Eternal Vigor, still worth it?

Marcus_Aurelius

I really liked this set but now I'm wondering if it still good.

They removed the 1k line of health and nerfed health regen so now it sems to me that:
-Adds 1011 Health Recovery while your Health is 50% or less
is just vey bad, I would prefer to have also stam/mag regen at low health so I could cast my healing skils more when needed.

Are you still using it or deconned?

Lughlongarm

No reason to use this set ATM.

vesselwiththepestle

Really bad right now, similar to Orgnum's Scales and Troll King.

If you want tanky, try Pariah. If you want the regen, have a look at Hist Whisperer. You need to light attack weave for that to work, though.

Biro123

I like it at the mo on no-cp stamden. I've tried some other options, but each time struggle with sustain either on mag or stam (I'm using quite a few mag abilities). Having a ton of heals + pots helps keep health in the top half though.

I do keep looking for alternatives though.. Especially for a defensive set without losing the sustain.

universal_wrath

Still worth it imo. It has always been sustain set and right now, I don't think there is a set that provide better sustain than eteranl vigor.

jaws343

universal_wrath wrote: »

Still worth it imo. It has always been sustain set and right now, I don't think there is a set that provide better sustain than eteranl vigor.

Amber Plasm is better since you don't lose your resource recoveries at low health for a now useless health recovery stat.

Lughlongarm

Biro123 wrote: »

I like it at the mo on no-cp stamden. I've tried some other options, but each time struggle with sustain either on mag or stam (I'm using quite a few mag abilities). Having a ton of heals + pots helps keep health in the top half though.

I do keep looking for alternatives though.. Especially for a defensive set without losing the sustain.

You still use artic blast on Stamden this patch? Its not very good....

Regardless, if you need the magicka, you better just change the netch to magcika and boost your stamina sustain via food/mundus/jewelry glyph etc..

Go for a pure defensive set. Eternal Vigor is a bad set.

Biro123

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

I like it at the mo on no-cp stamden. I've tried some other options, but each time struggle with sustain either on mag or stam (I'm using quite a few mag abilities). Having a ton of heals + pots helps keep health in the top half though.

I do keep looking for alternatives though.. Especially for a defensive set without losing the sustain.

You still use artic blast on Stamden this patch? Its not very good....

Regardless, if you need the magicka, you better just change the netch to magcika and boost your stamina sustain via food/mundus/jewelry glyph etc..

Go for a pure defensive set. Eternal Vigor is a bad set.

Been using vines and arctic blast.. (and vigor ofc.) I have pretty decent health, so arctic blast is still edging the alternatives for me. Although I see your point, I could switch it for the stam heal (forgot its name) and would need less mag recovery..

ThePianist

Eternal vigor is a solid set. Good players that I know I still running it for the resource sustain. The health recovery is irrelevant since the meta nowadays is to run 30k hp. It’s the stamina and magicka recovery that you want out of the set. I can always tell when I’m fighting someone who is below average when they’re not keeping up with vigor and hots. If you gotta frontbar vigor then front bar it lol, don’t use it when your hp is about to enter execute mode.

If are the type that doesn’t like taking damage to your hp, no matter how small it is, I suggest to use Lingering Health pots. They’re very expensive but Lingering Health pots are what I consider supplemental power creep. If only the ingredients were cheap....

Arbiter7070

This set is no longer worth running. With the nerf to health recovery and the line of health from the set gone, there are just too many better options out there. You're better off running some sort of recovery food or just being able to sustain well with heavy attacks.

Urzigurumash

ThePianist wrote: »

The health recovery is irrelevant since the meta nowadays is to run 30k hp.

What do you mean? I would say all HP Regen is irrelevant right now compared to Healing or Mitigation buffs, but, what's Max HP got to do with it?

Chrlynsch

It is still one of the most stat dense sets in the game.

Rhaegar75

Personally I must add a huge no: i used Vigor quite a bit but no longer....no point

geonsocal

well, at least we can all come to a consensus on eternal vigor

Biro123

geonsocal wrote: »

well, at least we can all come to a consensus on eternal vigor

This IS the eso forums. :-P

Alucardo

I would say it's not worth it with the health regen axe. If you're after a sustain set Willows Path is probably better lol. Or Torc of Tonal Constancy

universal_wrath

jaws343 wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Still worth it imo. It has always been sustain set and right now, I don't think there is a set that provide better sustain than eteranl vigor.

Amber Plasm is better since you don't lose your resource recoveries at low health for a now useless health recovery stat.

Eternal vigor stam and mag recoveries are still working under 50%, health recovery is only added then.

Tommy_The_Gun

Chrlynsch wrote: »

It is still one of the most stat dense sets in the game.

True, but "stat dense" does not necessary means it is good.

Essence Thief is also very "stat dense" set, with a potential to have 100% uptime, and yet it is not used that often. Mostly for solo PvE, but is not a "meta" set.
Same thing with Gaze of Sithis. It is also a "stat dense" set, but there are way better sets & mythics to use. It is "ok-ish" I guess for some builds, but I don't think it is meta.

Tbh. During "no-proc" tests I have discovered a very good build for myself that utilized health recovery (but not to some absurd level). This build basically allowed me to have slightly more "reaction time", so I could play actively. During lag & health bar de-syncs you often don't even have a split second to react as you go from 30K health to 0 health in a millisecond. I was looking forward to use Eternal Vigor, but then health recovery 50% nerf happened....

Btw. Am I the only one who thinks it is weird that they changed Gaze of Sithis by adding 1K health recovery ? I mean they specifically mentioned in the Patch Notes developer comment that it is there to compensate for the health recovery nerf...

So what about other sets that give health recovery ? ? ?

Septimus_Magna

universal_wrath wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Still worth it imo. It has always been sustain set and right now, I don't think there is a set that provide better sustain than eteranl vigor.

Amber Plasm is better since you don't lose your resource recoveries at low health for a now useless health recovery stat.

Eternal vigor stam and mag recoveries are still working under 50%, health recovery is only added then.

Wait, really?


Adds 337 Stamina and Magicka Recovery while your Health is above 50%.
Adds 1011 Health Recovery while your Health is 50% or less.

If I read the description I cannot see why the stam+mag regen would be active while below 50% health.
It would make the set very good though so I hope you're right.

gariondavey

Alucardo wrote: »

I would say it's not worth it with the health regen axe. If you're after a sustain set Willows Path is probably better lol. Or Torc of Tonal Constancy

They nerfed willow path too

Alucardo

gariondavey wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I would say it's not worth it with the health regen axe. If you're after a sustain set Willows Path is probably better lol. Or Torc of Tonal Constancy

They nerfed willow path too

Whatttt? I didn't even realise people were using it.
Edit: oh you mean the health regen? Yeah, Torc is probably the way to go tbh.

YandereGirlfriend

Alucardo wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I would say it's not worth it with the health regen axe. If you're after a sustain set Willows Path is probably better lol. Or Torc of Tonal Constancy

They nerfed willow path too

Whatttt? I didn't even realise people were using it.
Edit: oh you mean the health regen? Yeah, Torc is probably the way to go tbh.

Not just Health Regeneration - they also straight up nerfed the % bonuses that the set provided.

And then they introduced another set in this expansion that basically fills the same role but now does it better (aka going "Full Iceheart" on the set).

Coincidence... I think not.

Chrlynsch

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

It is still one of the most stat dense sets in the game.

True, but "stat dense" does not necessary means it is good.

Essence Thief is also very "stat dense" set, with a potential to have 100% uptime, and yet it is not used that often. Mostly for solo PvE, but is not a "meta" set.
Same thing with Gaze of Sithis. It is also a "stat dense" set, but there are way better sets & mythics to use. It is "ok-ish" I guess for some builds, but I don't think it is meta.

Tbh. During "no-proc" tests I have discovered a very good build for myself that utilized health recovery (but not to some absurd level). This build basically allowed me to have slightly more "reaction time", so I could play actively. During lag & health bar de-syncs you often don't even have a split second to react as you go from 30K health to 0 health in a millisecond. I was looking forward to use Eternal Vigor, but then health recovery 50% nerf happened....

Btw. Am I the only one who thinks it is weird that they changed Gaze of Sithis by adding 1K health recovery ? I mean they specifically mentioned in the Patch Notes developer comment that it is there to compensate for the health recovery nerf...

So what about other sets that give health recovery ? ? ?

I totally agree that stat dense set does not always lead to a set being good. But for the right build I can be very strong or sometimes OP.

I've got a whole spreadsheet I use that breaks down stat density to help me with my builds. Not every stat in the game is as important to certain builds, or worth its weight in other ways.

But if we look at Eternal Vigor, it gives the equivalent of 164% base set bonus/item equipped while over 50% health. You can argue that health regen is no longer worth its weight so I cut its value in half...

While a set Hulking drauger grants 107%, and Shacklebreaker grants 135%. You also bring up a great point about other stat dense sets like sithis which bolster 700%+ depending on how you rate HR right now. On the right builds sithis can work really great, but on others the stat bonuses aren't worth it.

If what you are looking at for your build is magicka and Stamina Recovery, and you have the ability to easily recover from burst or can keep your health above 50% the vast majority of your fights EV is still a great pick. Builds like mag sorc who often shield at low health now don't have as much use for a set like EV because they spend more of their time at low health.

Marcus_Aurelius

universal_wrath wrote: »

Eternal vigor stam and mag recoveries are still working under 50%, health recovery is only added then.

Nope, tried it and when you go under 50% health the stam and mag recovery from last line stop working.
I'll bank it for now.

StarOfElyon

I said before that Eternal Vigor was overtuned and suggested that it should lose the line of health on it. Now that health recovery has been nerfed, the set took too big of a hit, in my opinion.

taugrim

I was a long-time fan of Eternal Vigor — the Stamina/Magicka sustain was outstanding.

With that said, in Blackwood I've been trying different sets, and for sustain my preference is now Engine Guardian. EG also provides avoidance for single-target attacks that land on the summoned guardian instead of you.

SkaraMinoc

No. Eternal Vigor is now a dead set and that's what ZOS wanted.

milllaurie

Shacklebreaker is also a very stat - dense set. If you separate it to different "1pc lines" you get roughly 7 useful lines of stats (1 line of spell damage or weapon damage is usually not useful). But when min-maxing hulking draugr or crafty alfiq are much better sets even though they give 5.5 lines of stats.

Alucardo

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I would say it's not worth it with the health regen axe. If you're after a sustain set Willows Path is probably better lol. Or Torc of Tonal Constancy

They nerfed willow path too

Whatttt? I didn't even realise people were using it.
Edit: oh you mean the health regen? Yeah, Torc is probably the way to go tbh.

Not just Health Regeneration - they also straight up nerfed the % bonuses that the set provided.

And then they introduced another set in this expansion that basically fills the same role but now does it better (aka going "Full Iceheart" on the set).

Coincidence... I think not.

I actually had no idea. Hadn't used the set in years (though it was basically BiS pre-orsinium < 50 cyrodiil). Back then it was 15%, then the last I saw it was 18% so I thought it got buffed.
Pretty sad news if it took a nerf tbh. Definitely didn't deserve it.