over anything 'centralised'.

DaiKahn · July 2021

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

Go play Path of Exile and let me know what you think after trading there. I'm not saying your thoughts aren't valid, just that ESO's Guild Traders aren't too bad when compared with some other games trading systems, especially ones you may not have played

AlnilamE · July 2021

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

You may not like it, and that's fine, but it's not non-sensical to have a distributed trading system.

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You can use guild finder to join a trade guild with no dues. Because of the use of TTC, people do visit smaller out of the way trader spots. Saying it is not friendly to people not in big guilds just simply isn't true.

The fact that TTC is needed for PC in the first place showcases the problematic design of ESO's trading system, and highlights the need of a central trading center.

TTC is not needed for PC. Lots of people don't use it or even know it exists.

Austacker wrote: »

I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.

I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.

I don't. I actually find AH's to be immersion-breaking. Also, doesn't WoW have multiple servers and each has their own AH?

Reverb · July 2021

I really like the idea of a city filled with dozens of guild traders. It adds convenience without taking anything away from the existing system.

Presumably the biggest traders would jockey for position there and move out of Rawl, Vivec, Mournhold, etc, and those traders would be open to the less hardcore guilds. Ideally it would also lower the price of traders by increasing the overall number of them, and make it easier for startup trade guilds to get footing.

UGotBenched91 · July 2021

Why does this game rely on so many outside sources? Want to talk to randoms in voice chat? Well you better go set up a discord and share that code and wait for everyone to join. Want to find an item you’re looking for? Better go to a third party site and search for items that’s re only listed if they are already viewed otherwise run around Tamriel like a headless chicken checking guild stores until you find it.

AlnilamE · July 2021

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

Why does this game rely on so many outside sources? Want to talk to randoms in voice chat? Well you better go set up a discord and share that code and wait for everyone to join. Want to find an item you’re looking for? Better go to a third party site and search for items that’s re only listed if they are already viewed otherwise run around Tamriel like a headless chicken checking guild stores until you find it.

I really don't want other players chatting on my surround sound, thank you.

wolfie1.0. · July 2021

Austacker wrote: »

I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.

I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.

Honest question here, what would you be willing to give up to trade economic models? Would you be willing to go through a full server wipe and reset? Because that's what it would take to change models at this point and not invite economic disaster.

BlueRaven · July 2021

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

Why does this game rely on so many outside sources? Want to talk to randoms in voice chat? Well you better go set up a discord and share that code and wait for everyone to join. Want to find an item you’re looking for? Better go to a third party site and search for items that’s re only listed if they are already viewed otherwise run around Tamriel like a headless chicken checking guild stores until you find it.

I played fallout 76 where this open mic communication exists or at least existed. Hearing an argument in someone’s house on an open mic, or someone else’s music choice, or even them loudly sharing their political preferences… No thank you.

PizzaCat82 · July 2021

Having a ton of traders would be... a nightmare for those without TTC.

People would simply get bored of searching trader after trader for stuff, so the guilds who got traders away from the wayshrine or whatever would get a small drip of customers.

wolfie1.0. · July 2021

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You can use guild finder to join a trade guild with no dues. Because of the use of TTC, people do visit smaller out of the way trader spots. Saying it is not friendly to people not in big guilds just simply isn't true.

The fact that TTC is needed for PC in the first place showcases the problematic design of ESO's trading system, and highlights the need of a central trading center.

TTC isn't needed. Trading happened before TTC just fine. TTC is a tool and a useful one at that. But it isn't infallible, and here is the big difference between TTC and a global AH. It's that TTC is player driven. If players decided that TTC is done and remove the addon. Then it's done. No ZOS dev involvement needed. If players want it to advertise their traders then done. This is no different that people posting in chats and forums about the items they have listed.

Vevvev · July 2021

I personally like the current trading system due to how it promotes a competitive market. With an auction house all the deals would get snagged instantly, but with the current system someone has to physically go to the location to buy it.

PizzaCat82 · July 2021

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

But it isn't infallible, and here is the big difference between TTC and a global AH. It's that TTC is player driven. If players decided that TTC is done and remove the addon. Then it's done. No ZOS dev involvement needed. If players want it to advertise their traders then done. This is no different that people posting in chats and forums about the items they have listed.

Yes, everyone would remove TTC and make the game harder... because they can? Unless they're not on PC, in which case they don't have TTC to begin with.

I'm pretty sure this thread is going to balloon to 15+ pages because I keep seeing the argument that apparently "Posting in chats and forums" is perfectly acceptable for people to do (except it would make the game 100x worse) and that the status quo is okay because I personally benefit from it and would not benefit from the alternative as much, even if it would improve the game for everyone else.

Reverb · July 2021

Vevvev wrote: »

I personally like the current trading system due to how it promotes a competitive market. With an auction house all the deals would get snagged instantly, but with the current system someone has to physically go to the location to buy it.

OP isn’t suggesting an auction house though. Did you respond to the title without reading any of the post? It’s a short post, but I’ll make it even shorter for you. OP is asking for:

a district that has tons of guild traders. Maybe even 50 or more. It would be a nice place to go shopping

zelaminator · July 2021

Reverb wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

I personally like the current trading system due to how it promotes a competitive market. With an auction house all the deals would get snagged instantly, but with the current system someone has to physically go to the location to buy it.

OP isn’t suggesting an auction house though. Did you respond to the title without reading any of the post? It’s a short post, but I’ll make it even shorter for you. OP is asking for:

a district that has tons of guild traders. Maybe even 50 or more. It would be a nice place to go shopping

People can respond to other posts than the OP..

UGotBenched91 · July 2021

@AlnilamE thats nice but everyone’s different.

UGotBenched91 · July 2021

BlueRaven wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

Why does this game rely on so many outside sources? Want to talk to randoms in voice chat? Well you better go set up a discord and share that code and wait for everyone to join. Want to find an item you’re looking for? Better go to a third party site and search for items that’s re only listed if they are already viewed otherwise run around Tamriel like a headless chicken checking guild stores until you find it.

I played fallout 76 where this open mic communication exists or at least existed. Hearing an argument in someone’s house on an open mic, or someone else’s music choice, or even them loudly sharing their political preferences… No thank you.

I mean it’s easy to dismiss if you just use the worst case scenario. Played ESO on Xbox for 3 years and had one toxic experience on mic. A lot of experiences were fun discussion and how I made a lot of my friends. People always jump tot he sky is falling when any discussion is made about socializing.

But op is referring to trade houses and I don’t want to get off topic anymore.

yeey · July 2021

No.

bzz86 · July 2021

While I understand where people are coming from as I came from wow/rift etc.. etc.... I still feel like it changes things a little if you have to look to find a good price and makes market more competitive. If there would be 1 unified auction house prices would be more 'in line' I guess; and so much easier for people to flood the market. Some people might remember the time where if you had enough gold you went and bought out an item and then put it all on the market with higher price in wow. I don't know if people still do that ;-) Didn't play in years ;-)

Kidgangster101 · July 2021

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

LyricsEcho wrote: »

Rawl ka, vivec, mournhold, stormhold not enough?

It's every zone capital has 5-6, plus the random small traders. ESO's system makes you do work if you want to buy, and that means peopoe can charge differing amounts based on location. You want quick and easy access? Go to Mournhold and pay the markup. YOu want a deal? Go track something down at a smaller trader at a crossroads.

Tamrieltradecentre.com does exist if you need to search.

... it exists for 33% of the player base. It does not exist for the majority of the players. Console players do not have an api to hit, and thus our data does not get added to TTC.

I would think that in some cases that is a blessing.

Flipping on console must be significantly more labour intensive - thus less prevalent - than on PC.

Besides you will never know the feeling of consistently 'arriving too late to the party', which is what I have been experiencing lately with the wretched Blackwood treasure maps.

Yeah and you also never have that feeling of spending 4 hours going through each and every zone to just find out that the 1 item you are looking for isn't on any trader......

Pick your poison here no way to search for items and wasting my night makes me just log out of frustration. It actually caused me to go back to ff14 (which has a pretty stable AUCTION HOUSE) so yeah.......

I really love PC players going "just use this third party tool that is very similar to an AUCTION HOUSE.... but we don't need one in the game" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

ThePianist · July 2021

I also like the idea that sniper guilds can take off a dominant trader guild, just for the lulz.

At one point, Columbine was 600g each because about 3 dominant trading guilds got sniped by sniper guilds that have no stock.

Tri pots are overrated anyway. I’m starting to like those Alliance health pots, the one that gives cc immunity and invisible at the same time ;D

BenevolentBowd · July 2021

There are over 200 Trading Hubs and increasing...

starkerealm · July 2021

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Maybe this has been mentioned before but it would be great to have a city (ideally Imperial City) where there is a district that has tons of guild traders. Maybe even 50 or more. It would be a nice place to go shopping. Currently, I have to hop between about four cities before I finally settle on a trader to buy from.

Okay, so, normally, yeah, this gets mentioned all the time. But the idea of the market district in a post-invasion version of the IC that is absolutely swarming with stalls (possibly mirroring guilds from out in the provinces) would be really cool.

AlnilamE · July 2021

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

@AlnilamE thats nice but everyone’s different.

Yes. So, I play ESO on my TV, and I use my laptop for comms. So I have the game on surround sound and I have a headset for TS/Discord.

One of my guildies uses her phone.

Also, since a lot of my guildies play different games, restricting comms to ESO only would not be helpful. Right now, we can all hang out while playing different games, and then split into a sub-channel if an activity requires more attention.

So, having in-game comms might be useful for randoms, but it would not be for guild socializing.

jircris11 · July 2021

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

Issye with other mmos teade systems it creates stagnant prices no computition. I mean look at wow or gw2 stuff is listed as low as the system alliws so there is like 40million copper ore for 4 copper. Want to sell yours? You have no choice but to add it to that 40m queue.

kargen27 · July 2021

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Having a ton of traders would be... a nightmare for those without TTC.

People would simply get bored of searching trader after trader for stuff, so the guilds who got traders away from the wayshrine or whatever would get a small drip of customers.

I don't use TTC on my 2nd account and do just fine. I also am not in a trade guild on that account. I am in a social guild that gets a trader maybe once every two months. I started that account to play a character though the content just like my first character when the game started. I have the gold for everything I need and a lot of what I want.

My first account I am trying to get all the motifs. I don't use TTC for that though. When I use a wayshrine I make it a point to visit the nearby trader if there is one. When I go to a thieves den I visit that trader. Sometimes I find a motif I am looking for. I have in my head what I want to pay. I'm sure sometimes I pay more than I might have if I had used TTC but that is fine. I'm happy with getting the motif and the seller is happy getting the gold.

What would hurt those traders whether we had TTC or not is a central location where you have access to fifty traders.

Amottica · July 2021

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

Why does this game rely on so many outside sources? Want to talk to randoms in voice chat? Well you better go set up a discord and share that code and wait for everyone to join.

I have not played a decent game with VOIP and when I have played a game with VOIP I spent much of the time muting players to end hearing their constant and rambling of nonsense. Even in that game, the guild used TS instead of the in-game VOIP.

imno007b14_ESO · July 2021

It's surprising to me that some people claim to actually enjoy spending so much time going from zone to zone and vendor to vendor looking for good prices, all the while knowing that there's a very good chance they'll end up paying much more than they have to - because, as much as they say they enjoy the hunt, they will almost never visit even a third of the vendors on their buying quests. Because they don't enjoy it THAT much! But heh, to each his own. I seriously doubt it makes a difference what any of us think about it, because it's highly unlikely it will ever change.

kargen27 · July 2021

imno007b14_ESO wrote: »

It's surprising to me that some people claim to actually enjoy spending so much time going from zone to zone and vendor to vendor looking for good prices, all the while knowing that there's a very good chance they'll end up paying much more than they have to - because, as much as they say they enjoy the hunt, they will almost never visit even a third of the vendors on their buying quests. Because they don't enjoy it THAT much! But heh, to each his own. I seriously doubt it makes a difference what any of us think about it, because it's highly unlikely it will ever change.

There are players that consider trading to be end game. They do spend their time going from trader to trader looking for items to flip. For the most part they don't use TTC because a bargain is often gone before it gets posted.

bzz86 · July 2021

imno007b14_ESO wrote: »

It's surprising to me that some people claim to actually enjoy spending so much time going from zone to zone and vendor to vendor looking for good prices, all the while knowing that there's a very good chance they'll end up paying much more than they have to - because, as much as they say they enjoy the hunt, they will almost never visit even a third of the vendors on their buying quests. Because they don't enjoy it THAT much! But heh, to each his own. I seriously doubt it makes a difference what any of us think about it, because it's highly unlikely it will ever change.

Dont assume that. Some people are at end game, do 1 or 2 hardcore trials a week and spend the rest of the time playing the 'buy and sell' game ;-) I have guildies like that.

Hotdog_23 · July 2021

The debate about auction house comes up a at least monthly here on the forums. The long and short of it is PC players like it for the most part due to add-ons making it a lot easier and time savings compared to console where many players hate it due to its time-consuming nature.

The question for console players is do I play the game today [questing, dungeon, trials, farming or fishing etc.] or do I play the game where I visit the over 200 traders in game and growing with each land expansion in game. Written down where and at what price something is an and hope I don’t run out of my time to play that day and go back to purchase said items or just remember it for future reference.

A central listing house with location and prices with history would be a great help for the console players. Sure, finding something at a great price is nice but shopping is not something I enjoy in real life and I am sure as “blank” not doing it in game when ZOS makes it so difficult for base game players.

Stay safe and enjoy the journey 😊

PS, ZOS stop the micromanagement of the green tree 🥺