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Endeavors are fine
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Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People seem to forget you can just buy crates with gold if you don’t want to spend money or save up endeavors. I’m not actually even sure why they added endeavors when you’re already able to get crown store items by trading in game currency.2 -
AusarViled✭✭✭No no there not. End is just virtue signaling. Here is why… [take note we not seen weekly ones as of post]
(1): daily your capped to 60 end, even if we give Zos the benefit of the doubt and say weeklies will be an additional 100 [highly doubt], your looking at at a max 520 end a week.
If you want a 18K mount your looking at 33 weeks of dailies. So?? Let me chew it up for you.
(2) casuals stick with a game for roughly 2-4 months, that is at most 16 weeks. Even if a casual is patient, I doubt most adults would be willing to wait that long. Time is money, so the result is casuals still buy Crates to skip the grind.
The current fans, won’t be buying crowns anyway as they have millions of gold, so we exchange crowns for gold, which means people still buy crown crates. None of us will also want to wait for endev.
!!! As such, no one actually uses endev. Zos are putting a smile, but full knowingly it won’t cost them anything in the long run, since casuals are gonna be Lon gone before they use the free currency, and current players won’t either as they have gold.
(3): the result is what is essential a PR stunt for the game. Don’t be fooled, you as consumers should be better aware. Demand what is fair to you, and demand more of it. Many of you guys pay more then enough to demand more free stuff.
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »ESO and Warframe are one of the few games that is community friendly.
Umm RE: Endeavors -- you do understand ESO is being community friendly only to comply with EU laws concerning gambling and because Microsoft is holding gun to Bethesda's head.
Not my notion of community friendly, which ZOS is decidedly not.
Go play Madden and NBA 2K then. Last I checked before they joined Microsoft, ESO didnt have give us the ability to gift crowns. You do realize that you can now get anything INCLUDING DLCS for free as long as you have enough gold to buy crowns from someone. Again only a few games like Warframe and ESO offer this, every other game will NEVER give you an option like this. ESO Plus lets you have access to all of their dlcs including crowns which many other game companies just take a portion from the base game to sell to you later at a price close to the base game price lol. Nowadays companies dont even bother to finish their game ( *cough* *cough* CYBERPUNK *cough* ) as long as they get their money and its out before the Financial Quarter.
actualy a LOT of games give you an option to exchange in game currency for cash shop currency in some way or form. most of them though not all of them are free to play. that btw also includes mobile games.
why? because its profitable!. you seem to be missing one key component in your description of crown trading. SOMEONE bought crowns first before they could trade them for gold. someone STILL paid the company. and by creating this exchange, they are now selling MORE crowns, because people selling crowns for gold wouldn't not have been buying that many crowns otherwise. and people who are paying gold for crowns feed the demand, and are often people who otherwise wouldn't have bought crowns, or crown store items either.
the main difference is that most other games? make this type of trading MUCH safer and more secure. they usualy have it facilitated through dedicated in game means.dirty worthless casual.
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People seem to forget you can just buy crates with gold if you don’t want to spend money or save up endeavors. I’m not actually even sure why they added endeavors when you’re already able to get crown store items by trading in game currency.
to make it look like you can earn rewards in game. is it to placate Microsoft or new EU loot box rules? take your pick. given how long it can take to develop new systems, its probably a little bit of both. edited to add, gold for crates trading doesn't qualify for 2 reasons
1. its not a controlled exchange. too much room for scamming. yes players have created their own way to do more secure transactions, but it was not created as a means for transaction, it was created as means to GIFT things to your friends
2. you cannot guarantee which rewards you get. with endeavors ostensibly since everything in crates is individually listed, you are earning specific rewards rather then gambling on getting what you want when buying crates.Edited by Linaleah on June 20, 2021 7:48PMdirty worthless casual.
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For me, there is no component of the roll out of this system that seems rooted in either altruism or player experience on ZOS' part.
That's not to say it is dumb. It is cleverly put together and, as far as I can see, achieves what I suspect to be its aims quite effectively.
The two primary reasons why I came to this conclusion are:
1) New currency - ZOS has introduced a new currency so everyone starts from zero. Existing stockpiles (gold, gems, crowns, AP etc.) cannot be used to get everything you want immediately. The "immediately" is important. I'll come back to it.
2) Daily/Weekly cap - you can't grind for seals to buy everything available.There is no direct link between time spent on endeavours and reward.
As others have said, I think it is here both to lawyer their way around whatever lootbox regulations finally turn up in various states, and to replace daily login rewards as an engagement driver (this is where the "immediately" comes back in).
A couple of points that I keep seeing are interesting so I am sharing my thoughts on those too:- Endeavours only take five minutes doing things you would already have done. - Of course they do. They have already achieved their goal. You are playing, and being reminded of items in crown crates whenever one completes. Even more often if you are checking the endeavours menu.
- ZOS didn't have to give you anything for free - The game is B2P, chapters cost extra, subs have existed since launch. People continue to pay money for this game. In an industry where a major publisher made almost a billion dollars across its live services in 2019, and the same publisher made almost 29% of its 2020 revenue from the microtransactions in one game, let's not kid ourselves that crown crates (and thus Endeavours) exist to keep the lights on. This isn't about making enough money. This is about making all the money.
- I've seen worse monetization systems - This isn't a race to the bottom. Really. Being a few steps above the worst, does not make what is being done good. It just makes it less bad.
I mean let's not kid ourselves, the Endeavours system is a solution to a problem that ZOS intentionally created (spending money for artificial scarcity) which preserves the problem, while tempting the player to still engage with it (spend money to cut the grind) while also ensuring continuing engagement with the game as a whole and its revenue streams in particular.
In a dark, sick, way... it is a glorious work of genius.
Of all the comments I've seen regarding this new system, this one makes the most sense. Well said.0 -
FluffWit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's not perfect but I like the new system.
I don't care about the expensive mounts, skins or polymorphs. All I ever really bought with crown gems was cheaper stuff like hats, mementos and furnishings. If this system let's me pick one of those items up every month or two I'm happy.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's not perfect but I like the new system.
I don't care about the expensive mounts, skins or polymorphs. All I ever really bought with crown gems was cheaper stuff like hats, mementos and furnishings. If this system let's me pick one of those items up every month or two I'm happy.
I agree. It's a system that I'll appreciate when I have a bunch of SoE and there's something cosmetic I really want. That does not, btw, include ugly radiant apex mounts.2