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Serious Question to PvE Players
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't know how and a lot of players are really toxic towards people who don't. They don't just choose not to invite you to groups, which I'm okay with. They do things like camp PvE zones to prevent you from turning in quests, teabag you, call you out in zone chat (lol didn't you die super quick?!?!?l) etc. To me there's a massive difference between not wanting to run with/help me and actively trying to stop me from progressing.
In Cyrodiil, there's too much running around doing nothing. Map is huge.
I don't like that I lose progress I have made in Imp city with tel-var. PvEvP is much more interesting to me than pure pvp but the way zos implemented it means I have no reason to go there. I kinda like objective based pvp because there's more ways to contribute outside of just being the best at killing other players. But the way it's implemented, it's not fun.
On top of that I don't have a good reaction time and never will for health reasons, so I know there's a large wall that I'll hit.
I also find pvp stressful. Like my heart beats just a little faster when I'm doing it. So I can't do it for long stretches.
Overall if it weren't for 50% telvar loss, I'd probably spend way more time in IMP city. It's the perfect type of pvp for me. It's less stressful than BGs and Cyrodiil. There are more ways to contribute to a successful group than just killing people. But I'd still get the thrill of trying to battle someone for control of a territory. Unfortunately the penalty for losing is simply so steep that it's not worth investing my time into.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 25, 2021 5:52PM5 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Negativity is abundant no matter which side of the PvE/ PvP toast your butter lands on. The way I see it, It's just a matter of accepting which is the lesser of two evils. Or embracing the evil.
"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
kmontywrwb17_ESO✭✭✭Negativity is abundant no matter which side of the PvE/ PvP toast your butter lands on. The way I see it, It's just a matter of accepting which is the lesser of two evils. Or embracing the evil.
False equivalence. There is always more toxicity in PvP, by virtue of its more personally competitive nature.5 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »Negativity is abundant no matter which side of the PvE/ PvP toast your butter lands on. The way I see it, It's just a matter of accepting which is the lesser of two evils. Or embracing the evil.
False equivalence. There is always more toxicity in PvP, by virtue of its more personally competitive nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."6 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »Negativity is abundant no matter which side of the PvE/ PvP toast your butter lands on. The way I see it, It's just a matter of accepting which is the lesser of two evils. Or embracing the evil.
False equivalence. There is always more toxicity in PvP, by virtue of its more personally competitive nature.
Completely disagree.
Try posting PvE zone chats, oh that is right it's content would be against. TOS.
Edited by TequilaFire on June 26, 2021 2:09PM3 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »
NeverOutLaw_Nynx wrote: »Don’t you get tired of having to redo your gear for the changing meta?
I just developed a new build.
So do pve players. What is the point of this thread really?
Just been seeing a lot of bashing on PvP due to the upcoming event. Really just wondering what’s with all the negativity?
Because the enemy isn't a Mob, it's another person. A person that is very likely to focus you, and bag you, or even hate whisper you all for being a "PvE Carebear", easy AP. Most players don't want to put up with that. Every single time I go into Cyro for a session, I'm bagged at least once.
Every. Single. Time.
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coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »
NeverOutLaw_Nynx wrote: »Don’t you get tired of having to redo your gear for the changing meta? I just developed a new build.
So do pve players. What is the point of this thread really?
Just been seeing a lot of bashing on PvP due to the upcoming event. Really just wondering what’s with all the negativity?
Because the enemy isn't a Mob, it's another person. A person that is very likely to focus you, and bag you, or even hate whisper you all for being a "PvE Carebear", easy AP. Most players don't want to put up with that. Every single time I go into Cyro for a session, I'm bagged at least once.
Every. Single. Time.
For four years.
And just the general mentality behind how most PVPers don't want a fair fight, they want easy kills and bragging rights for kicking puppies.Hoping for more playable races12 -
M_Volsung✭✭✭✭✭I've been in Cyro exactly twice on skyshard runs, only need to do one more and I'll never be going back...
That being said, I didn't die on either of those runs, mainly because we hit them when things were quite dead server-wise and all we did was blast through everything using rapids while avoiding mobs.
The best part was that one of the few people I tend to group with was in the next room and whenever we stormed a gate we'd both be signing (badly) Blaze of Glory at the top of our lungs."In the Deep Halls, Far from Men;
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Snowy_Wyndra_Karn✭✭✭✭✭I don’t really have anything against PVP.
I enjoy the adrenaline rush which is missing in PVE.
What I dislike is the toxicity of the PVP community.
If I lose, I lose and I own up to that. I don’t need someone t-bagging me because of it.
This is why I stick to PVE.4 -
Castagere✭✭✭✭✭
✭The funny thing is I used to love PVP in shooter games but have always hated it in MMOs.0 -
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✭Dropstitch wrote: »Ok, I'll will take this thread in good faith and answer: -
1) I don't dislike PvP but I generally dislike the mechanics of MMORPG PvP. I love an arena shooter. I dislike zergs, I dislike gear/ xp advantages, I dislike ganking, and camping.
2) I specifically dislike the lag and sluggishness of a lot of the combat controls in ESO, which make PvP unsatisfying.
3) I dislike Cyrodil. I think the zone should be half the size with the same number of objectives, and then it would be less of a running simulator and more of an actual pvp zone.
4) I dislike that there is no simple mechanism to switch between a PvE/ PvP build in ESO, meaning you need a separate PvP character, or to completely rebuild your character every time you switch between the two.
Hopefully that provides some explanation.
I agree 100% with this.1 -
Lixiviant✭✭✭✭✭Because the NPCs, WBs, and assorted wildlife in PVE don't yell obscenities at you over and over again. Especially when you kill someone in PVP within 15 seconds.4 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »RPGplayer13579 wrote: »I like a good story. With a beginning and and ending of some sort. There is no end goal. No scene where you see your alliance leader at least briefly sit on the ruby throne. Its just endless cycles of violence, and that gets boring. Very repetitive. Over and over again the same thing. Oh look I got killed again, for the 500th time, time for a long horse ride. Live. Die. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat....
What They Said ^
There is no story, no endgame goal, no real purpose, it is just the same thing over and over again and for someone who does not care about becoming Emperor, consider the following...
Your not the real Emperor, during this time period you need to be a Dragonborn to be the rightful Emperor by divine right, what the alliances are doing is taking the keeps around the Imperial City and declaring one of themselves the ruler despite not having the authority to do that, it is the Elder Council which names the Emperor, what the players are doing is no different to a kid climbing a box fort and claiming themselves as the King of the Fort but doing that does not make them an actual King, it is pretty much playing make believe.
My mind is not simple enough to stimulated by such repetitive content.
you mean it doesnt have a repetitive all the same story? thank god. you make your purpose there.
and saying "simple minded" lol. cant handle the real player input? aww too bad.
The entire story pretext of Cyrodiil is a farce. Neither the Emperor hogwash nor the actual gameplay makes sense from a story POV. If you want story, Cyrodiil is the wrong place to get it. And while he may have been needlessly snarky I can absolutely see how people could find Cyrodiil repetitive and boring - it happens to me too if I do too much of it, because it very much is largely the same day in, day out.
Not being able to 'handle real player input' doesn't come into it.
they can see it as boring, i have no problem with that.
but with his logic pve would be even more boring since its scripted and you already beat it with old items, why would anyone grind for another item that doesnt change the playstyle. Like using hunding/briar then grinding for say...relequens. just using the same logic here.1 -
Lugaldu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I hate PvP. Daily life is already a competition on different levels, when I start my game, I want to switch off and relax, come to rest. PvP doesn't give me an adrenaline rush or makes me feel excited or something like that, it just upsets me. As if I'm stuck in a traffic jam on the way home and have to be annoyed with other drivers.8 -
SantieClaws✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This one would like to thank the three bananas this morning who were completing the same delve as one of my apprentices.
We all managed to mutually ignore each other and survive despite being after the same bosses - Nommie, my Ohmes, let them go ahead at a safe distance so we did not get caught by each others AOE.
The same goes for the little banana in the temple who was shooting her from behind while she grabbed the skyshard. You chose to run and I did not pursue you and it was the best thing for all of us.
See it doesn't always have to be so much aggro. If someone is just wandering about, not obviously attacking a keep, not moving as part of an unholy zerg, just looking for skyshards and completing delves - then let them be. Then we all get what we want.
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »RPGplayer13579 wrote: »I like a good story. With a beginning and and ending of some sort. There is no end goal. No scene where you see your alliance leader at least briefly sit on the ruby throne. Its just endless cycles of violence, and that gets boring. Very repetitive. Over and over again the same thing. Oh look I got killed again, for the 500th time, time for a long horse ride. Live. Die. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat....
What They Said ^
There is no story, no endgame goal, no real purpose, it is just the same thing over and over again and for someone who does not care about becoming Emperor, consider the following...
Your not the real Emperor, during this time period you need to be a Dragonborn to be the rightful Emperor by divine right, what the alliances are doing is taking the keeps around the Imperial City and declaring one of themselves the ruler despite not having the authority to do that, it is the Elder Council which names the Emperor, what the players are doing is no different to a kid climbing a box fort and claiming themselves as the King of the Fort but doing that does not make them an actual King, it is pretty much playing make believe.
My mind is not simple enough to stimulated by such repetitive content.
you mean it doesnt have a repetitive all the same story? thank god. you make your purpose there.
and saying "simple minded" lol. cant handle the real player input? aww too bad.
The entire story pretext of Cyrodiil is a farce. Neither the Emperor hogwash nor the actual gameplay makes sense from a story POV. If you want story, Cyrodiil is the wrong place to get it. And while he may have been needlessly snarky I can absolutely see how people could find Cyrodiil repetitive and boring - it happens to me too if I do too much of it, because it very much is largely the same day in, day out.
Not being able to 'handle real player input' doesn't come into it.
they can see it as boring, i have no problem with that.
but with his logic pve would be even more boring since its scripted and you already beat it with old items, why would anyone grind for another item that doesnt change the playstyle. Like using hunding/briar then grinding for say...relequens. just using the same logic here.
Because PvE has enough sameness that it starts to hit that nice relaxing lull that can come from repetitive tasks. And PvP is just varied enough that it largely doesn't hit that lull, for lack of a better term.
For people who enjoy pvp, this is what makes it feels so much more exciting and varied. The feel of "every fight is a bit different." Whereas for people who don't, this is what highlights and makes more severe the dullness of the task.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 27, 2021 4:49PM0 -
Jazraena✭✭✭✭✭
✭they can see it as boring, i have no problem with that.
but with his logic pve would be even more boring since its scripted and you already beat it with old items, why would anyone grind for another item that doesnt change the playstyle. Like using hunding/briar then grinding for say...relequens. just using the same logic here.
Don't you? Why then do you feel the need to disparage PvE players in general?
If you find PvE boring, good for you! Personally, I find it a weird statement given you obviously have a very specific subset of PvE in mind, but even then - to use 'the same logic', as you say - "Boring is right up your alley if you like PvE" is on the same level as if I would be saying "People that play PvP day in day out must be simpletons given they enjoy the fighting over the same minor variants of The Cyrodiil Keep over and over". And the bit about 'real player input' is even worse.
It's rude, insulting, and not based in reality, and does nothing but fan already far too much bad blood between different parts of the playerbase - and not just with the person you have directed it at here.8 -
alberichtano✭✭✭✭✭
✭spartaxoxo wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »RPGplayer13579 wrote: »I like a good story. With a beginning and and ending of some sort. There is no end goal. No scene where you see your alliance leader at least briefly sit on the ruby throne. Its just endless cycles of violence, and that gets boring. Very repetitive. Over and over again the same thing. Oh look I got killed again, for the 500th time, time for a long horse ride. Live. Die. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat....
What They Said ^
There is no story, no endgame goal, no real purpose, it is just the same thing over and over again and for someone who does not care about becoming Emperor, consider the following...
Your not the real Emperor, during this time period you need to be a Dragonborn to be the rightful Emperor by divine right, what the alliances are doing is taking the keeps around the Imperial City and declaring one of themselves the ruler despite not having the authority to do that, it is the Elder Council which names the Emperor, what the players are doing is no different to a kid climbing a box fort and claiming themselves as the King of the Fort but doing that does not make them an actual King, it is pretty much playing make believe.
My mind is not simple enough to stimulated by such repetitive content.
you mean it doesnt have a repetitive all the same story? thank god. you make your purpose there.
and saying "simple minded" lol. cant handle the real player input? aww too bad.
The entire story pretext of Cyrodiil is a farce. Neither the Emperor hogwash nor the actual gameplay makes sense from a story POV. If you want story, Cyrodiil is the wrong place to get it. And while he may have been needlessly snarky I can absolutely see how people could find Cyrodiil repetitive and boring - it happens to me too if I do too much of it, because it very much is largely the same day in, day out.
Not being able to 'handle real player input' doesn't come into it.
they can see it as boring, i have no problem with that.
but with his logic pve would be even more boring since its scripted and you already beat it with old items, why would anyone grind for another item that doesnt change the playstyle. Like using hunding/briar then grinding for say...relequens. just using the same logic here.
Because PvE has enough sameness that it starts to hit that nice relaxing lull that can come from repetitive tasks. And PvP is just varied enough that it largely doesn't hit that lull, for lack of a better term.
For people who enjoy pvp, this is what makes it feels so much more exciting and varied. The feel of "every fight is a bit different." Whereas for people who don't, this is what highlights and makes more severe the dullness of the task.
Interestingly, I would argue that PvP is in no way "every battle is different", quite the contrary. So many "deja vu"-moments on a daily basis. Still enjoying it from time to time, but different, it is not.3 -
SteveCampsOut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What do you guys have against PvP? I’m not saying all but a majority of you guys despise PvP. Doesn’t spamming the same rotation at a trial boss all day get boring? With PvP it’s never a boring moment and always different outcomes. There’s so many sets players can theory craft and make there character so unique and have others wondering “Wow that was cool, what sets do you run?” But with PvE it’s mother sorrows or relequen on almost every build. I understand the satisfaction of clearing a trial and getting cool skins and loot but then what’s next? With PvP: winning a duel, 1vX , or dropping 20+ kills in a BG with a build you made by yourself is far more satisfying in my opinion, and after that you can come up with a new build and so on. There’s never a boring moment. Although at the end of the day i understand why many choose to play PvE other than PvP. Some may think the skill gap is too high for them to just start into PvP. Some may think it’s too sophisticated to develop proper burst. There’s a lot a reason why many choose PvE other than PvP, but there’s no need to hate it. The learning curve may be steep but anyone can develop skill with effort applied. Much Love to all ESO players
The answer is quite simple, really! It's the players who thrive on grief and hate and anguish that we hate. I love a good siege and warfare, but it's ruined by idiots who thrive on spreading toxicity. Just look at all the threads right now during this event about gankers and quest campers. There's your answer.@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ⍟
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✭Hm... I really enjoy the Midyear Mayhem, though I don't enjoy theorycrafting, and I don't even have a char built for PvP. I love sieging and defending in Cyro, and I love IC and all of its content. BGs... not so much, but at least I tried.
Then again, I wouldn't consider myself a PvEer, either. I have never taken part in a Trial, and Dungeons are something I only do during the Undaunted events, or when a friend asks me to run with them.
I enjoy crafting, housing, antiquities and story questing most - solo content, so to say.
Thinking of it, I as a 'PvO'er actually enjoy ESO's PvP content more than its hardcore PvE content... because I don't have to group for it.
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Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭SteveCampsOut wrote: »What do you guys have against PvP? I’m not saying all but a majority of you guys despise PvP. Doesn’t spamming the same rotation at a trial boss all day get boring? With PvP it’s never a boring moment and always different outcomes. There’s so many sets players can theory craft and make there character so unique and have others wondering “Wow that was cool, what sets do you run?” But with PvE it’s mother sorrows or relequen on almost every build. I understand the satisfaction of clearing a trial and getting cool skins and loot but then what’s next? With PvP: winning a duel, 1vX , or dropping 20+ kills in a BG with a build you made by yourself is far more satisfying in my opinion, and after that you can come up with a new build and so on. There’s never a boring moment. Although at the end of the day i understand why many choose to play PvE other than PvP. Some may think the skill gap is too high for them to just start into PvP. Some may think it’s too sophisticated to develop proper burst. There’s a lot a reason why many choose PvE other than PvP, but there’s no need to hate it. The learning curve may be steep but anyone can develop skill with effort applied. Much Love to all ESO players
The answer is quite simple, really! It's the players who thrive on grief and hate and anguish that we hate. I love a good siege and warfare, but it's ruined by idiots who thrive on spreading toxicity. Just look at all the threads right now during this event about gankers and quest campers. There's your answer.
And of course any threads complaining about getting new people into the pvp scene or the like are going to fall on deaf ears for those exact same reasons.
Anyone can point to all the wonderful experiences they've had, but it only takes one bad time to mess it all up.
Side note - for the most part in pve I decide where to spend my time. If I want to spend it in a dungeon that could take 45+ mins, that was my choice and I can largely affect it. Pvp someone else can completely waste your time and you have no say in it, aside from leaving the activity.4 -
drunkendx✭✭✭✭What do you guys have against PvP?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/579021/should-camping-at-quest-objectives-be-counted-as-harassment#latest
Just read comments here.
That's why PVE players hate PVP11 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Thechuckage wrote: »Pvp someone else can completely waste your time and you have no say in it, aside from leaving the activity.
That my be so if you go to a PVP zone with the intent of AVOIDING PVP to do something else.
But outside events, people go to PVP to battle players.. if you lose, you have still battled players..
I mean if you go to a chess tournament with the expectation of getting to the final and winning a prize, is it a waste of time if you don't get past the first round? Do you blame the other players for stopping you from getting that prize, or do you think 'Well, I still got to play chess!'.
It's all abut your objective for going there and this really is a fault with the EVENT - not a fault with PVP or PVP-ers.
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biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I found a difference on my level 30 alt I took to a new 7 day campaign today compared to my Overlord 1955cp alt I usually play on Greyhost.
I almost never get any kind of nasty whisper or get tbagged on my high level alt, but it happened a few times in a couple of hours on my lowbie when I killed people higher ranked (they could not see I was in all gold lv 30 gear and my cp level)
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Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What do you guys have against PvP? I’m not saying all but a majority of you guys despise PvP. Doesn’t spamming the same rotation at a trial boss all day get boring? With PvP it’s never a boring moment and always different outcomes. There’s so many sets players can theory craft and make there character so unique and have others wondering “Wow that was cool, what sets do you run?” But with PvE it’s mother sorrows or relequen on almost every build. I understand the satisfaction of clearing a trial and getting cool skins and loot but then what’s next? With PvP: winning a duel, 1vX , or dropping 20+ kills in a BG with a build you made by yourself is far more satisfying in my opinion, and after that you can come up with a new build and so on. There’s never a boring moment. Although at the end of the day i understand why many choose to play PvE other than PvP. Some may think the skill gap is too high for them to just start into PvP. Some may think it’s too sophisticated to develop proper burst. There’s a lot a reason why many choose PvE other than PvP, but there’s no need to hate it. The learning curve may be steep but anyone can develop skill with effort applied. Much Love to all ESO players
Why I dislike PvP:
I don't have the reflexes needed to engage in PvP anymore
I am not a competitive person at all
I don't like to be forced into specific builds to be successful (this is also the reason I have no interest in endgame PvE)
I don't like the toxic behavior of some PvPers (I've met plenty of non-toxic PvPers as well in my time, but the toxic ones ruin it every time)
Note that I don't hate PvP. I just don't enjoy it and hence I don't engage in it.1 -
ZaddiucsSoul ShrivenI don't hate PvPers or PvP content for the most part, I just hate that we're forced to play together at points which creates a toxic mix of players who like doing different things with their own opinions that will often be contradictory to how the other feels.
This has probably been said before but as a completionist I must be able to gather all the Skyshards, Lore books, PoI's etc.
But I am FORCED to go into PvP zones if I want to do this because the developers made it that way, if there was an option to have a PvE version of the PvP zones I think you would find a lot of the issues between PvP and PvE players would vanish.
It's not that we hate you personally, we just hate the fact we spent 20 minutes riding across the zone to sneak into the delve to complete the boss, maybe grab a lore book and get the Skyshard only to be ganked half way through by a PvP built player who was just "passing by".Just another Twitch scrub... Grinding in more ways than one!4 -
Ryath_Waylander✭✭✭✭✭
✭What do you guys have against PvP? I’m not saying all but a majority of you guys despise PvP.
Serious answer from a PvE player. I don't agree that a majority of PvE players "despise" PvP. It's more like a vocal PvE component on the forums. I think there are also many pve players that just aren't interested in it. I actually enjoy it but it is much more mentally tiring for me, so I do it in small doses. In PvE, practice makes perfect in PvP, you're up against other people and humans are sneaky. I find, most of the times, hate whispers, "despising" and salty posts are tied up in fragile ego's and you get those in PvE and PvP.3 -
kmontywrwb17_ESO✭✭✭kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »Negativity is abundant no matter which side of the PvE/ PvP toast your butter lands on. The way I see it, It's just a matter of accepting which is the lesser of two evils. Or embracing the evil.
False equivalence. There is always more toxicity in PvP, by virtue of its more personally competitive nature.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias
That doesn't mean what you think it means.0 -
gwmayar✭✭✭As a former PVP player and now PVE, I can say that there is no hostility between PVE and PVP players, everyone is doing their own thing. And quite often it happens that PVE players become PVP and vice versa.
Let's say, if you take my example, I'm just tired of PVP in this game and I'm not interested in PVP content.
PVP is currently in a terrible state (although it has always been bad ...), lack of balance, huge performance problems and other problems. Which they cannot fix and are unlikely to ever fix.
Because of this, for me, PVP in this game simply lost all meaning. So I just switched to PVE and enjoy the game.1
you Santie Claws! 