Really bad right now, similar to Orgnum's Scales and Troll King.

If you want tanky, try Pariah. If you want the regen, have a look at Hist Whisperer. You need to light attack weave for that to work, though.

Still worth it imo. It has always been sustain set and right now, I don't think there is a set that provide better sustain than eteranl vigor.

Biro123 wrote: »

I like it at the mo on no-cp stamden. I've tried some other options, but each time struggle with sustain either on mag or stam (I'm using quite a few mag abilities). Having a ton of heals + pots helps keep health in the top half though.

I do keep looking for alternatives though.. Especially for a defensive set without losing the sustain.

You still use artic blast on Stamden this patch? Its not very good....

Regardless, if you need the magicka, you better just change the netch to magcika and boost your stamina sustain via food/mundus/jewelry glyph etc..

Go for a pure defensive set. Eternal Vigor is a bad set.

Eternal vigor is a solid set. Good players that I know I still running it for the resource sustain. The health recovery is irrelevant since the meta nowadays is to run 30k hp. It’s the stamina and magicka recovery that you want out of the set. I can always tell when I’m fighting someone who is below average when they’re not keeping up with vigor and hots. If you gotta frontbar vigor then front bar it lol, don’t use it when your hp is about to enter execute mode.

If are the type that doesn’t like taking damage to your hp, no matter how small it is, I suggest to use Lingering Health pots. They’re very expensive but Lingering Health pots are what I consider supplemental power creep. If only the ingredients were cheap....

ThePianist wrote: »

The health recovery is irrelevant since the meta nowadays is to run 30k hp.

What do you mean? I would say all HP Regen is irrelevant right now compared to Healing or Mitigation buffs, but, what's Max HP got to do with it?

Personally I must add a huge no: i used Vigor quite a bit but no longer....no point

geonsocal wrote: »

well, at least we can all come to a consensus on eternal vigor

This IS the eso forums. :-P

jaws343 wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Still worth it imo. It has always been sustain set and right now, I don't think there is a set that provide better sustain than eteranl vigor.

Amber Plasm is better since you don't lose your resource recoveries at low health for a now useless health recovery stat.

Eternal vigor stam and mag recoveries are still working under 50%, health recovery is only added then.

universal_wrath wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Still worth it imo. It has always been sustain set and right now, I don't think there is a set that provide better sustain than eteranl vigor.

Amber Plasm is better since you don't lose your resource recoveries at low health for a now useless health recovery stat.

Eternal vigor stam and mag recoveries are still working under 50%, health recovery is only added then.

Wait, really?


Adds 337 Stamina and Magicka Recovery while your Health is above 50%.
Adds 1011 Health Recovery while your Health is 50% or less.

If I read the description I cannot see why the stam+mag regen would be active while below 50% health.
It would make the set very good though so I hope you're right.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

It is still one of the most stat dense sets in the game.

True, but "stat dense" does not necessary means it is good.

Essence Thief is also very "stat dense" set, with a potential to have 100% uptime, and yet it is not used that often. Mostly for solo PvE, but is not a "meta" set.
Same thing with Gaze of Sithis. It is also a "stat dense" set, but there are way better sets & mythics to use. It is "ok-ish" I guess for some builds, but I don't think it is meta.

Tbh. During "no-proc" tests I have discovered a very good build for myself that utilized health recovery (but not to some absurd level). This build basically allowed me to have slightly more "reaction time", so I could play actively. During lag & health bar de-syncs you often don't even have a split second to react as you go from 30K health to 0 health in a millisecond. I was looking forward to use Eternal Vigor, but then health recovery 50% nerf happened....

Btw. Am I the only one who thinks it is weird that they changed Gaze of Sithis by adding 1K health recovery ? I mean they specifically mentioned in the Patch Notes developer comment that it is there to compensate for the health recovery nerf...

So what about other sets that give health recovery ? ? ?

I totally agree that stat dense set does not always lead to a set being good. But for the right build I can be very strong or sometimes OP.

I've got a whole spreadsheet I use that breaks down stat density to help me with my builds. Not every stat in the game is as important to certain builds, or worth its weight in other ways.

But if we look at Eternal Vigor, it gives the equivalent of 164% base set bonus/item equipped while over 50% health. You can argue that health regen is no longer worth its weight so I cut its value in half...

While a set Hulking drauger grants 107%, and Shacklebreaker grants 135%. You also bring up a great point about other stat dense sets like sithis which bolster 700%+ depending on how you rate HR right now. On the right builds sithis can work really great, but on others the stat bonuses aren't worth it.

If what you are looking at for your build is magicka and Stamina Recovery, and you have the ability to easily recover from burst or can keep your health above 50% the vast majority of your fights EV is still a great pick. Builds like mag sorc who often shield at low health now don't have as much use for a set like EV because they spend more of their time at low health.

I said before that Eternal Vigor was overtuned and suggested that it should lose the line of health on it. Now that health recovery has been nerfed, the set took too big of a hit, in my opinion.

No. Eternal Vigor is now a dead set and that's what ZOS wanted.